2 Survivors of Christian 'Ex-Gay' Therapy Tell Their Stories

Jun 10, 2012 Full story: EDGE 25

With his eyes closed and fingers interlaced, Taylor bowed his head and started to pray.

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Brian

Lacon, IL

#1 Jun 11, 2012
EVERY peer reviewed scientific study on the subject proves that therapy is effective and most who receive it are very glad that they did!

Why do homosexual hate groups fight science?
Frank Stanton

Omaha, NE

#2 Jun 11, 2012
Brian wrote:
EVERY peer reviewed scientific study on the subject proves that therapy is effective and most who receive it are very glad that they did!
Why do homosexual hate groups fight science?
no need for more comments. numbnuts gave its jr. high school opinion, and that's the end of this debate.

********** DEBATE CLOSED **********

Since: Sep 10

Earth

#3 Jun 11, 2012
Brian wrote:
EVERY peer reviewed scientific study on the subject proves that therapy is effective and most who receive it are very glad that they did!
Why do homosexual hate groups fight science?
If "heaven" is so much better than Earth, why haven't you killed yourself and gone to meet feces christ?

Shitbags like you want to do to gays what christians did to jews in Spain during the 14th century. You want to tell them "Convert or die", and kill them if they don't. And just European christians did far worse to the jews in centuries after that culminating in 1945, so would you like to do far worse to LGBT people.

And claiming that "reparative therapy" is "science" shows how uneducated and fucked in the head you are. You're advocating the South African "solution" to lesbianism: raping women to make them straight.

Actual scientist have admitted that homosexuality occurs naturally in every order of species. Just because you're ignorant of it doesn't mean you can claim you didn't know.

“Equality marches on! ”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#5 Jun 11, 2012
Fred wrote:
If the gays would just partake of the reparative therapy that is readily available and get themselves repaired this world would be a much better place.
If David Moore and R1, the Topix trolls with a thousand usernames, would quit posting on Topix, it would be a better place.

Since: Jul 09

Indy/Philly/Toronto

#6 Jun 11, 2012
Sounds like therapy needs to be developed for these parents who are damaging their own children for life. Isn't mental abuse considered a crime?
Mona Lott

Hoboken, NJ

#8 Jun 11, 2012
Brian wrote:
EVERY peer reviewed scientific study on the subject proves that therapy is effective and most who receive it are very glad that they did!
Why do homosexual hate groups fight science?
This is your biggest and best lie. The exact opposite is true.
Mona Lott

Hoboken, NJ

#9 Jun 11, 2012
Fred wrote:
If the gays would just partake of the reparative therapy that is readily available and get themselves repaired this world would be a much better place.
It doesn't work, Freddie baby.

“Created Equal”

Since: Feb 08

USA

#10 Jun 11, 2012
Brian wrote:
EVERY peer reviewed scientific study on the subject proves that therapy is effective and most who receive it are very glad that they did!
Why do homosexual hate groups fight science?
May 2, 2012: "Last month, Dr. Robert Spitzer, the psychologist who helped declassify homosexuality as a mental disorder, disavowed a study he published just a decade ago suggesting that ex-gay therapy could be effective. Acknowledging the many flaws in his research, he apologized “to any gay person who wasted time and energy undergoing some form of reparative therapy.” He even published these remarks in a letter to the editor of the Archives of Sexual Behavior, essentially retracting the study to the fullest extent he can."

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/05/30/4921...

2009, report from American Psychological Association Task Force:
"Based on its review of the studies that met these standards, the Task Force concluded that "Enduring change to an individual's sexual orientation is uncommon. The participants in this body of research continued to experience same-sex attractions following SOCE [sexual orientation change efforts] and did not report significant change to other-sex attractions that could be empirically validated, though some showed lessened physiological arousal to all sexual stimuli. Compelling evidence of decreased same-sex sexual behavior and of engagement in sexual behavior with the other sex was rare. Few studies provided strong evidence that any changes produced in laboratory conditions translated to daily life. Thus, the results of scientifically valid research indicate that it is unlikely that individuals will be able to reduce same-sex attractions or increase other-sex sexual attractions through SOCE" (pp. 2-3).

In addition, the Task Force found evidence to indicate that some individuals experienced harm or believed they had been harmed by these interventions. The Task Force report provides a detailed discussion of this topic and an extensive review of relevant research.

In response to the Task Force report, the APA passed a 2009 resolution that stated, in part, "the American Psychological Association concludes that there is insufficient evidence to support the use of psychological interventions to change sexual orientation" and "the American Psychological Association concludes that the benefits reported by participants in sexual orientation change efforts can be gained through approaches that do not attempt to change sexual orientation."

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/fa...

...So ahem, Brian, if that's what you want to be called today, we can absolutely dismiss your use of the word "every," for clearly the overwhelming body of research was sufficient for the APA to reach this conclusion. Exactly what "peer reviewed" material are you refering to? And by that, I do mean please cite a reference or shut the F*CK up.
Brian

Attleboro, MA

#11 Jun 11, 2012
Fred wrote:
If the gays would just partake of the reparative therapy that is readily available and get themselves repaired this world would be a much better place.
The problem with the world isn't gay people. It's religion and money and people being socially irresponsible, like you, and Brian from Manito, IL sending the wrong messages.
Brian

Lacon, IL

#12 Jun 11, 2012
ScottyMatic wrote:
<quoted text>
May 2, 2012: "Last month, Dr. Robert Spitzer, the psychologist who helped declassify homosexuality as a mental disorder, disavowed a study he published just a decade ago suggesting that ex-gay therapy could be effective. Acknowledging the many flaws in his research, he apologized “to any gay person who wasted time and energy undergoing some form of reparative therapy.” He even published these remarks in a letter to the editor of the Archives of Sexual Behavior, essentially retracting the study to the fullest extent he can."
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/05/30/4921...
2009, report from American Psychological Association Task Force:
"Based on its review of the studies that met these standards, the Task Force concluded that "Enduring change to an individual's sexual orientation is uncommon. The participants in this body of research continued to experience same-sex attractions following SOCE [sexual orientation change efforts] and did not report significant change to other-sex attractions that could be empirically validated, though some showed lessened physiological arousal to all sexual stimuli. Compelling evidence of decreased same-sex sexual behavior and of engagement in sexual behavior with the other sex was rare. Few studies provided strong evidence that any changes produced in laboratory conditions translated to daily life. Thus, the results of scientifically valid research indicate that it is unlikely that individuals will be able to reduce same-sex attractions or increase other-sex sexual attractions through SOCE" (pp. 2-3).
In addition, the Task Force found evidence to indicate that some individuals experienced harm or believed they had been harmed by these interventions. The Task Force report provides a detailed discussion of this topic and an extensive review of relevant research.
In response to the Task Force report, the APA passed a 2009 resolution that stated, in part, "the American Psychological Association concludes that there is insufficient evidence to support the use of psychological interventions to change sexual orientation" and "the American Psychological Association concludes that the benefits reported by participants in sexual orientation change efforts can be gained through approaches that do not attempt to change sexual orientation."
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/fa...
...So ahem, Brian, if that's what you want to be called today, we can absolutely dismiss your use of the word "every," for clearly the overwhelming body of research was sufficient for the APA to reach this conclusion. Exactly what "peer reviewed" material are you refering to? And by that, I do mean please cite a reference or shut the F*CK up.
The anti-scientific radical homosexual nonsense you cite is not science.

EVERY peer reviewed scientific study on the subject proves that therapy is effective and most who receive it are very glad that they did!

Why do homosexual hate groups fight science?

You can learn what Spitzer's caving to political pressure really means and fine references to all peer reviewed scientific studies at narXth.com (remove the X)
That_Dude

Newark, DE

#13 Jun 11, 2012
Brian wrote:
<quoted text>The anti-scientific radical homosexual nonsense you cite is not science.
EVERY peer reviewed scientific study on the subject proves that therapy is effective and most who receive it are very glad that they did!
Why do homosexual hate groups fight science?
You can learn what Spitzer's caving to political pressure really means and fine references to all peer reviewed scientific studies at narXth.com (remove the X)
NARTH? You're citing NARTH? The same NARTH that had one of its heads caught with a gay rent boy? Are you f*cking retarded?
Brian fr Attleboro

Attleboro, MA

#14 Jun 11, 2012
The other Brian from Manito, IL,(who changes his name every day and is not really Brian) said:
"Why do homosexual hate groups fight science?"

Well, first, homosexuals are not hate groups. They are a socially repressed group targeted by hate groups. Check the SPLC's (Southern Poverty Law Center) hate list. The groups that hate homosexuals are on their hate list.

Secondly, we welcome science. Good legitimate science, which fills the mainstream and is not very hard to come across. You are the one that refuse to believe any science except a narrow view of where ever you get your 'so called' facts.

“Created Equal”

Since: Feb 08

USA

#15 Jun 11, 2012
Brian wrote:
<quoted text>The anti-scientific radical homosexual nonsense you cite is not science.
EVERY peer reviewed scientific study on the subject proves that therapy is effective and most who receive it are very glad that they did!
Why do homosexual hate groups fight science?
You can learn what Spitzer's caving to political pressure really means and fine references to all peer reviewed scientific studies at narXth.com (remove the X)
Oh my, Brian. You're quite the little wingnut, aren't you? The APA is an internationally respected scientific organization. Narth is a homophobic hate group listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center. You can't insist on science and then ignore what is science and what is wackadoodle religious homophobic bigoted propaganda that's never been published by ANY reputable peer reviewed journal.

So, as Christopher Hitchens once said, "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."

You ARE the weakest link. Goodbye.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#16 Jun 11, 2012
Brian wrote:
EVERY peer reviewed scientific study on the subject proves that therapy is effective and most who receive it are very glad that they did!
Why do homosexual hate groups fight science?
Wow, I guess you told us, hey, while we are on the subject, is Manito anywhere near Pekin? Just wondering! All you need reply is:

"Yes, Curteese, Pekin is {insert mileage} from Manito!"

In fact, all you need reply is the number. For example "5" or "9" or whatever it is.
The Troll Stopper

Roanoke, VA

#17 Jun 11, 2012
Brian aka David Moore the Kiddy-Diddling Pekin Troll wrote:
EVERY peer reviewed yap yap yap blah blah blah...
You keep saying that over and over and over, Molester Moore, yet all the "proof" you have for that statement is your regurgitated garbage from the discredited anti-gay group NARTH.

Just because you're still bitter that your ex-wife won't let you diddle your own kids anymore doesn't mean you should take it out on the rest of us. It sucks to be you.
The Troll Stopper

Roanoke, VA

#18 Jun 11, 2012
Fred aka the UnRighteous1 wrote:
<quoted text>Ceeper/Stalker!!!
Project a lot, don'tcha? And just what the hell is a "Ceeper" anyway?

Since: Apr 10

Williston, ND

#19 Jun 11, 2012
Brian wrote:
<quoted text>The anti-scientific radical homosexual nonsense you cite is not science.
EVERY peer reviewed scientific study on the subject proves that therapy is effective and most who receive it are very glad that they did!
Why do homosexual hate groups fight science?
You can learn what Spitzer's caving to political pressure really means and fine references to all peer reviewed scientific studies at narXth.com (remove the X)
Ohh narth? you mean narth that EVERY scientfic org in the US says uses junk non scentific methods, the org that the AMA, APA and every major world medical and pschyolgocial and scientfic org can dispute and prove wrong. try again citing narth on that is like citing hitler on how good jews are or citing the KKK on blacks
Mona Lott

Hoboken, NJ

#20 Jun 11, 2012
Brian wrote:
<quoted text>The anti-scientific radical homosexual nonsense you cite is not science.
EVERY peer reviewed scientific study on the subject proves that therapy is effective and most who receive it are very glad that they did!
Why do homosexual hate groups fight science?
You can learn what Spitzer's caving to political pressure really means and fine references to all peer reviewed scientific studies at narXth.com (remove the X)
There are ZERO peer reviewed studies that prove reparative therapy is effective.

It is obvious you don't even know what 'peer reviewed' means.
NARTH doesn't use 'peer reviewed' studies. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see what liars they are. How much did you pay them for your brainwashing? Don't you think you should ask for your money back since it obviously didn't work?

And good gay porno ads on your page today, closet boy?

“Created Equal”

Since: Feb 08

USA

#21 Jun 11, 2012
The Troll Stopper wrote:
<quoted text>
Project a lot, don'tcha? And just what the hell is a "Ceeper" anyway?
I think he meant "Creeper." A Creeper is one of the monsters in the online game called Minecraft. It's a green, phallicly shaped 4-legged meanie who sneaks up when you're not looking, then when it's right beside you, it explodes.

This is the first time I've seen it used in this context.

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#22 Jun 11, 2012
fr "brian from manito IL", aka DAVID MOORE FROM PEKIN IL:

>The anti-scientific radical homosexual nonsense you cite is not science.

EVERY peer reviewed scientific study on the subject proves that therapy is effective and most who receive it are very glad that they did!

Why do homosexual hate groups fight science?

You can learn what Spitzer's caving to political pressure really means and fine references to all peer reviewed scientific studies at narXth.com <

narth, DAVID? Really? Get the REAL facts about glbt people from REPUTABLE sources, such as pflag or glaad. narth is a bunch of sheer idiots who falsify their "facts" 24 hours a day.

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