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David

Worcester, MA

#42 Oct 13, 2009
I guess that us old people should just not be heard.

I guess I should just listen to a person(coward). who won"t sign her/his name.

I guess that I should jut wait for my AARP magazine & wait for my meals on wheels.

I guess that I should be censored & told what to do.

I guess that my FREE advice about I.P addresses and libel should be ignored.

In the USA we have freedom of speech. It is the freedom to speak without censorship or limitation. The synonymous term freedom of expression is sometimes used to indicate not only freedom of verbal speech but any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used. In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and the right is commonly subject to limitations, such as on "hate speech".

The right to freedom of speech is recognized as a human right under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The ICCPR recognizes the right to freedom of speech as "the right to hold opinions without interference. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression".[1][2] Furthermore freedom of speech is recognized in European, inter-American and African regional human rights law

In my opinion for some of you ( not all ) you are unteachable.

Also, the word unteachable is a adjective.(It might be on a test).

Definition for coward
- somebody lacking courage: somebody regarded as fearful and uncourageous
- bully: somebody who harms or attacks people who are weaker or unable to defend themselves
- anonymous enemy: somebody who anonymously harms those who cannot defend themselves

I have said enough. I will go watch CNBC or CNN & some of you (not all) can go back to watching your talk shows..

And to make it clear, someday you will also get older & wiser. I hope that no one tell you that your old & that you should go away. And that your opinion does not matter. I saw the way most of you (not all) were very rude & mean toward that pricipal.

I did not expect to be treated any better.

David
Fan of David

Milford, MA

#43 Oct 13, 2009
Yeah David! Parents need to be positive role models for their children; teaching them responsibility and respect. They need to be held accountable for their test scores and HELP their children learn instead of always placing blame on the teachers. No wonder today's youth are so disrespectful in school. In my day if I were in trouble in school or got a bad grade I was in trouble at home too.
Sad

Augusta, ME

#44 Oct 13, 2009
I have no problem with freedom of speech. I am saddened that college students and older people who are chiming in are missing the point. The point being that they do not have the correct facts. No one is trying to say that children shouldn't be held accountable for their actions. Parents would have done so had they been informed of their children's individual behavior three years ago.
There are many other facts that have been mixed up by people because they are assuming things. All I ask is that people who are adding their two cents ask some more questions before criticizing.
The parents are being very pro-active. This does not mean that they are bullying anyone. They spoke out as a group at a meeting that they were invited to and that was attended by the superintendent.
This is not about a principal who mistreated the children during an isolated incident. If it were then I would agree with David from Holden and the college student. The thing is that I have all the facts and have tried to address the issues throughout the years without much success. Therefore I am frustrated. And your input is all the more frustrating for it's ignorant origins.
I just hope that we are able to see some positive changes soon. But if the parents shut up as you seem to think they should, then that will not happen.
Bellingham Parent

Milford, MA

#45 Oct 13, 2009
A parent of Stall Brook wrote:
Is there any way we can start up a new forum on another site so that we can avoid the people that have nothing to do with Stall Brook?
Perhaps another that other Stall Brook parents who have no idea of the witch hunt won't find? How many Stall Brook parents can Barnes and Noble hold 248 students in the school pretty tight fit?

- Parent of Stall Brook graduate and current student
Concerned Parents

Millis, MA

#46 Oct 13, 2009
*Sigh* It really saddens me to think that some people can be so overly critical of a situation that they are not part of. When you don’t know all the facts about something, you should either find them all out, or bite your tongue before commenting.

I’d like to address the college student who grew up in Bellingham, but never attended Stall Brook School. Had you attended Stall Brook, I’m sure that you would have received a decent education, since the period of time that you would have been a student there; it was the best elementary school in the town. The Principal back then was a firm believer in a strong academic foundation. Even more important though was the fact that the Principals before the current one all were “kid friendly”. They didn’t talk down to children. They treated them with respect.

You mentioned how a teacher in high school held an entire class for detention because a handful of students were misbehaving. You continue to say that those in the wrong know that the punishment is aimed at them and that those who didn’t do anything wrong sucked it up and got over it. You’re talking about high school students versus elementary school students. That’s like comparing adults to children. I’m curious to know, did you really suck it up, or did you complain about it? If you were in elementary school and mentioned it to your parents, do you think they would have sucked it up, or do you think they would have tried to figure out why you were being punished for something that you had no part of? I’m willing to bet it’s the latter.

We, as parents of the children who are being berated because of the small handful of children who are being disruptive, are not going to sit idly by while our children are treated without respect. We’re not asking for favors or for our children to get any special favors. We just want them to be treated as individuals and with respect. This, by the way, is the same thing that any adult would ask for, for themselves.
Concerned Parents

Millis, MA

#47 Oct 13, 2009
As far as us “attacking” the principal, we’re not, at least not in the way that you are implying. Again, you don’t have all the facts. This Principal has been at Stall Brook School for six, now going on seven, years. During this time, she has continually let her anger come through. This is not about human error one time. She treats the children as though they were second class citizens, and frankly, if you’re a parent, you’re not immune from her poor attitude and disrespect. A new kindergarten parent came up to her at an event held before school started for kindergarteners and their parents. She had a few questions about how the program was run and what she could expect. The parent was very rudely told that she (the Principal) didn’t have time for her, and then she (the Principal) walked away without another word. Another example of her stellar treatment is when a child held open the door for her (obviously a lesson in respect that was taught at home by caring parents) and instead of thanking the child, she walked right through the door and didn’t even acknowledge him. I’ve been in this school working with these children on many projects over the last seven years. I have never seen her interact with the kids in a way that would even suggest that she likes working with children. She is constantly abrupt with them. How can you expect any child to have even a small amount of respect for someone who doesn’t respect them? These children have tried and if you could see them, you’d know that they’ve been emotionally beaten down by this woman.

You mentioned that we should “spend less time arguing with the people who want to help our children learn”. We’ve tried coming to her for her suggestions on how to better our children’s education, and she’s put them on the backburner and dismissed us. I don’t think that there’s one person within this group of parents who are trying to make changes who doesn’t think that their teachers are definitely trying to make a difference. You and others keep mentioning the teachers in your posts. We, the parents, are not having issues with the teachers. Even the teachers are frustrated, and not with the parents and children, but with the administration.

And while you think we’re coddling our children, I assure you, speaking for myself anyway, we’re not. I actually laugh at the thought that anyone would think that I was coddling my kids. I hold my kids up to the highest standards. I expect them to bring home straight A’s. It’s their job to do well in school. I don’t do their work for them. I expect the teachers and administrators who teach my children to hold them to those same standards.
Concerned Parents

Millis, MA

#48 Oct 14, 2009
David wrote:
I guess that us old people should just not be heard.
I guess I should just listen to a person(coward). who won"t sign her/his name.
I guess that I should jut wait for my AARP magazine & wait for my meals on wheels.
I guess that I should be censored & told what to do.
I guess that my FREE advice about I.P addresses and libel should be ignored.
In the USA we have freedom of speech. It is the freedom to speak without censorship or limitation. The synonymous term freedom of expression is sometimes used to indicate not only freedom of verbal speech but any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used. In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and the right is commonly subject to limitations, such as on "hate speech".
The right to freedom of speech is recognized as a human right under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The ICCPR recognizes the right to freedom of speech as "the right to hold opinions without interference. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression".[1][2] Furthermore freedom of speech is recognized in European, inter-American and African regional human rights law
In my opinion for some of you ( not all ) you are unteachable.
Also, the word unteachable is a adjective.(It might be on a test).
Definition for coward
- somebody lacking courage: somebody regarded as fearful and uncourageous
- bully: somebody who harms or attacks people who are weaker or unable to defend themselves
- anonymous enemy: somebody who anonymously harms those who cannot defend themselves
I have said enough. I will go watch CNBC or CNN & some of you (not all) can go back to watching your talk shows..
And to make it clear, someday you will also get older & wiser. I hope that no one tell you that your old & that you should go away. And that your opinion does not matter. I saw the way most of you (not all) were very rude & mean toward that pricipal.
I did not expect to be treated any better.
David
Regarding this:

"Definition for coward
- somebody lacking courage: somebody regarded as fearful and uncourageous
- bully: somebody who harms or attacks people who are weaker or unable to defend themselves
- anonymous enemy: somebody who anonymously harms those who cannot defend themselves"

1. I don't lack courage. If I did, I would not be fighting for my child's rights for a better education and a healthy, positive and productive environment.

2. I'm not attacking someone who is weak or unable to defend themselves. However, thank you for pointing out that my child is being bullied by an adult who obviously enjoys using their position of power to bully large groups of small children. Children, who have been taught to respect their elders, which in turn means that they aren't going to do anything to the person bullying them out of fear for getting into trouble.

3. I can't be an anonymous enemy as I've personally confronted this adult on various occasions about the issues that we've been discussing in this forum.

I'm certainly not going to tell you to stop surfing the internet and reading forums, but as I suggested before, you don't know me and you don't know my situation regarding this topic. For someone older and supposed to be wiser, one would think that you would stop generalizing and making assumptions.
Idontknow

Boston, MA

#49 Oct 14, 2009
Another Point of View wrote:
I find it very interesting that parents are blaming the principal (spelled with an "al" at the end, not "le") and staff for their children doing poorly on MCAS. Just read the previous posts and you will realize why students are doing badly. You will find poor spelling, incorrect grammar usage, and overall ignorant comments from their parents. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, folks. If you want your children to do well in school, make education a priority at home. In addition, Stall Brook led in many MCAS areas prior to last year's 3rd graders taking the test.
When has Stall Brook ever led in MCAS results? If my memory serves me correctly, every year they are lower than Macy and South. Some years they are considerably lower. I can't believe it has taken this long for parents to start complaining.
Concerned Resident

Bellingham, MA

#50 Oct 16, 2009
Maybe the person who started this discussion should go back to school and learn how to spell instead of spending all this time bashing a wonderful principal. It's embarrassing to see the title of this discussion with all those ridiculous misspellings.
Funny how the fourth grade for the last two years at Stall Brook have had stellar MCAS results - same teachers, same principal.
This discussion disgusts me and I am a Bellingham resident. I think it's funny how you want to now form a 'secret' blog group so you don't have to be subject to people who disagree with you.
I hope people reading this discussion realize that this 'witch hunt' is only the work of a select few parents/residents - we all do not think and act this way!
Concerned Resident

Bellingham, MA

#51 Oct 16, 2009
Also, I find it very interesting that there were only 18 parents at the principal bashing meeting at Stall Brook - 18 parents in a school of almost 250 students! That tells you something.
Concerned Parents

Millis, MA

#52 Oct 16, 2009
Concerned Resident wrote:
Also, I find it very interesting that there were only 18 parents at the principal bashing meeting at Stall Brook - 18 parents in a school of almost 250 students! That tells you something.
Just a quick correction...the meeting was ONLY for 4th grade parents to discuss the MCAS results and for the principal to discuss the "conversation" that she had with the 4th graders when she told them that they were "unteachable", "behavior issues" and "less than mediocre". I do agree that it's pretty sad that out of 44 students, only 17 students were represented. I guess that maybe other parents couldn't care less when the principal bullies their child, or perhaps they had no idea what happened because their child was too afraid to tell their parents.

Also, it was not a principal bashing. This was a meeting that the principal scheduled. The parents that went all sat and listened as she tried to explain how 44 children all misconstrued something that she said. We sat and listened to how she told us that our children were all behavior issues and that she's at her wits end of how to deal with our children. When we asked why the "behavior issues" weren't addressed even though they've supposedly been going on since the 1st grade, she had nothing to say. And frankly, as a parent of a child who is definitely NOT a behavior issue, I am certainly not going to sit back quietly and let her say that all these kids are.

I guess you don't care if your child's spirit is broken because of this woman, but I certainly do. If my child was an issue, I'd be the first one to agree with what is being said, but my child isn't and neither are the kids of the parents who were at that meeting. In fact, the fact that we were all at that meeting should show how much we care about our kids, their education and how much we want to make the school a better place. The parents who were there are also the parents or spouses of the parents who do the majority of the volunteer work in YOUR child's school.

Concerned parent

Salem, MA

#53 Oct 28, 2009
Hello David??? From Holden ???
Why don't you think people put there name's on this? Who needs the controversy? It's not about the parents. It's about the students (you know the kids). The students don't really know what’s going on, and apparently you don't either. So take yourself and your attorney and worry about your own business!!!
Concerned parent

Salem, MA

#54 Oct 28, 2009
Concerned Resident wrote:
Maybe the person who started this discussion should go back to school and learn how to spell instead of spending all this time bashing a wonderful principal. It's embarrassing to see the title of this discussion with all those ridiculous misspellings.
Funny how the fourth grade for the last two years at Stall Brook have had stellar MCAS results - same teachers, same principal.
This discussion disgusts me and I am a Bellingham resident. I think it's funny how you want to now form a 'secret' blog group so you don't have to be subject to people who disagree with you.
I hope people reading this discussion realize that this 'witch hunt' is only the work of a select few parents/residents - we all do not think and act this way!
Then go to a meeting
Former Stallbrook Parent

Westborough, MA

#55 Oct 29, 2009
Principal Chamides is rude and abusive to the children. It has gone on for years. Thankfully she does not spend a lot of time with them. I think this is because she really does not like children, nor does she understand them. As for the MCAS scores, I blame the teachers. Perhaps all the teachers should take the MCAS and see if they can pass. At lease they would be familiar with what the child is subjected to. With the development of Bellingham, the taxes paid, etc, there should be funds for our education. Perhaps we are paying too much for our unqualified teachers. With all the time off for their teaching enrichment the grades should be better. I think teachers are getting way to much time off during the school year. When I went to school, teachers did their enrichment on their on time and not during the school year except for 1 or 2 days. The teachers at Stallbrook are clicky and full of themselves. They are more interested in their diets and their bulletin boards than my child. I say clean house and start again. Give them a test pass or fail, stay or be let go.
Stall Brook Parent

Milford, MA

#56 Oct 30, 2009
To Former Stall Brook parent: Please don't post on our blog again. We do not want to be associated with people like you. You are making it look like we are all teacher-haters. My children have had nothing but fantastic experiences at Stall Brook, due mostly to the teachers there. This forum was started to post opinions about the principal, not the teachers.
parent of SB children

Milford, MA

#57 Oct 30, 2009
My children have also had wonderful experiences at this school. My two former SB students both scored advanced and proficient on their MCAS tests while at SB, and so did the majority of their peers. This was all in the past 6 years under Principal Chamides. All of the teachers at SB that we have experienced have been warm, loving, nurturing, smart, and professional. I read the state report of MCAS scores and it seems like SB was higher than South and Macy in many of the recent years.
David

Worcester, MA

#58 Oct 30, 2009
To everyone on forum.. I have some more time on my hands and wanted to post. I was very upset at the comment left by the "former Stallbrook parent". My wife is in private practice as a case worker for a major local company. When I showed her the post she laughed. In her opinion you (former stall brook parent) is really a former employee or a Volunteer at the school that has an ax to grind with the employees at the school.

Also, my wife also thinks that you are not happy with yourself and decide to throw cheap shots at teachers that are concerned for their healthy diets. My wife also seems to think that you are having an issue with your diet habits. I can't understand why no one signs their name to the posts.

I will keep on posting.... have fun
Concerned Parents

Millis, MA

#59 Nov 3, 2009
parent of SB children wrote:
My children have also had wonderful experiences at this school. My two former SB students both scored advanced and proficient on their MCAS tests while at SB, and so did the majority of their peers. This was all in the past 6 years under Principal Chamides. All of the teachers at SB that we have experienced have been warm, loving, nurturing, smart, and professional. I read the state report of MCAS scores and it seems like SB was higher than South and Macy in many of the recent years.
First, I'd like to agree with you regarding the teachers. I've yet to come across a teacher at SB that I haven't liked. As I'm sure I've mentioned before (and if I haven't, I apologize for neglecting to mention it) the teachers there are wonderful. However, just like in a business, your staff is only as good as the management that's leading it. I believe that the staff is just as frustrated with all the cutbacks that have happened and their inability to actually teach children what they need to know to flourish in life versus what they need to pass a ridiculous test.
I'm interested in knowing where you are getting your MCAS results that show that SB has been higher than Clara Macy and South. I've been on the Mass Dept of Education website for the last hour and as far as I can see (and granted I'm currently only looking at 2009-2005) Stall Brook has been the worst school of the three. In fact, for the last two years, the 3rd graders at Clara Macy have had no children in the "failure" category, where as the other two schools have had a handful.
Could you please provide a link to the information that you're looking at?
Thank you.
Yoda

Waltham, MA

#60 Nov 5, 2009
FYI - link to the 2009 MCAS results by school, draw from it what you will.....

http://www.boston.com/news/special/education/...
Teacher in US

Holbrook, MA

#61 Feb 9, 2010
David wrote:
I can't believe that parents are acting this way.
This would never happen in Holden.
The blame is with your kids!
Back in 1981 my son came home with a 62 on a test. I punished him & blamed him.
I would never blame a teacher for not doing her job.
All you young parents point the finger and never blame yourself & your kids.
Thank God your not my neighbors..
Dear Mr. Spelling, read the last line, and eat some humble pie before you get on your high and mighty horse next time.
P.S. In case you can't find it..."your" should be "you are" or "you're."

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