Tom Kirth

Cedar Rapids, IA

#174 Aug 20, 2012
Hey Harleyrider84... Here's a thought, instead of making a bunch of pointless noise hoping that people will "notice" you, why not use your horn? Stock horn not loud enough? Get an aftermarket one. Such an easy solution, but apparently too complex for the typical middle-aged RUB who does the 20 foot duck walk when they take off, or stop, to understand.
harleyrider84

Beckley, WV

#175 Aug 21, 2012
I am surprised you actually are attempting to argue the point with me Tom ... Ive read your nonsense and think your just the kind of clown that would run a guy over on a bike and then say "I didn't see them... I dont support the ridiculous loud exhaust on any bike as I have stated before on this topic. I did however in great detail explain a scenario to you that a bike with exhaust can actually save the rider. A stock Harley horn does work incredibly well in my experience. I have and still do use my horn when needed, but what is safer for us all is what Is called Situational awareness. When you "know" that their is a bike near you you dont swerve into the lane that the bike is occupying when you want to lane change, you dont avoid debris in the road with quick lane changes into our path and you dont have to quickly react when you have already come into our path and then have to respond to a horn and lane change. Im going to share some information from a driving study that was done so maybe we can all understand this (study done by Charles C. Roberts jr. It was done to show driver reaction times to avoid wrecks and not written as a study of interactions of motorcycles and full size vehicles but the facts are solid and do support my statement of why its better that the driver already knows the bike is there rather than to learn after they have already entered the bikes path/lane )
"Response time = Perception/Decision Time + Reaction Time

The perception/decision time is the time it takes to view a hazard and figure out what to do about it. The reaction time is the time it takes to perform a particular function once a decision has been made. The response time for removing one's hand from a hot skillet is relatively quick and is on the order of about a half second. In this example, a natural response to excessive heat bypasses the visual sensors, allowing for a quicker response time. Driving an automobile requires a high degree of visual processing, which tends to extend response times.

McGee et. al.(1) reported that perception time is the sum of eye movement time, fixation on the hazard time delay, recognition time delay and muscle response delay time. They found that for the 85th percentile of drivers, eye movement delay was 0.09 seconds, fixation delay time was 0.20 seconds, recognition delay time was 0.50 seconds, decision time 0.85 seconds, muscle response delay was 0.31 seconds and brake reaction time was 1.24 seconds. The sum total of these times, the response time, was 3.19 seconds. The 85th percentile is often chosen as the upper bound for design analyses. " by using the information given if you swerve into a motorcycles lane it will take approx 3.19 seconds for the mind to process and react to beep the horn, at that moment that you finally are aware of the riders presence it will take another 3.19 seconds for you to react. While that time may seem small alot can happen , but if you are already aware of the motorcycles presence this lag time is not there and therefor safer for all of us. This study did not include the added risk of people on their cell phones while driving this does increase the time it takes to react while driving and I can find you another study if you think you need it.
Tom Kirth

Cedar Rapids, IA

#176 Aug 21, 2012
harleyrider84 wrote:
I am surprised you actually are attempting to argue the point with me Tom ... Ive read your nonsense and think your just the kind of clown that would run a guy over on a bike and then say "I didn't see them...
...and I think you're completely clueless. Like I said previously, I've been riding bikes with "quiet" pipes for 25 years. My situational awareness, no matter what I'm driving at the time, is well developed. I don't depend on making annoying the hell out of everyone around me in order to foster a false sense of safety.

Talk to me about safety when you land pirates start wearing more than a do-rag, your little vests, and the required Hardley grimace. Talk to me about safety when you RUBs actually learn to drive defensively instead cracking your throttle every possible moment and risking rights for the rest of us. The times you have to rely "reaction time" are minimal if you actually anticipate and keep yourself out of the situation in the first place. The overwhelming majority of the times I found myself in a bad spot happened when I was a new driver. Well, judging by the number of non-safety gear wearing RUBs I see dragging their feet when they come to a stop, or take off, cruising in cars' blindspots, blasting through intersections without looking for redlight runners, or left turners, quite a few people are operating at that skill level.

Taking a defensive driving class, wearing your gear, and using your horn will give you FAR more safety than the loudest pipes could ever dream off. Loud pipes are just poser BS that risks rights for the rest of us.
Ihatepunks

Vancouver, WA

#177 Sep 4, 2012
Just like the subwoofer terrorists, you can't reason with loud pipe Harley scum. They will blame YOU for pointing out their crass disruption of society.
Ihatepunks

Vancouver, WA

#178 Sep 4, 2012
FYI original poster: No need for that apostrophe. It's possessive, not plural.
Ihatepunks

Vancouver, WA

#179 Sep 4, 2012
harleychick wrote:
To those of you complaining, I just feel sorry for you. Do you have nothing better to do?
Not to mention...... Whatever happened to "can't we all just get along?"
Army Medic.... Thank you. Your poise & dignity are refreshing. There are too many "Toms" in the world.... bitter, cranky curmungeons! Perhaps a little wind therapy would do them well :)
Ride on & loud
Thanks for your service
Many subwoofer low-lifes use that same "...nothing better to do..." argument , or the ultra arrogant "get some earplugs," as if they are simply minding their own business instead of polluting the airspace, and everyone ELSE is the problem. It's classic sociopath behavior. They simply ignore the entire salient point.
Sub-Human

Petaluma, CA

#180 Sep 5, 2012
Ihatepunks wrote:
<quoted text>
Many subwoofer low-lifes use that same "...nothing better to do..." argument , or the ultra arrogant "get some earplugs," as if they are simply minding their own business instead of polluting the airspace, and everyone ELSE is the problem. It's classic sociopath behavior. They simply ignore the entire salient point.
So true, my friend. But, as your previous post well states, you simply cannot argue logically with loud-pipe folk. They're "tuned out" to the societal norms of acceptance we collectively call decency and respectfulness. To them, we step on their rights to be obnoxiously loud and offensive. They do not realize (or just don't care- how nice) that personal rights come with personal duty. Duty to respect others' rights and the responsibility to live harmoniously in collective society. Blasting babies in strollers at stop signs is hardly friendly and decent respectfulness. Ahhhh... But it saves the riders' lives..... Huh?
Heritage

Garden City, MO

#181 Sep 11, 2012
Bill wrote:
I know a few Harley riders. One of them for sure does not have those stupid loud pipes. I'm not sure about the other two.
However the ridiculous comment that loud pipes save lives - It's your own worthless life that you are worried about. We are not worried about your life since you are terrorizing us with your needless noise. And yes, when we car drivers are on the road our windows are rolled up and air conditioners on. We don't hear you unless you're within death's distance (like within a carlength) from us. So it's all BS about saving lives.
You don't see BMW, Ducatti, Honda, Kawasaki motorbikes souped up to be louder then ten freight trains. I guess only Harley Davidson a$$clowns with the loud pipes think they save lives. You are egotistical terrorists who want everyone to notice you and nothing more. Oh yeah, everyone does notice you. They are the ones flipping you off.
I highly doubt those Harley owners you know are your friends. We don't have sissies for friends. The other makes sound like crap with loud pipes so that's why you don't hear them. Harley's have a unique sound all of their own. As far as being a terrorist? Well if you get my way maybe we can show you some good ole hospitality we give sissy boys like yourself.
Sub-Human

Petaluma, CA

#182 Sep 11, 2012
Heritage wrote:
<quoted text> I highly doubt those Harley owners you know are your friends. We don't have sissies for friends. The other makes sound like crap with loud pipes so that's why you don't hear them. Harley's have a unique sound all of their own. As far as being a terrorist? Well if you get my way maybe we can show you some good ole hospitality we give sissy boys like yourself.
Wow, that's intelligent. I rest my case.
hogglegg

Dickinson, ND

#185 Feb 24, 2013
wow i cant believe what the people on here are saying about loud pipes, people that say this kind of crap over a motorcycle passing by for 5-10 seconds of noise you may here, what about that ambulance you here for 5-10 seconds when they pass by. im sure you folks complaining dont have very many friends.
john boyd

Oroville, WA

#186 Apr 20, 2013
Sam Harley wrote:
<quoted text>
Us people that ride motorcycles make them loud so that we can be heard since so many don't see us. Cyclist also do alot of other good things, like runs for benefits for adults and children with sicknesses and while those are being done we also spend our money in your towns. Please give it a break. Oh and we are not scum bags and our women are NOT WHORES , We are all hard working people that enjoy riding in the fresh air and enjoying life. Something you should try. Go ask your local tavern owners if they dislike seeing biker season.
plus Cindy your dad says you kiss better than his other boys,but the clamidia is getting worse
Tom Kirth

Cedar Rapids, IA

#187 May 24, 2013
Hardley Ableson: The #1 manufacturer in converting gasoline into noise without any pesky side effects like horsepower.

Like it, or not, Harleys are overweight and underpowered. Any inline 4 bike that is the same displacement will absolutely STOMP a Hardley. Hardley owners are fat old men who can't handle bikes with real power. All blow & no show pretty much sums up the typical weekend mid-life crisis biker.

Oh, and learn to actually drive your bikes. Though it's funny to see you do the 25 foot duck walk every time you stop, or take off, a little skill will save your life quicker than your loud pipes.
Niceguy

Milford, MA

#188 Jun 7, 2013
Noise pollution? Terrorizing you? I especially like "we dont care about your life because we're suffering" something or another. I wont even delve into what most 'sheepdogs' would consider suffering, but for all of you, rest assured, its not a loud motorcycle.

Clearly some of you are either left-wing liberal gashes or have lived quite a sheltered life, maybe both. The best part is not one care is given by anyone with a loud Harley Davidson. What will you do? Flip me off? I dont even entertain it. You might get a wave and a smile.

Youre all big babies that need life experience and some real problems. The sheeple of America in action.
Niceguy

Baltimore, MD

#189 Jun 8, 2013
Tom Kirth wrote:
<quoted text>
...and I think you're completely clueless. Like I said previously, I've been riding bikes with "quiet" pipes for 25 years. My situational awareness, no matter what I'm driving at the time, is well developed. I don't depend on making annoying the hell out of everyone around me in order to foster a false sense of safety.
Talk to me about safety when you land pirates start wearing more than a do-rag, your little vests, and the required Hardley grimace. Talk to me about safety when you RUBs actually learn to drive defensively instead cracking your throttle every possible moment and risking rights for the rest of us. The times you have to rely "reaction time" are minimal if you actually anticipate and keep yourself out of the situation in the first place. The overwhelming majority of the times I found myself in a bad spot happened when I was a new driver. Well, judging by the number of non-safety gear wearing RUBs I see dragging their feet when they come to a stop, or take off, cruising in cars' blindspots, blasting through intersections without looking for redlight runners, or left turners, quite a few people are operating at that skill level.
Taking a defensive driving class, wearing your gear, and using your horn will give you FAR more safety than the loudest pipes could ever dream off. Loud pipes are just poser BS that risks rights for the rest of us.
Risk rights? See, this is the problem with modern-day American society. Everyone thinks they have all these little "rights". I'd call them wrongs. But to those who dont defend them, they are automatic in everyday life. Another thing you take for granted.

Hows this, its your right to complain as much as humanly capable about a loud motorcycle. Its our right to own and operate same. You want to infringe upon our right in this case. Just like free speech, it may be your right to call someone a xunt dbag ahole, but it doesnt make you any less of a whiny toolshed.

Petition for the removal of weedwackers and lawnmowers from residential areas. I mean they dont HAVE to cut their grass. Or recreational aircraft, that helo hurts my ears flying overhead. He's risking my right to live in the safe quiet bubble shielded from uncomfort I've grown to accept.

Its a motorcycle. Move into the woods, exercise that right.
Harley Rider

Edgerton, WI

#190 Jun 11, 2013
Peter wrote:
Why is it that you don't see Honda, Kawasaki, Triumph, Ducati (and virtually every other brand of bike)riders with straight pipes. It's only Harley riders and it's all about the badass image they like to project. The safety reason is a red herring and please don't conjure up images of rides for toys and military honour guards. It has nothing to do with the issue. Straight pipes are unlawful and and Harley riders should be pulled over by the authorities and ticketed if they are breaking this law!
Not all bikes with loud pipes are Harley's. There are plenty of jug heads on metric bikes that have nasty loud pipes too. How about all the "tuner" cars with coffee can mufflers? You can have loud pipes and still tone it down so all you "pipe" haters have some validity to your argument. I've had plenty of bikes with straight pipes and idled past plenty of coppers without even so much as a look. So whatever ordinance you want passed won't fix stupid
REAL ANSWER

Torbay, Canada

#191 Jun 11, 2013
Buy a Japanese bike. You'll get better service, meet nicer people, be less irritating to everyone, won't display yourself as "one of those riders", and it will beat out the Harley by a mile on pretty much every aspect of biking. Harleys are nothing but archaic technology in a slightly updated frame. Japanese bikes are superior in every aspect. Might as well face the fact. Everyone is clinging to the Harley name and that's about all you're paying for too, the name. Get over the Harley brainwash, you'll be much better off in the long run.
Ben

United States

#192 Jun 17, 2013
Ramona Hammel wrote:
We have many other things to worry about in this world that truly would make a difference for human life and you want to worry about loud Harleys buy yourself some ear plugs and worry about the important things that need real attention.
why should I have to buy ear plugs because stupid white trash idiots want to be annoying?
Niceguy

Milford, MA

#193 Jun 27, 2013
Ben wrote:
<quoted text>
why should I have to buy ear plugs because stupid white trash idiots want to be annoying?
Because your soft fragile ears pinned on your assumably supple frame obviously cannot endure 4-6 seconds of a nearby motorcycle in operation, thats why.
Tom Kirth

Cedar Rapids, IA

#194 Jun 27, 2013
Niceguy wrote:
<quoted text>Hows this, its your right to complain as much as humanly capable about a loud motorcycle. Its our right to own and operate same.
Naw, you just do it because you aren't skilled enough to drive defensively, nor are you smart enough to operate a horn.

What's the matter... are you scared about your safety? Prove it by wearing your gear first, and maybe people will take you seriously. Otherwise you're just displaying small man's disease by making a lot of noise and very little horsepower.

Basically, your Hardley Ableson is a joke and so are you.
Niceguy

Baltimore, MD

#195 Jun 28, 2013
Tom Kirth wrote:
<quoted text>
Naw, you just do it because you aren't skilled enough to drive defensively, nor are you smart enough to operate a horn.
What's the matter... are you scared about your safety? Prove it by wearing your gear first, and maybe people will take you seriously. Otherwise you're just displaying small man's disease by making a lot of noise and very little horsepower.
Basically, your Hardley Ableson is a joke and so are you.
Listen here woman, you only assume I own a Harley, dont wear proper gear, etc. However everyone in this thread knows for a fact you're a big queef with that fat alligator mouth of yours. Heres an "assumption". Go sit on your beach ball sized helmet and play some fantasy video games, I'm sure you're familiar. When you're done go make your trip to the 24/7 mart and grab that pint of Ben & Jerrys you enjoy nightly. Its obvious the only problems you have are your obesity and sexual frustration. And stop washing the internet away with those big elephant tears will ya? Good luck Tom

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