Fraternity on trial in Penn State stu...

Fraternity on trial in Penn State student's death

There are 11 comments on the The York Daily Record story from Jul 14, 2010, titled Fraternity on trial in Penn State student's death. In it, The York Daily Record reports that:

A central Pennsylvania judge must decide whether a fraternity accused of providing alcohol to a college freshman should be held responsible for the student's death last fall.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The York Daily Record.

umyeahNO

York, PA

#1 Jul 14, 2010
nathan boob?? seriously?!
Wheels

York, PA

#2 Jul 14, 2010
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Ha nathan boob
Another Yorker

York, PA

#4 Jul 15, 2010
To parrot so many of the MIS-GUIDED wanna be young adults (who are still wet behind the ears) and their MIS-GUIDED wanna be parents (who would rather be friends than parents)..."it was all just part of the college experience!!".

I am sure that statement helps the parents of this dead kid sleep better at night.

Not interested in the specifics regarding the character of this particular kid or his parents...my comment is directed at the MIS-GUIDED notion above that many seem to carry.
Philly Flyer

King Of Prussia, PA

#5 Jul 15, 2010
Ever hear of personal responsibility?
comeON

Washington, DC

#6 Jul 15, 2010
Unfortunate and avoidable incident, but being a college student means your old enough and intelligant enought to take responsibilty for yourself. I know these fraternities post signs with numbers for cabs and escorts and also offer alternative beverages.
Another Yorker

York, PA

#7 Jul 15, 2010
comeON wrote:
Unfortunate and avoidable incident, but being a college student means your old enough and intelligant enought to take responsibilty for yourself. I know these fraternities post signs with numbers for cabs and escorts and also offer alternative beverages.
replying to your specific comment separate from my previous comment--

Agree BUT if I personally throw a party and serve alcohol to adults and I do not collect keys but instead I post signs with numbers for cabs and/or escorts and someone ignores those numbers, drives home drunk and either kills themselves or someone else, am I partially responsible?(legally??/ morally - absolutely yes)

Even though there was no drinking and driving in this instance, the fraternity (a supposed band of brothers) is or should be held partially responsible (legal??/ moral - yes).
comeON

Washington, DC

#8 Jul 15, 2010
Another Yorker wrote:
<quoted text>
replying to your specific comment separate from my previous comment--
Agree BUT if I personally throw a party and serve alcohol to adults and I do not collect keys but instead I post signs with numbers for cabs and/or escorts and someone ignores those numbers, drives home drunk and either kills themselves or someone else, am I partially responsible?(legally??/ morally - absolutely yes)
Even though there was no drinking and driving in this instance, the fraternity (a supposed band of brothers) is or should be held partially responsible (legal??/ moral - yes).
Well when driving is involved its a bit of a different situation. Most of these kids live within 5 minutes walking distance from anywhere. They should absolutly not be legally responsible and i think it would be difficult to even make a moral argument. I think most of these brothers do in fact look out for eachother, but when theres a hundred or more people in the house someone can slip out and go home unnoticed, which is where your own personal responsibility comes into play. The issue here is they are looking to hold someone legally responsible for this incident. Having a party with some brother and having one who drank a little too much walk home and sleep it off is not being negligant. Im not saying its not a tragedy but trying to hold someone legally responsible for an unfotunate accident is not the right thing to do. This can serve as a good lesson and maybe take measure to minimize future accidents but no one is at fault especially legally.
Another Yorker

York, PA

#9 Jul 15, 2010
comeON wrote:
<quoted text>
Well when driving is involved its a bit of a different situation. Most of these kids live within 5 minutes walking distance from anywhere. They should absolutly not be legally responsible and i think it would be difficult to even make a moral argument. I think most of these brothers do in fact look out for eachother, but when theres a hundred or more people in the house someone can slip out and go home unnoticed, which is where your own personal responsibility comes into play. The issue here is they are looking to hold someone legally responsible for this incident. Having a party with some brother and having one who drank a little too much walk home and sleep it off is not being negligant. Im not saying its not a tragedy but trying to hold someone legally responsible for an unfotunate accident is not the right thing to do. This can serve as a good lesson and maybe take measure to minimize future accidents but no one is at fault especially legally.
Note; that is why I put the ?? next to legal. I still believe however that morally they (the Frat bros, etc.) are partially responsible. I think for the most part you and I are on the same page but if you refer to my 1st comment, this was a tragedy but for me it is a little difficult to call an accident. From my vantage point as adult with a few years under my belt and a parent, nothing good comes from mixing excessive alcohol and youth. It almost repeat almost borders forseeable.

If you have not surmissed where I am coming from based on this and my 1st comment...I DO NOT subscribe to the notion that, "it is all part of the college experience" and I would NOT condone it prior to or after the fact from my child (>18 or not).
comeON

Washington, DC

#10 Jul 15, 2010
Another Yorker wrote:
<quoted text>
Note; that is why I put the ?? next to legal. I still believe however that morally they (the Frat bros, etc.) are partially responsible. I think for the most part you and I are on the same page but if you refer to my 1st comment, this was a tragedy but for me it is a little difficult to call an accident. From my vantage point as adult with a few years under my belt and a parent, nothing good comes from mixing excessive alcohol and youth. It almost repeat almost borders forseeable.
If you have not surmissed where I am coming from based on this and my 1st comment...I DO NOT subscribe to the notion that, "it is all part of the college experience" and I would NOT condone it prior to or after the fact from my child (>18 or not).
Maybe thats where we differ in opinion. I think it is all part of the college expierence and I would even go beyond that saying its all part of growing up in general college or not. Everyone knows that excessive alchol creates some unintended consequences but its part of learning and growing up. That doesnt mean that you have to condone it but thats the way it alwasy has been and always will be. College and parties are like tailgating and football games. You can just go straight to the game but your not getting the full expierence withouth joining the fans in a little pre game fun first. When i was in college, sure i made some mistakes, but I learned from them grew up, got through school had to best time of my life. Personal Responsibility is the name of the game.
Another Yorker

York, PA

#11 Jul 15, 2010
comeON wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe thats where we differ in opinion. I think it is all part of the college expierence and I would even go beyond that saying its all part of growing up in general college or not. Everyone knows that excessive alchol creates some unintended consequences but its part of learning and growing up. That doesnt mean that you have to condone it but thats the way it alwasy has been and always will be. College and parties are like tailgating and football games. You can just go straight to the game but your not getting the full expierence withouth joining the fans in a little pre game fun first. When i was in college, sure i made some mistakes, but I learned from them grew up, got through school had to best time of my life. Personal Responsibility is the name of the game.
Then we will have to respectfully agree to disagree on that aspect of the issue.

See I am not convinced that "everyone knows" because I sure know or have known a lot of parents who do condone (either actively or inactively) their college kids engaging in this behavior under "it's all part of the college experience" theory and wanting to be their kids friends intead of parents. & you know what, if & when something bad happens they all wish they would have TRIED to say or do something to curb it.

I made mistakes but as the old adage says, learn from my mistakes therefore I would prefer my child (& I will try to instill this and will not condone the opposite) not make the same mistakes or engage in this type of reckless behavior.
Common Sense Soldier

York, PA

#12 Jul 15, 2010
Is this the football team's fraternity??

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Bellefonte Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News Pa. man with hearing aids sues over police denial (Jun '10) Nov '16 What 4
Girl with tats at burger king (Jul '16) Jul '16 Muscles 1
ANYTHING coming to Airport area anytime soon? (Jul '16) Jul '16 Egghead 1
News Time for Smoke-Free? Trend gains momentum in Ce... (Feb '07) Jul '16 Zamunda 7
Hunters Warehouse (Jun '16) Jun '16 Boltcarrier 1
News Restricting Calories Makes You More Upbeat, Stu... (May '16) May '16 Three Days 1
News Five things to watch in Tuesday's primaries, in... (Apr '16) Apr '16 tomin cali 1

Bellefonte Jobs

More from around the web

Personal Finance

Bellefonte Mortgages