#544 Dec 9, 2009
After escaping the COG - I look back at some painful memories... But I always remind myself that Scars remind us of where we've been...but they don't have to dictate where we're going.
#545 Dec 10, 2009
Hmmm...I noticed change the channel backed off when the lastest case of abuse at Mt Tabor was brought up. It takes a very deceived heart to TAKE UP for a religious group like the cog that is guilty of SO MUCH abuse.
#546 Dec 10, 2009
Its just not only the abuse it the Mt Tabor and affiliates pure lack of ability to deal with the issues of the time. When you have people that are either attending your church that either themselves of have family that are struggling with mental health issues, addictions, sexuality issues, kids turning to gangs ect. The pastors have no idea how to help these people. I remember when I attended there was a women that was mentally ill she didn't get any support at all she was basically and outcast and made fun of as was another women who mentally low functioning. This to me is not what a church id about at all, it wasn't till I was an adult and attended another church I seen what caring, empathic church members act and behave. Its more than are alleged prayers it will also reflect in our actions.
#547 Dec 10, 2009
in silence might be the privilege of the strong, but it was certainly a danger to the weak. For the things I was prompted to keep silent about were nearly always the things I was ashamed of, which would have been far better aired .
#548 Dec 11, 2009
Exactly! No minister of the Church of God has an educated background in their particular field. Every pastor just magically feels a "calling" to become an ego-filled, controlling preacher.
There are certifications and requirements one must take in order to counsel someone in a professional setting. There are also legal requirements for a pastor to report abuse or questionable activity immediately to the authorities.(especially involving abuse) But this would give the church unwanted publicity : so they decide to give the abuser options - "Repent and confess your sins, and we will just keep it hush-hush and act like it never happened." Well of course they will go through the motions and repent, who would choose to be reported!?!?
I can remember a young lady in the church who had severe mental problems and would faint often during the services. In order for her to wake up after passing - They would have to let her feel the pastor's tie, and smell his cologne or aftershave - After waking she would have to see him or a picture of him in order to feel safe.
They are clueless -
As one poster said "Birds of a feather flock together!"
I'm glad my little bird flew away years ago from this bunch!:)
#549 Dec 11, 2009
The cog has their own "Internal Justice System".When cases of abuse (sexual and physical) are brought out in the open within the group, the cog ministry takes it all into their own hands and deals with the situation as "they" see fit...and they DO NOT deal with it correctly by taking it to the authorities,(of course, this would be a terrible embarrassment to the cog if word got out) therefore, year after year the abuse continues. Needless to say, the abuse WILL CONTINUE to happen until this group is checked out. Some of the victims who have left the cog, are reporting the situations to the authorities at least now.
#550 Dec 11, 2009
Study the history of the Mt Tabor group. One of the reasons they split from Anderson, IN Church of God years ago, was that they didn't believe cog ministers needed to go through the schooling and training necessary to become a qualified minister.They wanted to do things their own way. The cog ministers often like to boast that they went to the school of "knee-ology". Unfortunately, they obviously didn't stay on their knees long enough, and have managed to create quite the mess and reputation for themselves and their whole cog system. They should have stayed with Anderson, IN and with the way God planned things.
#551 Dec 11, 2009
EXACTLY - Nice post!:)
#552 Dec 11, 2009
The Blameless Church (by B.E. Warren)
Without spot and blameless, O Savior,
What a glorious church thou hast built!
For this thou didst patiently suffer,
For this was thy blood freely spilt.
Without spot and blameless, so holy,
See the church in her beauty sublime;
She lives on the bright hills of glory,
She reigns over sin all the time.
Without spot and blameless he bought her,
In the likeness of heaven above;
From the depths that were sinful he sought her,
And filled her with infinite love.
She is blameless, without spot or wrinkle,
From the last stain of sin she is free;
With blood from the cross he doth sprinkle
Her altars of cleansing for me.
Without spot and blameless my brother,
She lives 'neath the all cleansing blood;
In heaven and earth is no other,
Her builder and maker is God.
Church of God (by D.S. Warner)
Church of God, thou spotless virgin, Church of Christ, for whom he died,
Thou hast known no human founder, Jesus bought thee for his bride.
Sanctified by God the Father, built by Jesus Christ, the Son,
Tempered by the Holy Spirit, like the Holy Three in One.
God himself has set the members In his body all complete,
Organized by Jesus only, Oh, the union pure and sweet!
Church of God the angels marvel At the music of thy song;
Earth and hell in terror tremble, As thy army moves along.
Church of God, "beloved city" Thou art of celestial mold;
Lo! from God and out of heaven, Came the city of pure gold.
Stones of jasper, clear as crystal Is the building of thy wall;
And the Lamb, thy light forever, Jesus, Jesus, all in all.
God's own holiness within thee His own beauty on thy brow;
Glorified in his own image, This thy wondrous portion now.
In thee dwells the triune fullness, Blessing all thy pilgrim days;
All around thee his salvation, And before thee gates of praise.
Church of God, in heaven written, Thine the risen life of Christ,
And the treasures to thee given, Never, never can be priced.
Far above this world's confusion, Walking close by Jesus' side,
Leaning on his loving bosom, Is the church, his chosen bride.
I've Found It, Lord, in Thee (by D.S.Warner)
My soul in trouble roamed Upon a weary plain,
And ever restless longed A perfect bliss to gain.
Oppressed with guilt and woe, With fears of hell o'er cast,
My soul no comfort knew Until I came to Christ.
I bore within my breast A deep and painful void,
I wanted inward rest, And peace that would abide.
My foolish soul had tho't To fill itself with mold
From earthly mines, yet bou't No true and lasting gold.
All in this world is dross; its pleasures soon decay;
Its honors prove a snare; Its treasures fly away.
I have found it, Lord, in thee,
An everlasting store
Of comfort, joy, and bliss to me
How can I wish for more
#553 Dec 11, 2009
What was the purpose or motive of posting these songs?
#554 Dec 11, 2009
I just don't get it ?? Why are they so against education?? All of the other conservative holiness churches require some education for the pastors... I guess when things really get out of hand they can claim ignorance. There ought to be a law.
#555 Dec 11, 2009
I'm with "Okay" on this - why post these songs?
Besides - it seems to me you attend - and your pastor has forbidden all cog members to get on this forum!!
#556 Dec 12, 2009
With the reputation the Mt Tabor cog group has, they difinately are NOT "without spot and blameless". What HAS gone on and DOES go on "within" the group is a stench in the nostrils of God. No wonder He has allowed it all to go public. There are enough TRUE stories on this forum by the couragous victims who were able to escape the group, to give people the idea of what the Mt Tabor cog group REALLY is...and the group is NOT "without spot and blameless...."
#557 Dec 12, 2009
Is there ever any particular spot where one can put one's finger and say, "It all began that day, at such a time and such a place, with such an incident"?
But they each may have played a part, and it's the many parts of our lives, past and present, that guarantee us the turning points that nudge us further up the mountain. We will see the summit. And we will understand how, each time we stumbled, new strength was gained.
#558 Dec 12, 2009
#559 Dec 12, 2009
#560 Dec 12, 2009
This youtube link is unrelated to our topic. It is a video of a group playing "Black Betty" - I thought maybe it was rocked up version of "Without Spot and Blameless" haha
#561 Dec 12, 2009
you know i do yhink that is where so of that attitude comes from is the misinterpertation of those songs ,,it stops being about the church and become them they spirtual elite and the ministry become
"Without Spot and Blame" only in there own misdirected minds
#562 Dec 12, 2009
pleaes, please, please
don't soil the name "Church of God", or it's beautiful musical heritage, or it's great doctrinal message; by connecting it with Mt. Tabor
post #557 asked if there was one particular spot,
where things went wrong.
it was 1948, when Nolan Bogart took over the old Mt. Tabor congregation
I can't think of any one man, who has ruined the lives of more people, in the name of religion, than the ignorant un-educated alligator wrestler from Florida.
Of course, it's not a "Christian" thing to say, but, if any man ever deserved to feel the fires of eternal damnation.....
#563 Dec 13, 2009
Many of the ministers of these little "cog groups" actually have their roots from the Mt Tabor congregation. Ohio,Kentucky,Alabama,Illinois ,Virginia, and IN (although the IN cog is not in fellowship with Mt Tabor and,has it's own MAJOR "dirty secrets"),all have ministers that came from the Mt Tabor congregation. Sad they've spread their poison to to so many different states.
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