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My Grandmother attended Mt Tabor Church of God untill her death. My neighbor down the street seen the postings and asked me to respond because we have discussed Mt Tabor at different times. Just to let you no now I'm not pumping sunshine I will tell it as I have seen and I have been told.
1. Mt. Tabor is a split from the Anderson Indiana Church of God, This happened sometime in the mid 1950's when Mt Tabor's previous Pastor Nolan Bogart and a group of his affiliates believed Anderson had "drifted'from early teachings of Daniel Sidney Warner. Daniel Sidney Warner was the who's teachings came from that began the movement first began.Mt Tabor had very humble beginings in a ladies living room named Ertha Orrivle Yoder then to a Church building on Co Rd 13 on the otherside of the St Rt 235 a fire destroyed that building and that how they came to the present property. Interesting Bogart treated Ertha Yoder terrible before his death and spent her last years attending the First Church Of God in West Liberty.
2. Mt Tabor is a cousin to the Church Of God Evening Light also many no as Guthrie Ok from an earlier Anderson split. The Church of God Restoration is a 1980ish split from Guthrie. The doctrine of the Restoration is similiar to Mt Tabor with the exception of the dress standard is more severe with the Restoration. The website www.churchofgodrestorationexposed.us has subform on Mt Tabor Church of God.
3. Mt Tabor since it's split with the parent body Anderson Ind Church of God has been involved in at least 3, possibly more splits with its congergations all involving matters of standards and doctrine. Mind you that DS Warners main teaching was on Christian Unity. The splits varied on santification, divorce and remarriage, scripture interputation.
4. The Pastor's are very verbal from the pulpit to mock other churches even the Parent bodie Anderson but continue to use Gaither Music Anderson affiliates music.
5 Overtime there has been so many terrible things that have occured over the years. The misuse of devine healing. The belittleing of indiviuals I have to agree with one of the posts it is a "Church that Abuses" When they decide to change something concerning doctrine it is "New Light" for others they have drifted or Backslid.
6. Nolan Bogart and his affiliates taught that D.S Warner was with the Church when the 6th Seal of Revelation was opened,but now with the drift of the Anderson Ind Church of God the 7th seal had been opened. This is some of the New Light I was refering to . Truthfully the real concern was Andersons push to see that the Pastor's where prepared to be in the ministry. Anderson was requiring SEMINARY you get my "drift" Mt Tabor had a Revelation chart that said that the end of the world would be near after 1980. I'm sure that has found its way off that chart? Also the Anderson churches identified Mt Tabor and there affiliates as Church Of God 7th Seal
7. Yes, if you have family involved you should be concerned, very concerned! Much damage has been done in the past but we can pray for them and the future.
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4. The Pastor's are very verbal from the pulpit to mock other churches even the Parent bodie Anderson but continue to use Gaither Music Anderson affiliates music.
5 Overtime there has been so many terrible things that have occured over the years. The misuse of devine healing. The belittleing of indiviuals I have to agree with one of the posts it is a7. Yes, if you have family involved you should be concerned, very concerned! Much damage has been done in the past but we can pray for them and the future.[/QUOTE]

It sounds to me like you are another bitter, disgruntled person trying to throw out some incorrect information without any examples or facts to back up your comments.

Making statements like misuse of divine healing, mocking of other churches, belittling individuals, etc. How is divine healing misused, how do they mock other churches, how do they belittle individuals??? Why don't you back up your statements with facts on something instead of just throwing negative comments out about a group in the community?

For the record, I don't attend Mt. Tabor, but I do know several people that do go there and they are all respectable citizens that I can find no fault with their lives. That is alot more than I can say about other so-called "Church of God's" churches in this area.

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It sounds to me like you are another bitter, disgruntled person trying to throw out some incorrect information without any examples or facts to back up your comments.
Making statements like misuse of divine healing, mocking of other churches, belittling individuals, etc. How is divine healing misused, how do they mock other churches, how do they belittle individuals??? Why don't you back up your statements with facts on something instead of just throwing negative comments out about a group in the community?
For the record, I don't attend Mt. Tabor, but I do know several people that do go there and they are all respectable citizens that I can find no fault with their lives. That is alot more than I can say about other so-called "Church of God's" churches in this area.
They do indeed mock other churches when they tell their congregation that all churches other than their's are hell-bound and preach false teachings. It doesn't matter if one is a Baptist, Methodist, or a member of any other orthodox Christian churches, or whether a person has been raised a Christian and practied Christianity all his life----he/she is still going to hell because they don't interpret the Bible the correct way, believe the right way, or worship as Mt Tabor does. They believe they have the market cornered for all the Truth and nothing but the truth. If this is not mocking other churches, than what is?
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I hate to say it but they do say that all other church's are wrong, and to a point they do mock them. I used to go there - so this is first hand experience.
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I went to school with a few people from this cult, and they thought that they were better than everyone else.
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It sounds to me like you are another bitter, disgruntled person trying to throw out some incorrect information without any examples or facts to back up your comments.
Making statements like misuse of divine healing, mocking of other churches, belittling individuals, etc. How is divine healing misused, how do they mock other churches, how do they belittle individuals??? Why don't you back up your statements with facts on something instead of just throwing negative comments out about a group in the community?
For the record, I don't attend Mt. Tabor, but I do know several people that do go there and they are all respectable citizens that I can find no fault with their lives. That is alot more than I can say about other so-called "Church of God's" churches in this area.
I just want to say I agree with many of you the majority of the people that attend Mt Tabor are hard working and sincere psople trying to live a good life. As for this post that I have attached to. I can also agree with only one of your comments and that is what you choose to call yourself Insanity because there seem to be alot of that. I don't care if you attend there or don't funny that you feel it nessessary to say one way or another. My issue with Mt Tabor are many but it really boils down to the deception of it all "the teaching that they are the one true visible truth". There is so much danger in that alone it just sets up the makings of a cult. The fOLLOWER ARE LED TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NO CHURCH QUITE LIKE THERES. After years of this teaching if they entertain the idea of leaving they can't there is no place for them to go because all the truth is right there and the rest of the world is lost and dying and going to a devils hell. The experience for them to leave is much like that of a rape victim or someone suffering from post tramatic stress disorder. They have lived through years of controlled oriented leadership. The pastor's and the spirtual elite "the super saints people that are untouchable have become such strong role models and have intimidated the weaker. I have seen it , been there done that. Also funny that you chice the word bitter one of the common words Mt. Tabor people use to control, if you get the backbone to complain slap you with being bitter will get you in toe and a trip to the alter. Yes there is the language they use to control with. Also I can expect to here the next one will be that they are so "PERSECUTED" again for having all the truth. So since you say you have never attended you don't no and I have the battle scares to prove it. So you wanbt examples sit back I'm sure they will be provided.
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"convicted by his own mouth"

In a past issue of "The Remnant" (several years ago), there was an editorial by Kerry Snapp. He was gazing at the map on the wall of his office, and commenting on the fact that so many of the States had no true Church.

I cancelled my subscription immediately
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I went to Mt. Tabor for most of my life. I was raised there as a child growing up. There are many good moral aspects of the church. Having a good standard to live by isn't a bad thing, nor is it a wrong way to raise children. Many of the standards of dress, courting, and conduct are high standards of living. I dated my husband through these standards. I married him without ever sleeping with him, not alone kissing him until the day I said "I do". Some think that is so bazaar, unheard of, totally insane. But to tell you the truth, is it wrong to want pure moral standards for your kids? In a world that young people these days don't have very many standards taught to them from their homes. But there are many things that are taught, upheld, and preached that when you can't or find it hard to reach what is expected of you, you feel like you have committed such a horrible sin that there is no redemption for you in this life. When you are raised in a church like this, you see many things. I know that I witnessed things that I will never ever forget. People being healed of physical ailments. People that were very troubled individuals have "devils" cast out of them. Things that movies are made of these days, I have seen with my own eyes. Yet I no longer go there. Only after many conversations with my husband, feelings in my own heart, questions within my mind of how or why things were handled within the congregation that I decided to leave. Bitter? No not at all. Disgruntal? Not in the least. Confused? absolutely not. I feel as if I see things as I have never seen them before. Do I still believe in God? Most definetly. But I also have realized that I am human, I will make mistakes. I know that God knows that about me. I truely believe that he STILL hears me when I pray and ask him to help me when I need it. Even though I don't go there anymore. I know God still hears my prayers...an don't shun me cause I am a sinner. I have experienced far too much, witnessed God in my own life many times. I know his power and I love him with all my heart. I don't think that I have to go there to that church to be right in my heart. I don't know if this will help anyone. I really kinda debated with myself to even write anything. But as someone that has went there for a very long time. I know in my heart that if I don't go to church there that God won't turn his back on me. That goes against the very nature of a merciful God.
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I went to Mt. Tabor for most of my life. I was raised there as a child growing up. There are many good moral aspects of the church. Having a good standard to live by isn't a bad thing, nor is it a wrong way to raise children. Many of the standards of dress, courting, and conduct are high standards of living. I dated my husband through these standards. I married him without ever sleeping with him, not alone kissing him until the day I said "I do". Some think that is so bazaar, unheard of, totally insane. But to tell you the truth, is it wrong to want pure moral standards for your kids? In a world that young people these days don't have very many standards taught to them from their homes. But there are many things that are taught, upheld, and preached that when you can't or find it hard to reach what is expected of you, you feel like you have committed such a horrible sin that there is no redemption for you in this life. When you are raised in a church like this, you see many things. I know that I witnessed things that I will never ever forget. People being healed of physical ailments. People that were very troubled individuals have "devils" cast out of them. Things that movies are made of these days, I have seen with my own eyes. Yet I no longer go there. Only after many conversations with my husband, feelings in my own heart, questions within my mind of how or why things were handled within the congregation that I decided to leave. Bitter? No not at all. Disgruntal? Not in the least. Confused? absolutely not. I feel as if I see things as I have never seen them before. Do I still believe in God? Most definetly. But I also have realized that I am human, I will make mistakes. I know that God knows that about me. I truely believe that he STILL hears me when I pray and ask him to help me when I need it. Even though I don't go there anymore. I know God still hears my prayers...an don't shun me cause I am a sinner. I have experienced far too much, witnessed God in my own life many times. I know his power and I love him with all my heart. I don't think that I have to go there to that church to be right in my heart. I don't know if this will help anyone. I really kinda debated with myself to even write anything. But as someone that has went there for a very long time. I know in my heart that if I don't go to church there that God won't turn his back on me. That goes against the very nature of a merciful God.
Do you believe as Mt Tabor does that they are the only "TRUE CHURCH"? them and there choice affiliates? Is that what they teach correct?

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Truth is beautiful wrote:
I went to Mt. Tabor for most of my life. I was raised there as a child growing up. There are many good moral aspects of the church. Having a good standard to live by isn't a bad thing, nor is it a wrong way to raise children. Many of the standards of dress, courting, and conduct are high standards of living. I dated my husband through these standards. I married him without ever sleeping with him, not alone kissing him until the day I said "I do". Some think that is so bazaar, unheard of, totally insane. But to tell you the truth, is it wrong to want pure moral standards for your kids? In a world that young people these days don't have very many standards taught to them from their homes. But there are many things that are taught, upheld, and preached that when you can't or find it hard to reach what is expected of you, you feel like you have committed such a horrible sin that there is no redemption for you in this life. When you are raised in a church like this, you see many things. I know that I witnessed things that I will never ever forget. People being healed of physical ailments. People that were very troubled individuals have "devils" cast out of them. Things that movies are made of these days, I have seen with my own eyes. Yet I no longer go there. Only after many conversations with my husband, feelings in my own heart, questions within my mind of how or why things were handled within the congregation that I decided to leave. Bitter? No not at all. Disgruntal? Not in the least. Confused? absolutely not. I feel as if I see things as I have never seen them before. Do I still believe in God? Most definetly. But I also have realized that I am human, I will make mistakes. I know that God knows that about me. I truely believe that he STILL hears me when I pray and ask him to help me when I need it. Even though I don't go there anymore. I know God still hears my prayers...an don't shun me cause I am a sinner. I have experienced far too much, witnessed God in my own life many times. I know his power and I love him with all my heart. I don't think that I have to go there to that church to be right in my heart. I don't know if this will help anyone. I really kinda debated with myself to even write anything. But as someone that has went there for a very long time. I know in my heart that if I don't go to church there that God won't turn his back on me. That goes against the very nature of a merciful God.
What made you decide to leave the church?
I know there are many good people there----my relative is one, although I feel her religious views have distanced us from being closer than we could be. One of the things she always told my family and I was that when we prayed, God never heard us because we weren't true Christians (because we went to the wrong church!) I never bought that for a second because God is all knowing. I would also like to point out that Mt. Tabor is not the only church and/or religion where healings have occurred. I've seen it happen in other churches I have attended and know it happens in other religious cultures other than Christiaity as well.

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Whoops---Christianity, not Christiaty.
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Truth is beautiful wrote:
I went to Mt. Tabor for most of my life. I was raised there as a child growing up. There are many good moral aspects of the church. Having a good standard to live by isn't a bad thing, nor is it a wrong way to raise children. Many of the standards of dress, courting, and conduct are high standards of living. I dated my husband through these standards. I married him without ever sleeping with him, not alone kissing him until the day I said "I do". Some think that is so bazaar, unheard of, totally insane. But to tell you the truth, is it wrong to want pure moral standards for your kids? In a world that young people these days don't have very many standards taught to them from their homes. But there are many things that are taught, upheld, and preached that when you can't or find it hard to reach what is expected of you, you feel like you have committed such a horrible sin that there is no redemption for you in this life. When you are raised in a church like this, you see many things. I know that I witnessed things that I will never ever forget. People being healed of physical ailments. People that were very troubled individuals have "devils" cast out of them. Things that movies are made of these days, I have seen with my own eyes. Yet I no longer go there. Only after many conversations with my husband, feelings in my own heart, questions within my mind of how or why things were handled within the congregation that I decided to leave. Bitter? No not at all. Disgruntal? Not in the least. Confused? absolutely not. I feel as if I see things as I have never seen them before. Do I still believe in God? Most definetly. But I also have realized that I am human, I will make mistakes. I know that God knows that about me. I truely believe that he STILL hears me when I pray and ask him to help me when I need it. Even though I don't go there anymore. I know God still hears my prayers...an don't shun me cause I am a sinner. I have experienced far too much, witnessed God in my own life many times. I know his power and I love him with all my heart. I don't think that I have to go there to that church to be right in my heart. I don't know if this will help anyone. I really kinda debated with myself to even write anything. But as someone that has went there for a very long time. I know in my heart that if I don't go to church there that God won't turn his back on me. That goes against the very nature of a merciful God.
Please don't go any further with any answers to any questions put to you. You have stated all that is necessary for anyone to read.
Thank you for stating your "truths" in a manner that is conclusive from your own personal experience.
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<quoted text>Please don't go any further with any answers to any questions put to you. You have stated all that is necessary for anyone to read.
Thank you for stating your "truths" in a manner that is conclusive from your own personal experience.
Yes ,,,dare not because the Spirtual Elite has spoken,, Look she is a free moral agent and has the God given right to speak if she choose to. Exactly the kind of behavior I refered to.
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My "truths" are personal experience. It isn't just my opinion, I lived this way for a better part of my life. I know how they live and what they teach.

Yes they believe that they are the only true church preaching the whole gospel. They believe that no other church is right in doctrine. They believe that if you aren't in the "truth" that you will not make it to heaven. They also don't think that God can hear your prayers if you aren't in the "truth". If you aren't saved and have repented of all your sins that God won't hear your prayers. They believe that others that are "saved" in other denominations will come to see the light, which will be that they will eventually be lead to a "true" church of God. They believe that they are the only ones in our area that has this truth.
Like many I don't think that God hears just their prayers, that is one of the main reasons I left. I know that healings have been attained with other churches, I wasn't meaning that they couldn't happen. I was just simply telling things I had seen over the years. I believe that healing in itself has to do with a person's faith in God. Not on where they actually go to church.
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My "truths" are personal experience. It isn't just my opinion, I lived this way for a better part of my life. I know how they live and what they teach.
Yes they believe that they are the only true church preaching the whole gospel. They believe that no other church is right in doctrine. They believe that if you aren't in the "truth" that you will not make it to heaven. They also don't think that God can hear your in the "truth". If you aren't saved and have repsins that God won't hear your prayers. They believe that others that are "saved" in other denominations will come to see the light, which will be that they will eventually be lead to a "true" church of God. They believe that they are the only ones in our area that has this truth.
Like many I don't think that God hears just their prayers, that is one of the main reasons I left. I know that healings have been attained with other churches, I wasn't meaning that they couldn't happen. I was just simply telling things I had seen over the years. I believe that healing in itself has to do with a person's faith in God. Not on where they actually go to church.
Thanks so much ...Peace Be With You

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Truth is beautiful wrote:
My "truths" are personal experience. It isn't just my opinion, I lived this way for a better part of my life. I know how they live and what they teach.
Yes they believe that they are the only true church preaching the whole gospel. They believe that no other church is right in doctrine. They believe that if you aren't in the "truth" that you will not make it to heaven. They also don't think that God can hear your prayers if you aren't in the "truth". If you aren't saved and have repented of all your sins that God won't hear your prayers. They believe that others that are "saved" in other denominations will come to see the light, which will be that they will eventually be lead to a "true" church of God. They believe that they are the only ones in our area that has this truth.
Like many I don't think that God hears just their prayers, that is one of the main reasons I left. I know that healings have been attained with other churches, I wasn't meaning that they couldn't happen. I was just simply telling things I had seen over the years. I believe that healing in itself has to do with a person's faith in God. Not on where they actually go to church.
Thanks for your info. I bet you know my relative since she has gone there for over 35 years. However I will not mention her name or how she is related to me to protect both our identities. I'm happy you have adjusted in leaving the church and wish you well. God bless.
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Truth is beautiful, what are your initals?
We both used to attend - so it makes me wonder if I know you.
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<quoted text> Yes ,,,dare not because the Spirtual Elite has spoken,, Look she is a free moral agent and has the God given right to speak if she choose to. Exactly the kind of behavior I refered to.
I think you misunderstood the purpose of me asking her not to answer more questions. I was in a similar "church" setting almost 20 years ago, but not quite as strict as what they are referring to and not around here. From my own experience, the more you start explaining yourself, the more you end up in a pi$$ing contest over minor points that go nowhere - especially on this forum.
Of course they have the right to answer more questions, but their original reply was very well thought out and to the point.
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Just a question..what church doesn't believe they are the only one that is correct?
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I understand your point of view as to not starting a down right shouting match about the Church. Many that have left there feel very strongly about their reasons for leaving. I know I do. But as with any situation like this, those reasons are in some ways a personal thing. But in other ways they may be the same things that people want information about how things are taught there. The people that go there are good citizens, they pay their bills, talk cleanly, and they believe very strongly that where they are going to church is the one and only true church that Jesus built.
Where things get complicated is when you see some things for yourself, you question the teaching, and you get rebuked for even talking about it. I am not sure if this will help anyone. It wasn't my intentions to open a can of worms so to speak. I was just relaying information about my own personal life.
As far as knowing some relatives of some of ya.... I am sure that I would know them. There are alot of people that go there and many of them are realated to each other. Myself, I wasn't one that was related to anyone there. A clue, I use to sing there. There are very few that have went there for 35 years...so I am certain I would know her. Although I am not too old...lol I am middle aged I guess...although I don't feel old.=} I would rather not give my initals....if you do know me...it would most certainly be my maiden name you'd know me by. If it was fairly recent that you left, like withing the last 10-15 yrs, you may know my married name. But I'd rather not say my initals. Sorry to disappoint. I just think its best that way.
Thanks for posting these things. I admit I am curious as to whom you all may be to. But I know this isn't the time or place to find that out.=}
Enjoy this wonderful day that God has made.=}
Take care all of you.

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