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Nov 19, 2012
 
Washington Examiner
Nov 19, 2012 | 09:06 PM Search Carney: Uneasy alliance between old-line GOP and Tea Party
November 18, 2012 | 8:00 pm

Timothy P. Carney
Senior political columnist
The Washington Examiner
The GOP establishment has made two peace offerings to the rebels within its ranks.
First, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, facing a potential primary challenge, chose a new campaign manager: Ron Paul's campaign director and longtime aide, Jesse Benton. Paul was Tea Party before the Tea Party -- chastising his own party for abandoning its stated principles, serving as a gadfly in primaries and rallying a base that otherwise would not have been engaged. His son Rand shifted the Tea Party into high gear in May 2010 when he defeated McConnell's hand-picked Senate nominee, Trey Grayson, in the Kentucky GOP primary.
By hiring Benton, McConnell shows he believes he can't simply fight the Tea Party.
Along the same lines, McConnell and the rest of the Senate GOP leadership reached out to a Tea Party freshman-elect who knocked off an establishment pick in the primary, naming Ted Cruz, R-Texas, one of two vice chairmen of the National Republican Senatorial Committee.

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Rob Portman, a member in good standing of the GOP establishment, will be NRSC vice chairman for finance -- he is the liaison to the party's K Street, Wall Street and big business base. Cruz's job title is "vice chair for grassroots outreach," making him the liaison to the Tea Party base. Operatives in the insurgent wing of the party think the party hopes to use Cruz to mollify Tea Partiers unhappy with the establishment's chosen candidates.
But Cruz's path to the Senate shows how dynamics have changed among the two bases of power in the GOP.
After Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, made it clear she wouldn't run again in 2012, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst became the instant favorite for the seat. "If Dewhurst gets in, I think he clears the field," Jennifer Duffy of the Cook Political Report told MSNBC in early 2011.
The GOP establishment in Austin, Texas, backed Dewhurst. Gov. Rick Perry endorsed him. All the major industry lobbies in Texas started funding him.
But at the same time, Cruz started winning over the big names and deep pockets of the Tea Party wing of the GOP. Utah Sen. Mike Lee -- who in 2010 ousted moderate Republican and notorious porker Bob Bennett in a party convention -- was among the first to rally behind Cruz. Then Cruz won over the money hubs of the Tea Party wing: the Club for Growth, FreedomWorks and Sen. Jim DeMint's Senate Conservatives Fund.
What was different is what didn't happen next: No top Republican officials in Washington rallied behind Dewhurst. No sitting senators hosted fundraisers for Dewhurst until his runoff with Cruz, when Oklahoma's Jim Inhofe put his name on one. And that was it.
Sure, some eminent figures in the GOP K Street establishment rallied behind Dewhurst -- powerful lobbyists Charlie Black and Wayne Berman raised money for him -- but actual party officials and elected Republicans basically stayed away.
Lee, DeMint, Rand Paul and Tom Coburn all endorsed and raised money for Cruz.
So the Tea Party wing has organized hubs of fundraising and campaigning with the names of top elected Republicans attached, while the K Street wing lacks formal clearinghouses or the open imprimatur of sitting senators and party officials.
Operatives on Team DeMint say the Republican National Committee and congressional leadership still quietly funnel money toward their establishment candidates like Dewhurst and Tommy Thompson in Wisconsin. Berman and Black, for instance, wouldn't raise money for a primary candidate who didn't have the blessing of Mitch McConnell.
Even so, this is a huge change from recent years. In 2004, the entire Republican leadership openly opposed Coburn in his Senate primary against Oklahoma City Mayor Kirk Humphreys. In 2010, the NRSC backed liberal Charlie Crist over conservative Marco Rubio, and McConnell went to the mat for Grayson over Rand Paul.
In 2012, by comparison, the party leadership felt it had to act clandestinely if at all.
This could all change again. Crossroads, Karl Rove's super-PAC, indicated last week it planned to get involved in GOP primaries as a counterweight to the Club for Growth and FreedomWorks. And the post-Crist NRSC policy of staying out of open primaries? That's been abandoned, according to John Cornyn, outgoing NRSC chairman and incoming Senate whip.
The line is still clear between K Street wing and Tea Party wing of the GOP. In 2014, how much will they fight one another, and how much will they try to co-opt one another?
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Republican soul= oxymoron
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Nov 19, 2012
 
DON W SOUTH wrote:
Rob Portman, a member in good standing of the GOP establishment, will be NRSC vice chairman for finance -- he is the liaison to the party's K Street, Wall Street and big business base. Cruz's job title is "vice chair for grassroots outreach," making him the liaison to the Tea Party base. Operatives in the insurgent wing of the party think the party hopes to use Cruz to mollify Tea Partiers unhappy with the establishment's chosen candidates.
But Cruz's path to the Senate shows how dynamics have changed among the two bases of power in the GOP.
After Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, made it clear she wouldn't run again in 2012, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst became the instant favorite for the seat. "If Dewhurst gets in, I think he clears the field," Jennifer Duffy of the Cook Political Report told MSNBC in early 2011.
The GOP establishment in Austin, Texas, backed Dewhurst. Gov. Rick Perry endorsed him. All the major industry lobbies in Texas started funding him.
But at the same time, Cruz started winning over the big names and deep pockets of the Tea Party wing of the GOP. Utah Sen. Mike Lee -- who in 2010 ousted moderate Republican and notorious porker Bob Bennett in a party convention -- was among the first to rally behind Cruz. Then Cruz won over the money hubs of the Tea Party wing: the Club for Growth, FreedomWorks and Sen. Jim DeMint's Senate Conservatives Fund.
What was different is what didn't happen next: No top Republican officials in Washington rallied behind Dewhurst. No sitting senators hosted fundraisers for Dewhurst until his runoff with Cruz, when Oklahoma's Jim Inhofe put his name on one. And that was it.
Sure, some eminent figures in the GOP K Street establishment rallied behind Dewhurst -- powerful lobbyists Charlie Black and Wayne Berman raised money for him -- but actual party officials and elected Republicans basically stayed away.
Lee, DeMint, Rand Paul and Tom Coburn all endorsed and raised money for Cruz.
So the Tea Party wing has organized hubs of fundraising and campaigning with the names of top elected Republicans attached, while the K Street wing lacks formal clearinghouses or the open imprimatur of sitting senators and party officials.
Operatives on Team DeMint say the Republican National Committee and congressional leadership still quietly funnel money toward their establishment candidates like Dewhurst and Tommy Thompson in Wisconsin. Berman and Black, for instance, wouldn't raise money for a primary candidate who didn't have the blessing of Mitch McConnell.
Even so, this is a huge change from recent years. In 2004, the entire Republican leadership openly opposed Coburn in his Senate primary against Oklahoma City Mayor Kirk Humphreys. In 2010, the NRSC backed liberal Charlie Crist over conservative Marco Rubio, and McConnell went to the mat for Grayson over Rand Paul.
In 2012, by comparison, the party leadership felt it had to act clandestinely if at all.
This could all change again. Crossroads, Karl Rove's super-PAC, indicated last week it planned to get involved in GOP primaries as a counterweight to the Club for Growth and FreedomWorks. And the post-Crist NRSC policy of staying out of open primaries? That's been abandoned, according to John Cornyn, outgoing NRSC chairman and incoming Senate whip.
The line is still clear between K Street wing and Tea Party wing of the GOP. In 2014, how much will they fight one another, and how much will they try to co-opt one another?
Is your party flip flopping again? I thought your party had an identity?

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Michelle Shocked wrote:
Republican soul= oxymoron
Why say you that?
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No soul = no fight

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Seems our friends on the left do not understand the definition of soul or core. The article was highlighting that. Sure there are some things which Republicans need to rethink; but, the argument is between those who want to be Democrat Lite or those who actually believe in an opportunity society. The left has now convinced people that if there is a problem, the government is the solution. If there is debt and deficit its the rich's fault and they can tax their way out of it and that government can do all things, be all things and accomplish all things if the citizenry will just allow it. To them, their core is government, security and group think. Reagan believed in Americans, their creativity and innovative solutions, fueled by economic freedoms which brought prosperity and jobs. That message has been lost to a group of folks who believe soul = government. How sad it is to see a country in decline.
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Seems our friends on the left do not understand the definition of soul or core. The article was highlighting that. Sure there are some things which Republicans need to rethink; but, the argument is between those who want to be Democrat Lite or those who actually believe in an opportunity society. The left has now convinced people that if there is a problem, the government is the solution. If there is debt and deficit its the rich's fault and they can tax their way out of it and that government can do all things, be all things and accomplish all things if the citizenry will just allow it. To them, their core is government, security and group think. Reagan believed in Americans, their creativity and innovative solutions, fueled by economic freedoms which brought prosperity and jobs. That message has been lost to a group of folks who believe soul = government. How sad it is to see a country in decline.
So sad to see so many uneducated uniformed people like you spreading lies,ignorance and fear. This is a great country and it will rise above your closed minded ignorance,step aside and allow the doers to do. We've had enough of your whining and complaining.

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Ray wrote:
<quoted text> So sad to see so many uneducated uniformed people like you spreading lies,ignorance and fear. This is a great country and it will rise above your closed minded ignorance,step aside and allow the doers to do. We've had enough of your whining and complaining.
What are those "lies, ignorance & fear?" Please define.
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Ray wrote:
<quoted text> So sad to see so many uneducated uniformed people like you spreading lies,ignorance and fear. This is a great country and it will rise above your closed minded ignorance,step aside and allow the doers to do. We've had enough of your whining and complaining.
Agreed, the plight of the republicans can be seen on this board.
The old white guys that are unable to change. The tea party in itself is a huge republican problem. As the voting demographics are changing, the pubs need to come up with a plan to include all.
Sadly, many of them think like Don South, an independant but hard core republican, who posts a picture of himself with Kasich. The days of Karl Rove may not be over, however, if they want to win a presidential election, they are going to have to change.

1) The pubs need to include nonwhites - dreadful as that seems to the tea party, this has to be done to be successful

2) Need to find a message for middle class dudes like myself. And that message sure as hell does not include the tea party.

3) Need new blood lines of candidates - the new pubs need to be less white, less male, less worried about whos sleeping with who, more connected to the middle class & younger people, and more populist.

They have some serious problems within their own party.
If the tea baggers win out, as a party, they will start to die.
As you can see from the last election, they already have.

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Agreed, the plight of the republicans can be seen on this board.
The old white guys that are unable to change. The tea party in itself is a huge republican problem. As the voting demographics are changing, the pubs need to come up with a plan to include all.
Sadly, many of them think like Don South, an independant but hard core republican, who posts a picture of himself with Kasich. The days of Karl Rove may not be over, however, if they want to win a presidential election, they are going to have to change.
1) The pubs need to include nonwhites - dreadful as that seems to the tea party, this has to be done to be successful
2) Need to find a message for middle class dudes like myself. And that message sure as hell does not include the tea party.
3) Need new blood lines of candidates - the new pubs need to be less white, less male, less worried about whos sleeping with who, more connected to the middle class & younger people, and more populist.
They have some serious problems within their own party.
If the tea baggers win out, as a party, they will start to die.
As you can see from the last election, they already have.
You sure "have it in" for the TP. I can tell by your posts that you are obsessed. If, as you say, Voice is obsessed with homos, then, likewise, you are hung up on TP. You are also obsessed with "old white men." This sounds racist. Suppose I kept posting, "OLD BLACK MEN?" As a TP supporter, I also know that you are off the mark. The truth, you are not interested in. "Ye shall know the truth, & the truth shall make you free"--- Some day,IB, someday, just maybe...
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DON W SOUTH wrote:
<quoted text>You sure "have it in" for the TP. I can tell by your posts that you are obsessed. If, as you say, Voice is obsessed with homos, then, likewise, you are hung up on TP. You are also obsessed with "old white men." This sounds racist. Suppose I kept posting, "OLD BLACK MEN?" As a TP supporter, I also know that you are off the mark. The truth, you are not interested in. "Ye shall know the truth, & the truth shall make you free"--- Some day,IB, someday, just maybe...
How can you support kasich/Romney/tea party all at the same time?

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DON W SOUTH wrote:
<quoted text>You sure "have it in" for the TP. I can tell by your posts that you are obsessed. If, as you say, Voice is obsessed with homos, then, likewise, you are hung up on TP. You are also obsessed with "old white men." This sounds racist. Suppose I kept posting, "OLD BLACK MEN?" As a TP supporter, I also know that you are off the mark. The truth, you are not interested in. "Ye shall know the truth, & the truth shall make you free"--- Some day,IB, someday, just maybe...
HeHe. Actually, I do not have it in for your TP. But, since this site is full of people like you who proclaim to be independants, I've got it it for you Bellefontaine dudes. Mainly because you and your buds are what is wrong with the republican party.
I'm not obsessed with "old white man." I do, however, take issue with dudes like yourself, old, white, somewhat racist, tea party dudes, who have problems telling the truth. And yet, you speak of the truth.....That's funny. Anyway, I get a kick out of you guys that live on Bullshit Mountain, especially when you try to tell others what the truth is. Party on Don. Maybe for Christmas, Santa will let you get your picture taken with Karl Rove...I'm sure that would be a high point in your somewhat pathetic existence.
Just remember, Santa is a socialist....He gives to the good little boys & girls. But if you tell him, you're an independant, you will get a lump of coal.

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Actually Iron its a fight for the soul of America. We are at a place in history again similiar to the enlightenment age. The left is gloating about how out of touch Republicans are and how they are creating this wonderful culture based on enlightened values, tolerance and equality. At the same time they are building a culture of social disintegration and unfied by economic fears. Throughout all communities the trends are for weaker family units creating the necessity for more government help. The number of Americans who no longer find marriage worth their time are growing and single women in particular are growing at a fast pace. So has out of wedlock births which further complicates the issue and impoverishes (and please, don't give me the Birth Control answer - that does nothing toward the instability of the family institution). For most, the way families got ahead with not only internal support but dual incomes; however, with the "singles" trend, that cannot happen. Many single women, divorce and with kids have to have government support - it has become their new "spouse". Should this trend continue (and it probably will for a time) ultimately the governmental "spouse" will find itself unable to support all its dependents and much like Greece, much like Spain and other places, then trouble begins....so I guess the left can congratulate themselves for their great "victory" but a future of decline isn't exactly something to be proud of.
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So voice, would you mind telling us a bit about your early childhood? Tell me about your parents, I really am interested.
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<quoted text>No Michelle there was no abuse. Sorry no drama here. Nice try though!
I am curious about your childhood. I am glad there was no abuse. If it was a good childhood, that is a good thing.
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give me an example of "my drama"
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All of those are clear and present dangers. Just because they are inconvenient for you to acknowledged is no reason for you to dismiss them as "drama."

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The Voice Of Sound Wisdom wrote:
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While you are praying for me please include those that suffer because of homophobic people like the Mirandas.
Drama, you have no proof of this. And there is no such thing as homophobic people. That is a word the homosexual created to try and further their cause. And it is thrown around like rice at a wedding.
Please pray for those women that are demonized for terminating a pregnancy after being molested and raped by some monster.
Drama, Abortions are still legal. You use the words: demonized for terminating a pregnancy after being molested and raped by some monster, to create drama.
Pray for the souls of confused young people that are ashamed because they are gay and end their lives.
Again you invoke young people to create drama.
And these are just a fraction of the drama present within your post.
You know, it's funny that you would say that young people would end their lives because they are ashamed of being gay, when the only people who would make them ashamed to that degree are people like you.

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