Since: Apr 12

Hunt Valley, MD

#123 Feb 27, 2013
DON W SOUTH wrote:
<quoted text>
Not gonna waste my time. Can't prove anything to you. What is "Tirder" is for me to know & you to find out. Kinda like you are getting "worser & worser."
LOL.... Just an sh## disturber. Has no real opinions other than he hates Obama because he's black and whatever Faux News and the fat head brothers Bimbaugh/Hannity tell him to think. Just likes to complain and yet has desire to find a real solution or look at the actual facts. Probably a very lonely person.

Since: Apr 12

Hunt Valley, MD

#124 Feb 27, 2013
DON W SOUTH wrote:
CLICK ON: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historic ...
Then click on: Table 7.1—Federal Debt at the End of Year: 1940–2017
You will see that the only "budget balancing heroes" are Harry Truman & Dwight Eisenhower. During these 2 presidents term (s)the national debt decreased in some of the years of their presidency.
However it increased under every year of the Clinton era. Now if the national debt increased each of the Clinton years, how can you honestly say "CLINTON BALANCED THE BUDGET.
Even diehards like Hummer, Ethel, the fake GBA, WOO, & other democrat/liberal apologists cannot refute these facts straight from the OMB at Washington DC.
As some, if not most liberals, will hesitate to make the 2 "clicks" necessary to view this info that will be a shock to them, I will attempt to copy & paste the info later.
DON W SOUTH
“I AGITATE LIBERALS”
The deficit has nothing to do with the budget being balanced over the short term. Not all debts are realized in the same year they were incurred.
Grandpa Jones

Bellefontaine, OH

#125 Feb 27, 2013
I believe Fox News is more accurate than your quote from Nancy Deadpanface Pelosi.

Since: Apr 12

Hunt Valley, MD

#126 Feb 27, 2013
Grandpa Jones wrote:
I believe Fox News is more accurate than your quote from Nancy Deadpanface Pelosi.
Another post that proves my earlier points. Thanks Grandpa! Keep on watching Faux News.
Just Curious

Chicago, IL

#127 Feb 27, 2013
Hummingbird 4 Real wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently you don't know the difference between "budget deficit" (which this thread is about) and nationals deficit, but since you want to bring yo the national deficit up, put this in your pipe and smoke it. The causes of our humongous deficit is because of the last administration's goof-ups. The drivers of our massive deficit problems is because repubs took a massive SURPLUS and turned it into an even more massive deficit, adding costs of ....here's the drivers....(1) TWO wars (2) 2 tax cuts,(3) Medicare expansion (4) and a Wall Street Bailout ....to the national debt.
It is not President Obama's agenda that is driving the national debt now or into the future---but the Republican policies from the last administration!!
Read the article and study the graphs.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/ob ...
Why is it that everything bad going on because of the current administration is blamed on the previous administration? Everything bad that happened in the previous administration was their fault but anything good that happened in the previous administration was because of the administration before him! Do I see a pattern here?
If I understand this correctly, anything good that happens is because of the Dems. and anything bad that happens is because of the Repub.!
I wonder, if I used this same concept to run a business or to even raise a family, how we'll would I do? My bet is that I wouldn't have any better luck then the current administration. Most of us try to teach our kids to take responsibility if their actions, not to blame others. That's getting harder and harder to do when they see adults, especially those in high positions get away with it.
I will tell you like I tell my kids "grow up".
priest resigns-pervert

Ostrander, OH

#128 Feb 27, 2013
Son of SickNTired wrote:
<quoted text>
The deficit has nothing to do with the budget being balanced over the short term. Not all debts are realized in the same year they were incurred.
It's recognized not realized. FASAB accounting is tricky.

Dont worry about it. Happy to help.

“Capable of Chasing Eagles!”

Since: May 09

Soaring on Wings of Spirit

#129 Feb 27, 2013
Just Curious wrote:
<quoted text>Why is it that everything bad going on because of the current administration is blamed on the previous administration? Everything bad that happened in the previous administration was their fault but anything good that happened in the previous administration was because of the administration before him! Do I see a pattern here?
If I understand this correctly, anything good that happens is because of the Dems. and anything bad that happens is because of the Repub.!
I wonder, if I used this same concept to run a business or to even raise a family, how we'll would I do? My bet is that I wouldn't have any better luck then the current administration. Most of us try to teach our kids to take responsibility if their actions, not to blame others. That's getting harder and harder to do when they see adults, especially those in high positions get away with it.
I will tell you like I tell my kids "grow up".
For every action taken there is a reaction, or a consequence that will follow. Some of those consequences will be short-lived and others will be long-termed. Two wars and not paying for them, plus reducing revenue TWICE (giving 2 tax breaks) while those 2 wars are in full force, Medicare D, and bailing out Wall ST.. threw this economy into a tail-spin. This was done on Bush's watch, so why are you blaming Obama for it?

You say you teach your kids to take responsibility for their actions. Your insinuation that Obama needs to take responsibility for another man's poor decisions and/or Obama for not fixing Bush's mess quick enough could be compared to this analogy. Child A makes a mess in the kitchen, spills cereal and milk all over the floor, and drops dishes and breaks glasses, and makes the mess, and then Child B comes in and starts cleaning up Child A's mess. Then you, the parent walks in. You see Child B with the broken bowl in his hand, and the mess all over the floor, and because by this time Child A has left the room and is upstairs playing video games, you credit child B for the mess!. You instruct him to clean up his mess, but 20 minutes later, he's still busy mopping up milk, but you're not satisfied because you think he should have cleaned it up entirely in ten minutes tops, so you don't think he's trying hard enough and lecture him on talking responsibility for his mess!(which Child A left him and he didn't make!)

2 wars, 2 tax cuts, Medicare D, and bailing out Wall street before Bush left is going to take years to pay off the debt. It won't happen in OBama's presidency and it probably wont happen in the next 2 presidents terms---no matter if they are democrat or republican.

“Capable of Chasing Eagles!”

Since: May 09

Soaring on Wings of Spirit

#130 Feb 27, 2013
DON W SOUTH wrote:
CLICK ON: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historic ...
Then click on: Table 7.1—Federal Debt at the End of Year: 1940–2017
You will see that the only "budget balancing heroes" are Harry Truman & Dwight Eisenhower. During these 2 presidents term (s)the national debt decreased in some of the years of their presidency.
However it increased under every year of the Clinton era. Now if the national debt increased each of the Clinton years, how can you honestly say "CLINTON BALANCED THE BUDGET.
Even diehards like Hummer, Ethel, the fake GBA, WOO, & other democrat/liberal apologists cannot refute these facts straight from the OMB at Washington DC.
As some, if not most liberals, will hesitate to make the 2 "clicks" necessary to view this info that will be a shock to them, I will attempt to copy & paste the info later.
DON W SOUTH
“I AGITATE LIBERALS”
Why are you trying to high-jack this thread? The subject of tho=is thread is how the BUDGET DEFICT is getting smaller. if you do not agree with that statement, then state your case instead of bringing up Clinton and whether there was a surplus or not, or making this thread about federal debt. Stay on subject!

“ I LOVE LIBERALS”

Since: Sep 11

Bellefontaine, OH

#131 Feb 27, 2013
Son of SickNTired wrote:
<quoted text>
The deficit has nothing to do with the budget being balanced over the short term. Not all debts are realized in the same year they were incurred.
The quit repeating "that Bill Clinton balanced the budget when he was president!"

“ I LOVE LIBERALS”

Since: Sep 11

Bellefontaine, OH

#132 Feb 27, 2013
Hummingbird 4 Real wrote:
<quoted text> Why are you trying to high-jack this thread? The subject of tho=is thread is how the BUDGET DEFICT is getting smaller. if you do not agree with that statement, then state your case instead of bringing up Clinton and whether there was a surplus or not, or making this thread about federal debt. Stay on subject!
You & your ilk keep repeating that "Clinton balanced the budget when he was president." I asked for you to substantiate your claim, pointing out that you were wrong. You refused to substantiate, so I did for you. You are unable to face the facts.

So, either read the government's figures on this & comment or
keep still!

Since: Apr 12

Hunt Valley, MD

#133 Feb 27, 2013
DON W SOUTH wrote:
<quoted text>
The quit repeating "that Bill Clinton balanced the budget when he was president!"
I would like to see where I said that.

“Capable of Chasing Eagles!”

Since: May 09

Soaring on Wings of Spirit

#134 Feb 27, 2013
DON W SOUTH wrote:
<quoted text>
You & your ilk keep repeating that "Clinton balanced the budget when he was president." I asked for you to substantiate your claim, pointing out that you were wrong. You refused to substantiate, so I did for you. You are unable to face the facts.
So, either read the government's figures on this & comment or
keep still!
Would you kindly point out the post where I claimed Clinton 'balanced the budget?' And what Post # would that be? I never said Clinton balanced the budget! lol.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#135 Feb 27, 2013
Hummingbird 4 Real wrote:
<quoted text>
For every action taken there is a reaction, or a consequence that will follow. Some of those consequences will be short-lived and others will be long-termed. Two wars and not paying for them, plus reducing revenue TWICE (giving 2 tax breaks) while those 2 wars are in full force, Medicare D, and bailing out Wall ST.. threw this economy into a tail-spin. This was done on Bush's watch, so why are you blaming Obama for it?
You say you teach your kids to take responsibility for their actions. Your insinuation that Obama needs to take responsibility for another man's poor decisions and/or Obama for not fixing Bush's mess quick enough could be compared to this analogy. Child A makes a mess in the kitchen, spills cereal and milk all over the floor, and drops dishes and breaks glasses, and makes the mess, and then Child B comes in and starts cleaning up Child A's mess. Then you, the parent walks in. You see Child B with the broken bowl in his hand, and the mess all over the floor, and because by this time Child A has left the room and is upstairs playing video games, you credit child B for the mess!. You instruct him to clean up his mess, but 20 minutes later, he's still busy mopping up milk, but you're not satisfied because you think he should have cleaned it up entirely in ten minutes tops, so you don't think he's trying hard enough and lecture him on talking responsibility for his mess!(which Child A left him and he didn't make!)
2 wars, 2 tax cuts, Medicare D, and bailing out Wall street before Bush left is going to take years to pay off the debt. It won't happen in OBama's presidency and it probably wont happen in the next 2 presidents terms---no matter if they are democrat or republican.
Based on your logic Hummer I suspect you would then agree that Clinton's "successful" eight years can be attributed to Reagan/Bush, right?

“Capable of Chasing Eagles!”

Since: May 09

Soaring on Wings of Spirit

#136 Feb 27, 2013
Wite_Out wrote:
<quoted text>Based on your logic Hummer I suspect you would then agree that Clinton's "successful" eight years can be attributed to Reagan/Bush, right?
He didn't inherit any economical melt down from them, did he? And he didn't cause a financial mess during his 8 years in office to hand over to the next president, now did he? That can't be said about George W, can it?

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#137 Feb 27, 2013
Hummingbird 4 Real wrote:
<quoted text> He didn't inherit any economical melt down from them, did he? And he didn't cause a financial mess during his 8 years in office to hand over to the next president, now did he? That can't be said about George W, can it?
Oh OK then, got it.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#138 Feb 27, 2013
Hummingbird 4 Real wrote:
<quoted text> He didn't inherit any economical melt down from them, did he? And he didn't cause a financial mess during his 8 years in office to hand over to the next president, now did he? That can't be said about George W, can it?
Every respected economist including the beloved liberal Paul Krugman blames the recession of 2008 on the housing market/banking issue. Are you suggesting that GW Bush caused the housing crisis? You should look a little further back to the slobbering Barney Frank and his gay buddy that wrote the rules and guidelines for Fannie and Freddy, by the way this took place during the Clinton administration.
Just Curious

Chicago, IL

#139 Feb 27, 2013
Hummingbird 4 Real wrote:
<quoted text>
For every action taken there is a reaction, or a consequence that will follow. Some of those consequences will be short-lived and others will be long-termed. Two wars and not paying for them, plus reducing revenue TWICE (giving 2 tax breaks) while those 2 wars are in full force, Medicare D, and bailing out Wall ST.. threw this economy into a tail-spin. This was done on Bush's watch, so why are you blaming Obama for it?
You say you teach your kids to take responsibility for their actions. Your insinuation that Obama needs to take responsibility for another man's poor decisions and/or Obama for not fixing Bush's mess quick enough could be compared to this analogy. Child A makes a mess in the kitchen, spills cereal and milk all over the floor, and drops dishes and breaks glasses, and makes the mess, and then Child B comes in and starts cleaning up Child A's mess. Then you, the parent walks in. You see Child B with the broken bowl in his hand, and the mess all over the floor, and because by this time Child A has left the room and is upstairs playing video games, you credit child B for the mess!. You instruct him to clean up his mess, but 20 minutes later, he's still busy mopping up milk, but you're not satisfied because you think he should have cleaned it up entirely in ten minutes tops, so you don't think he's trying hard enough and lecture him on talking responsibility for his mess!(which Child A left him and he didn't make!)
2 wars, 2 tax cuts, Medicare D, and bailing out Wall street before Bush left is going to take years to pay off the debt. It won't happen in OBama's presidency and it probably wont happen in the next 2 presidents terms---no matter if they are democrat or republican.
The best way to get yourself out of a hole is to quit digging, not dig deeper! This is what Obama is doing. I'm know he came in to a bad situation but he knew what he was getting in to, or did he. I would like to think he did but if you look at how he gets things through the house and senate, he doesn't know what's in it until after it passes.

Here's how I look at taking the reigns of the presidency. The first president gets a credit card with a zero balance, and the goal is to do what needs to be done, not what you want to be done, and then pass the card off to the next president with either a zero balance or as little balance as possible. I'll admit that Obama took over the card with a very high balance but he knew that and lied about how he would reduce that balance. Instead, all of the balance that was created by every president before him, he add more then all of them put together!

With that being said, can we blame the next president for the balance of the card when they take over or will we by the excuse that they didn't know what they were getting in to.

Sooner or later it ha to stop. It never will with this president. Nice try with the child analogy but like Obama telling his stories, it only works when your audience has no clue what is going on!
GBA

Saint Marys, OH

#140 Feb 27, 2013
DON W SOUTH wrote:
CLICK ON: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historic ...
Then click on: Table 7.1—Federal Debt at the End of Year: 1940–2017
You will see that the only "budget balancing heroes" are Harry Truman & Dwight Eisenhower. During these 2 presidents term (s)the national debt decreased in some of the years of their presidency.
However it increased under every year of the Clinton era. Now if the national debt increased each of the Clinton years, how can you honestly say "CLINTON BALANCED THE BUDGET.
Even diehards like Hummer, Ethel, the fake GBA, WOO, & other democrat/liberal apologists cannot refute these facts straight from the OMB at Washington DC.
As some, if not most liberals, will hesitate to make the 2 "clicks" necessary to view this info that will be a shock to them, I will attempt to copy & paste the info later.
DON W SOUTH
“I AGITATE LIBERALS”
Spot on Don. The little donkeys are lazy readers. They read a little bit and think they got the gist of the article or as in this case a table. Their hearing isn't any better. Guess that's why they can't get past sound bytes.
Mary Cherry

United States

#141 Feb 27, 2013
Hummingbird 4 Real wrote:
<quoted text> He didn't inherit any economical melt down from them, did he? And he didn't cause a financial mess during his 8 years in office to hand over to the next president, now did he? That can't be said about George W, can it?
You obviously know nothing about the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000.
GBA

Westerville, OH

#142 Feb 27, 2013
Wite_Out wrote:
<quoted text>Every respected economist including the beloved liberal Paul Krugman blames the recession of 2008 on the housing market/banking issue. Are you suggesting that GW Bush caused the housing crisis? You should look a little further back to the slobbering Barney Frank and his gay buddy that wrote the rules and guidelines for Fannie and Freddy, by the way this took place during the Clinton administration.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Republicans have control of the house then? I always thought it was Tom DeLay who pushed that legislation through.

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