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“ +IAN, AMERICAN, OHIOAN, BELLE”

Since: Sep 11

Bellefontaine, OH

#1 Dec 9, 2012
Unions vow political payback for right-to-work law
By By JOHN FLESHER | Associated Press – 1 hr 41 mins ago....Email0Share0
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.Associated Press/Paul Sancya - International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers members stand outside the capitol in Lansing, Friday, Dec. 7, 2012. Michigan could become the 24th state with a right-to-work law …more next week. Rules require a five-day wait before the House and Senate vote on each other's bills; lawmakers are scheduled to reconvene Tuesday and Gov.Snyder has pledged to sign the bills into law..Enlarge Photo.Com munity activist Lisa Fithian,…
....LANSING, Mich.(AP)— With defeat in the Michigan Legislature virtually certain, Democrats and organized labor intend to make enactment of right-to-work laws as uncomfortable as possible for Gov. Rick Snyder and his Republican allies while laying the groundwork to seek payback at the polls.
Shellshocked opponents of the laws spent the weekend mapping strategy for protests and acts of civil disobedience, while acknowledging the cold reality that Republican majorities in the House and Senate cannot be stopped — or even delayed for long by parliamentary maneuvers. Leaders vowed to resist to the end, and then set their sights on winning control of the Legislature and defeating Snyder when he seeks re-election in 2014.
"They've awakened a sleeping giant," United Auto Workers President Bob King told The Associated Press on Saturday at a Detroit-area union hall, where about 200 activists were attending a planning session. "Not just union members. A lot of regular citizens, non-union households, realize this is a negative thing."
Right-to-work laws prohibit requiring employees to join a union or pay fees similar to union dues as a condition of employment. Supporters say it's about freedom of association for workers and a better business climate. Critics contend the real intent is to bleed unions of money and bargaining power.
Hundreds of chanting, whistle-blowing demonstrators thronged the state Capitol last week as bills were introduced and approved hours later, without the usual committee hearings allowing for public comment. Even more protesters are expected Tuesday, when the two chambers may reconcile wording differences and send final versions to Snyder, who now pledges to sign them after saying repeatedly since his 2010 election the issue wasn't "on my agenda."
In Kalamazoo on Sunday, union protesters sang Christmas-themed songs attacking Snyder and Republican lawmakers and left a bag of coal outside the office of state Sen. Tonya Schuitmaker, a bill backer.
Republicans are betting any political damage will be short-lived. During a news conference with GOP leaders last week announcing their intent to press ahead with right-to-work measures, Snyder urged labor to accept the inevitable and focus on showing workers why union representation is in their best interest.
"Let's move forward, let's get a conclusion, let's get an answer and get something done so we can move on to other important issues in our state," he said.
On that point, at least, the governor won't get his way. Unions and their Democratic allies say this means war.
Allowing employees to opt out of financially supporting unions while enjoying the same wages and benefits as members undermines the foundation of organized labor, they contend. A UAW bulletin described it as "the worst anti-worker legislation Michigan has ever seen."
"You will forever remember the day when you thought you could conquer labor," Sen. Coleman Young II, a Detroit Democrat and son of the city's fiery late mayor, boomed during floor debate Thursday. "Be prepared to engage in the fight of your life."
But for all the defiant rhetoric, the opposition faces tough odds.

“ +IAN, AMERICAN, OHIOAN, BELLE”

Since: Sep 11

Bellefontaine, OH

#2 Dec 9, 2012
State law forbids repealing spending bills through referendums, and Republicans made the right-to-work measures immune by attaching a $1 million appropriation. So the only apparent way to nullify the policy, once enacted, will be to seize statehouse control through the ballot box.
Even after losing five House seats in November, Republicans will retain majorities in both chambers for the next two years — during which time they expect voter attention to turn to other topics. They redrew district lines in their favor after the 2010 Census, boosting their long-term prospects.
Also, as Snyder noted, fewer than 20 percent of Michigan workers are union members. Organized labor rolls and influence have declined in recent years, emboldening Republicans to challenge unions even in their historic Rust Belt stronghold.
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survived a recall attempt after curtailing collective bargaining for most public employees. After Indiana enacted a right-to-work law this year, voters in November gave Republicans a legislative majority so large they can conduct business without any Democrats present. Snyder and GOP lawmakers already had chipped away at Michigan union rights, even forbidding school districts from deducting dues from teachers' paychecks.
Another problem for opponents: Right-to-work has considerable voter support. A statewide phone survey of 600 likely voters conducted in late November by the Lansing firm EPIC-MRA found 54 percent favored the idea while just 40 percent opposed it, although they were evenly divided when asked whether Michigan should become the 24th state with such laws. The margin of error was plus or minus 4 percentage points.
Senate Majority Floor Leader Arlan Meekhof, straining to be heard over jeering opponents in the chamber's gallery, argued last week that by enacting right-to-work, "we are announcing to the world that we are moving Michigan forward. We are for workplace fairness and equality and we are for job creation."
To go up against all those obstacles, unions and Democrats will need solid organization, steadfastness and a persuasive case.
Democratic U.S. Rep. Sander Levin, who as a state legislator in the 1960s sponsored the labor law that right-to-work measures would overturn, called for a "massive education campaign" to remind voters of unions' role in building the middle class and explain how the new policy will weaken their ability to bargain for good wages and benefits.
"What's at stake is the cooperative, constructive labor-management relations that have ripened over the last 15 to 20 years," Levin said. "This governor is essentially saying that instead of collaboration, it's going to be dog-eat-dog."
Michigan Education Association President Steve Cook said Republicans pushed the one issue guaranteed to unite an often fractious labor movement.
Activists have filed a lawsuit claiming the state Open Meetings Act was violated when police temporarily barred doors to the Capitol during last week's debate. Other legal challenges are being considered, opponents said. Union members distributed leaflets Saturday at a college basketball game in the Upper Peninsula city of Marquette.
That's only the beginning, Cook said. While declining to discuss specific plans, he vowed labor would fight hard to unseat right-to-work supporters in 2014 and might try to recall some legislators even earlier.
"Whoever votes for this," Cook said, "is not going to have any peace for the next two years."
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Associated Press writer Ed White contributed to this report from Detroit.

“The party of whine”

Since: Mar 10

Belletucky

#3 Dec 9, 2012
"We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their
leaders in prison. We must reduce workers salaries and take away their
right to strike.” Hitler, May 2, 1933
observer

Bellefontaine, OH

#4 Dec 9, 2012
Jacques Strape wrote:
"We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their
leaders in prison. We must reduce workers salaries and take away their
right to strike.” Hitler, May 2, 1933
hope and change 2008. forward 2012.

Since: Oct 10

Loveland, OH

#5 Dec 9, 2012
Jacques Strape wrote:
"We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their
leaders in prison. We must reduce workers salaries and take away their
right to strike.” Hitler, May 2, 1933
None of which is happening in Michigan or any right to work state. Its only folks like you that want to force people to pay dues and belong to things that they would prefer not to. Actually you sound more like Hiter than they do.

“The party of whine”

Since: Mar 10

Belletucky

#6 Dec 9, 2012
thud333 wrote:
<quoted text>
None of which is happening in Michigan or any right to work state. Its only folks like you that want to force people to pay dues and belong to things that they would prefer not to. Actually you sound more like Hiter than they do.
You're still as dumb as you ever was. Right to work is BS and the only people who benefit from it are corporations.
I don't belong to a union but I support workers rights. Right to work states are low paying job states. If you don't believe me go have a look.
How does me quoting Hitler, make me sound like Hitler?

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#7 Dec 9, 2012
Jacques Strape wrote:
<quoted text> You're still as dumb as you ever was.
Speaks for itself.

“ +IAN, AMERICAN, OHIOAN, BELLE”

Since: Sep 11

Bellefontaine, OH

#8 Dec 10, 2012
Jacques Strape wrote:
<quoted text> You're still as dumb as you ever was. Right to work is BS and the only people who benefit from it are corporations.
I don't belong to a union but I support workers rights. Right to work states are low paying job states. If you don't believe me go have a look.
How does me quoting Hitler, make me sound like Hitler?
"The big lie." "Repeat a lie often enough & people will believe you." Adolph Hitler "You're still as dumb as you ever 'WAS'." Your grammar makes your accusatory sentence accurate
about you.
Grandpa Jones

Bellefontaine, OH

#9 Dec 10, 2012
DON W SOUTH wrote:
<quoted text>"The big lie." "Repeat a lie often enough & people will believe you." Adolph Hitler "You're still as dumb as you ever 'WAS'." Your grammar makes your accusatory sentence accurate
about you.
He can't even spell 's-t-r-a-p'

“The party of whine”

Since: Mar 10

Belletucky

#10 Dec 10, 2012
You people are silly, I know exactly what I'm writing and why.

Don you should never make fun of anyone considering your atrocious spelling and grammer.

Grandpa Jones, if you ever had an intelligent thought it, was probably to remember to pick up toilet paper at Walmart.

Same as it ever was.

Ethel, maybe you need a vacation from topix. You're no fun anymore.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#11 Dec 10, 2012
Jacques Strape wrote:
You people are silly, I know exactly what I'm writing and why.
Don you should never make fun of anyone considering your atrocious spelling and grammer.
Grandpa Jones, if you ever had an intelligent thought it, was probably to remember to pick up toilet paper at Walmart.
Same as it ever was.
Ethel, maybe you need a vacation from topix. You're no fun anymore.
I'll think about it.

But you are making yourself look silly.....it's spelled "grammar."

:)

“The party of whine”

Since: Mar 10

Belletucky

#12 Dec 10, 2012
Ethel K wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll think about it.
But you are making yourself look silly.....it's spelled "grammar."
:)
That's how Don spells it, keep up.

Since: Oct 10

Loveland, OH

#14 Dec 10, 2012
Jacques Strape wrote:
<quoted text> You're still as dumb as you ever was. Right to work is BS and the only people who benefit from it are corporations.
I don't belong to a union but I support workers rights. Right to work states are low paying job states. If you don't believe me go have a look.
How does me quoting Hitler, make me sound like Hitler?
Because like Hitler, you want to force people to do something they may not want to.

If you supported workers then you would support their right to belong or not belong to a union and to pay dues or not pay dues. Its called freedom to choose. Case in point - Wisconsin. When teachers were not forced to have union dues taken from their pay, but given the ability to pay or not pay them, they have chosen the latter in many cases. Why - because for them union dues are not value added. Put another way, they didn't feel the union representated them, their views or what they believed.

Unions as they exist today are antiquated. They are primarily hotbeds for socialists, not in the membership so much as its leadership. Labor laws were meant to allow unions to organize, not to assist them in doing so. Like anything in the marketplace, if they had a good product, people would be flocking to join them but they only offer slogans and are no longer value added. In the past they have protected workers that should have been fired, featherbedded, etc. They didn't come by the name union goons by accident.

That being said, if they partnered with companies, trying to understand what they need to be competitive and looked for ways to make them profitable with an agreement that they would share in the proceeds rather than being the confrontational group of thugs they have proven themselves to be in the past, then perhaps people would give them a 2nd look.

“ +IAN, AMERICAN, OHIOAN, BELLE”

Since: Sep 11

Bellefontaine, OH

#15 Dec 10, 2012
Jacques Strape wrote:
"We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their
leaders in prison. We must reduce workers salaries and take away their
right to strike.” Hitler, May 2, 1933
JS: In my steady of Hitler & his Third REICH, I don't recall Hitler saying what you claim. In fact, it sounds as though the quote came from some union publication. Please let us know the source for your quote.

Then, too, to mix Hitler up with the constitutionally elected members of the Michigan State Assembly, is an insult not only to those very legislators, but also to those citizens who elected them. You owe them an apology.

See below:
by Brooks Bayne in "THE GRAPH" under Articles

And here’s Hitler’s own words from his book, Mein Kampf:

"I think that I have already answered the first question adequately. In the present state of affairs I am convinced that we cannot possibly dispense with the trades unions. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions in the economic life of the nation. Not only are they important in the sphere of social policy but also, and even more so, in the national political sphere. For when the great masses of a nation see their vital needs satisfied through a just trade unionist movement the stamina of the whole nation in its struggle for existence will be enormously reinforced thereby.

Before everything else, the trades unions are necessary as building stones for the future economic parliament, which will be made up of chambers representing the various professions and occupations."
Yet another leftist urban myth busted!

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#16 Dec 10, 2012
thud333 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because like Hitler, you want to force people to do something they may not want to.
If you supported workers then you would support their right to belong or not belong to a union and to pay dues or not pay dues. Its called freedom to choose.
This kinda sounds like your partys stance on abortion.
And your second paragraph was just...well...retarded.

“The US founders were Deists”

Since: May 09

Any Town USA

#17 Dec 10, 2012
The right to work for less money.

“ +IAN, AMERICAN, OHIOAN, BELLE”

Since: Sep 11

Bellefontaine, OH

#18 Dec 10, 2012
kama sutra 69 wrote:
The right to work for less money.
If UNIONS are so great, wouldn't everyone want to belong? What's the beef here?

“The US founders were Deists”

Since: May 09

Any Town USA

#19 Dec 10, 2012
DON W SOUTH wrote:
<quoted text>
If UNIONS are so great, wouldn't everyone want to belong? What's the beef here?
Why didn't the voters have a chance to vote on this? This was not on the ballot. More GOP cramming their anti union legislation down everyone's throats like they did in Ohio and Wisconsin except it was voted down in Ohio. Republicans are nothing more than a bunch of criminals with an agenda to serve the rich.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#20 Dec 10, 2012
Hmm. We have had this conversation before, haven't we? Every time unions are brought up, it is the same thing.

So I will say the same thing I have said before. Unions were formed for the good of the American blue collar worker, and with good reason. They served a good purpose.

And today, they have outlived their usefulness.

“The US founders were Deists”

Since: May 09

Any Town USA

#21 Dec 10, 2012
Ethel K wrote:
Hmm. We have had this conversation before, haven't we? Every time unions are brought up, it is the same thing.
So I will say the same thing I have said before. Unions were formed for the good of the American blue collar worker, and with good reason. They served a good purpose.
And today, they have outlived their usefulness.
That's a nice opinion but you're wrong.

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