GOP fading into obscurity?

GOP fading into obscurity?

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Zen Dude

Buckeye Lake, OH

#1 Dec 27, 2012
Former Bush aide Mark McKinnon on the incredible shrinking Republican Party: "Increasingly, it is becoming clear that the party is against everything and for nothing.

"Nothing on taxes. Nothing on gun control. Nothing on climate change. Nothing on gay marriage. Nothing on immigration reform (or an incremental, piece-by-piece approach, which will result in nothing). It's a very odd situation when the losing party is the party refusing to negotiate. It may be how you disrupt, but it is not how you govern, or how you ever hope to regain a majority.

"And so, we have a Republican Party today willing to eliminate any prospect for a decent future for anyone, including itself, if it cannot be a future that is 100 percent in accordance with its core beliefs and principles. That's not governing. That's just lobbing hand grenades. If you're only standing on principle to appear taller, then you appear smaller. And the GOP is shrinking daily before our eyes."

“Think It Over”

Since: Jan 10

Marysville, OH

#2 Dec 27, 2012
GOP blocked bills:
Blocked bill to aid Small Business
Blocked Unemployment extension
Blocked Bank Reform Bills
Blocked Campaign Finance Reform and open Contributions Law
Blocked MULTIPLE Jobs Bills
Blocked Infrastructure Bill
Blocked Ending Tax Breaks for companies that Outsource Jobs
Blocked Wall Street Reform
Blocked Energy Legislation
Blocked Mine Safety Bill
Blocked Oil Spill Liability Cap increase
Blocked Bill to lower Oil Company Tax Breaks
Blocked Bill to impose charging American Oil Companies on Oil achieved in the Gulf

Number of TRUE Jobs Bills even allowed to come to a vote in the House....NONE.

“Think It Over”

Since: Jan 10

Marysville, OH

#3 Dec 27, 2012
It seems that the GOP is doing everything it can to protect the wealth of the 1 percent while destroying everything designed to help the 99 percent. They are:

Disrespecting Disabled Veterans Rights

Attacking Social Security

Holding the Middle Class Tax Hostage

Pushing Economy Over Cliff

Stomping on the Jobs Bill

Slaughtering Women's Rights

Kicking Minority Rights

Suppressing Marriage Rights for All

Raping Medicare

Making a Mockery of the Educational System

Ravaging Everything Union

Killing the Farm Bill

.All while protecting the wealth of the few
Debbie

United States

#4 Dec 27, 2012
Brain Drain wrote:
It seems that the GOP is doing everything it can to protect the wealth of the 1 percent while destroying everything designed to help the 99 percent. They are:
Disrespecting Disabled Veterans Rights
Attacking Social Security
Holding the Middle Class Tax Hostage
Pushing Economy Over Cliff
Stomping on the Jobs Bill
Slaughtering Women's Rights
Kicking Minority Rights
Suppressing Marriage Rights for All
Raping Medicare
Making a Mockery of the Educational System
Ravaging Everything Union
Killing the Farm Bill
.All while protecting the wealth of the few
If the republicans cut SS disability and Medicare I wonder if Don and GBA will still vote republican?

I'd like to know how much they are cutting from the military too.

“The US founders were Deists”

Since: May 09

Any Town USA

#5 Dec 27, 2012
BREAKING: Koch brothers warn that higher taxes on them would force them to layoff as many as a half dozen Congressmen.

Since: Oct 10

Loveland, OH

#6 Dec 27, 2012
I"m lovin' all this gloating. Let talk in about a year or so. Remember - they said Obama was toast after 2010.

If most predictions are true, we are about to enter into another lousy year of economic growth - and with Obama wanting to take us over the cliff because he thinks the Republicans will get blamed, it may be worse than expected. Oh, yea - the Republicans may take the initial hit but the voting public is pretty much full of folks who pay little attention and have very short memories and a year from now, in a lousy economy they will again start pointing the finger where it belongs - to a President and a party that refuses to face the realities that spending is the problem as depicted by the posters here. You see, after a time, even children quit believing in Santa Claus - but I would imagine you guys never.

“ A TRUMPSTER”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#7 Dec 28, 2012
thud333 wrote:
I"m lovin' all this gloating. Let talk in about a year or so. Remember - they said Obama was toast after 2010.
If most predictions are true, we are about to enter into another lousy year of economic growth - and with Obama wanting to take us over the cliff because he thinks the Republicans will get blamed, it may be worse than expected. Oh, yea - the Republicans may take the initial hit but the voting public is pretty much full of folks who pay little attention and have very short memories and a year from now, in a lousy economy they will again start pointing the finger where it belongs - to a President and a party that refuses to face the realities that spending is the problem as depicted by the posters here. You see, after a time, even children quit believing in Santa Claus - but I would imagine you guys never.
This conversation takes place after most every election. Sometimes the chatter class has even talked about the demise of the democrat party after some of their defeats. If history is any indication, we have a 2 party system, and will continue to be a 2 party system.
It's so ingrained in the American DNA, as is +ian princples & football, just to name a couple.

“The party of whine”

Since: Mar 10

Belletucky

#8 Dec 28, 2012
DON W SOUTH wrote:
<quoted text>
This conversation takes place after most every election. Sometimes the chatter class has even talked about the demise of the democrat party after some of their defeats. If history is any indication, we have a 2 party system, and will continue to be a 2 party system.
It's so ingrained in the American DNA, as is +ian princples & football, just to name a couple.
It's a Republican who is saying it not a Dem.

“ A TRUMPSTER”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#9 Dec 28, 2012
Jacques Strape wrote:
<quoted text> It's a Republican who is saying it not a Dem.
OK, but why does it matter "who" says it? "ALTHOUGH ITS BEEN SAID MANY TIMES, MANY PLACE," it has never happened. I can give you the "history," if you need it to understand.

“The party of whine”

Since: Mar 10

Belletucky

#10 Dec 28, 2012
DON W SOUTH wrote:
<quoted text>OK, but why does it matter "who" says it? "ALTHOUGH ITS BEEN SAID MANY TIMES, MANY PLACE," it has never happened. I can give you the "history," if you need it to understand.
You're missing the point as usual, this is what you're own party is saying, this is their assessment, He's saying that unless his party makes some major changes it doesn't have much of a chance to survive. It seems as if everyone sees this, except for maybe you. The GOP has to become more inclusive to survive.
Debbie

United States

#11 Dec 28, 2012
DON W SOUTH wrote:
<quoted text>
This conversation takes place after most every election. Sometimes the chatter class has even talked about the demise of the democrat party after some of their defeats. If history is any indication, we have a 2 party system, and will continue to be a 2 party system.
It's so ingrained in the American DNA, as is +ian princples & football, just to name a couple.
Youre in denial.
Debbie

United States

#12 Dec 28, 2012
There will be a Republican Party but it won't look anything like the current group.

“ A TRUMPSTER”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#13 Dec 28, 2012
Jacques Strape wrote:
<quoted text> You're missing the point as usual, this is what you're own party is saying, this is their assessment, He's saying that unless his party makes some major changes it doesn't have much of a chance to survive. It seems as if everyone sees this, except for maybe you. The GOP has to become more inclusive to survive.
Since u r a lib, why do u care what happens to the GOP? Not good to tell an opponent what he's doing wrong. He might believe you & correct it. But, couldn't it be u that's "missing the point? The changes you claim u want the reps to make, would be to make the party more like the demos. If the reps become "more "democrat," why would anyone vote for them. A voter might just as well stick with the demo, the guy he knows, than switch to another candidate that he does not know, who says what the dermos are doing it great, but "us repubs can do it better."
Once again, the two party system is sooo ingrained in the American DNA, that, for one party that loses an election or two, to just fade away will most likely happen "when shrimps learn to whistle.

By the way, how many election have u won?

“ A TRUMPSTER”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#14 Dec 28, 2012
Debbie wrote:
<quoted text>
Youre in denial.
Since u r a lib, why do u care what happens to the GOP? Not good to tell an opponent what he's doing wrong. He might believe you & correct it. But, couldn't it be u that's "missing the point? The changes you claim u want the reps to make, would be to make the party more like the demos. If the reps become "more "democrat," why would anyone vote for them. A voter might just as well stick with the demo, the guy he knows, than switch to another candidate that he does not know, who says what the dermos are doing it great, but "us repubs can do it better."
Once again, the two party system is sooo ingrained in the American DNA, that, for one party that loses an election or two, to just fade away will most likely happen "when shrimps learn to whistle.

By the way, how many election have u won?

Since: Oct 10

Loveland, OH

#15 Dec 28, 2012
Zen Dude wrote:
Former Bush aide Mark McKinnon on the incredible shrinking Republican Party: "Increasingly, it is becoming clear that the party is against everything and for nothing.
"Nothing on taxes. Nothing on gun control. Nothing on climate change. Nothing on gay marriage. Nothing on immigration reform (or an incremental, piece-by-piece approach, which will result in nothing). It's a very odd situation when the losing party is the party refusing to negotiate. It may be how you disrupt, but it is not how you govern, or how you ever hope to regain a majority.
"And so, we have a Republican Party today willing to eliminate any prospect for a decent future for anyone, including itself, if it cannot be a future that is 100 percent in accordance with its core beliefs and principles. That's not governing. That's just lobbing hand grenades. If you're only standing on principle to appear taller, then you appear smaller. And the GOP is shrinking daily before our eyes."
Well now lets look at this - nothing on taxes? Hardly, Boehner conceded on taxes, either in taxing millionaires and closing loopholes. What hasn't happened is on the Democratic side - nothing on spending. Nothing, nada, zero. Nothing on gun control? So? The left wants these feel good measures passed that they themselves admit will probably not make a bit if difference except of course making them "feel" better and we all know that the left is nothing but "feelings". Nothing on gay marriage? This is something the left has trouble understanding because it has to do with firmly held beliefs and principles that marriage is between a man and a woman. Gee - what a radical view, its only been held by civilization after civilization for centuries and centuries.

Here we have an "inside the beltway" Republican and you are quoting him as being a guru? Heck, you folks hated George W and now your saying his aides are oh so wise?

The Republican party has some rethinking to do, especially with Latinos and I think they are doable. The message of economic opportunity resonates well with them and many other such groups, something the Democractic party is totally unfamiliar with and in perception seems to oppose. Considering the added regulations, Obamacare, Dodd/Frank and the EPA, there are enough impediments in the way of economic recovery. Add to that Europe's problem, the very place Obama wants to mirror, and I believe it would be good to have a party in place that actually takes fiscal issues seriously and that really cares about the economy as opposed to the President and all his men who are only interested in raising taxes - and then after that raise some more taxes....and then after than go further into debt. Its expensive to be Santa!

Smart people are noticing that we are reaching the debt ceiling limit much earlier than anticipated which indicates we are spending at a faster clip than what many think. That also means we are approaching our "Greece" moment quicker; but, I know that doesn't worry you folks on the left. No amount of spending does and of course you think we're invinsible and the country's economy could never, ever fail...but then again, that what the folks at GM and Chrysler thought, that's what Greece and Spain thought...but so what - just keep on keepin' on
Zen Dude

Buckeye Lake, OH

#16 Dec 28, 2012
thud333 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well now lets look at this - nothing on taxes? Hardly, Boehner conceded on taxes, either in taxing millionaires and closing loopholes. What hasn't happened is on the Democratic side - nothing on spending. Nothing, nada, zero. Nothing on gun control? So? The left wants these feel good measures passed that they themselves admit will probably not make a bit if difference except of course making them "feel" better and we all know that the left is nothing but "feelings". Nothing on gay marriage? This is something the left has trouble understanding because it has to do with firmly held beliefs and principles that marriage is between a man and a woman. Gee - what a radical view, its only been held by civilization after civilization for centuries and centuries.
Here we have an "inside the beltway" Republican and you are quoting him as being a guru? Heck, you folks hated George W and now your saying his aides are oh so wise?
The Republican party has some rethinking to do, especially with Latinos and I think they are doable. The message of economic opportunity resonates well with them and many other such groups, something the Democractic party is totally unfamiliar with and in perception seems to oppose. Considering the added regulations, Obamacare, Dodd/Frank and the EPA, there are enough impediments in the way of economic recovery. Add to that Europe's problem, the very place Obama wants to mirror, and I believe it would be good to have a party in place that actually takes fiscal issues seriously and that really cares about the economy as opposed to the President and all his men who are only interested in raising taxes - and then after that raise some more taxes....and then after than go further into debt. Its expensive to be Santa!
Smart people are noticing that we are reaching the debt ceiling limit much earlier than anticipated which indicates we are spending at a faster clip than what many think. That also means we are approaching our "Greece" moment quicker; but, I know that doesn't worry you folks on the left. No amount of spending does and of course you think we're invinsible and the country's economy could never, ever fail...but then again, that what the folks at GM and Chrysler thought, that's what Greece and Spain thought...but so what - just keep on keepin' on
You sure like to twist the facts don't you? Apparently you only agree with the Republicans that you don't like .Guru? Please it was a news article. Your post doesn't make a lot of sense. Obama won the election, the American people want a higher tax rates for the rich, they also don't want SS or Medicare touched.
The debt ceiling is paying for what congress has already approved, yes a Republican congress. It's stupid and childish the game they play with it. How many times do you go into a restaurant and refuse to pay the bill after you've eaten?

Greece? You can't compare our economy to Greece, that's just silly.

It's not about the deficit, it's about jobs. Austerity hasn't helped Europe, it's hurt their economy.

Your tea party is dying. I look for the GOP to reinvent its self in a broader less ideological way.

Was it John Adams who said ideologies were for idiots?

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#17 Dec 28, 2012
thud333 wrote:
I"m lovin' all this gloating. Let talk in about a year or so. Remember - they said Obama was toast after 2010.
If most predictions are true, we are about to enter into another lousy year of economic growth - and with Obama wanting to take us over the cliff because he thinks the Republicans will get blamed, it may be worse than expected. Oh, yea - the Republicans may take the initial hit but the voting public is pretty much full of folks who pay little attention and have very short memories and a year from now, in a lousy economy they will again start pointing the finger where it belongs - to a President and a party that refuses to face the realities that spending is the problem as depicted by the posters here. You see, after a time, even children quit believing in Santa Claus - but I would imagine you guys never.
Mr. Thud, I do not think you are loving the gloating at all. You never thought Obama would win. If Romney would have won, the tea party members that reside on this site would have been having a free for all. Just look at South & Pollster, for instance. Even though their guy lost, they still mostly post garbage & anti Obama stuff. If Romney would have won, their trash would have been times ten.

As far as Santa goes....the tea party still believes. They believe in an America that does not exist. And that is also a group that has issues with reality.
The voting public does pay attention, which is another reason why Romney lost.
Sandie

Bellefontaine, OH

#18 Dec 28, 2012
thud333 wrote:
I"m lovin' all this gloating. Let talk in about a year or so. Remember - they said Obama was toast after 2010.
If most predictions are true, we are about to enter into another lousy year of economic growth - and with Obama wanting to take us over the cliff because he thinks the Republicans will get blamed, it may be worse than expected. Oh, yea - the Republicans may take the initial hit but the voting public is pretty much full of folks who pay little attention and have very short memories and a year from now, in a lousy economy they will again start pointing the finger where it belongs - to a President and a party that refuses to face the realities that spending is the problem as depicted by the posters here. You see, after a time, even children quit believing in Santa Claus - but I would imagine you guys never.
It seems I heard "it's the economy, stupid," quite alot as the reason why President Obama would never be re-elected. We also heard that since unemployment was so high that this would be another reason why he wouldn't be re-elected. Apparently people didn't have as short of memories as many of those on the right counted on. Perhaps you underestimate American people too much, and don't realize they are watching very closely which party is blocking any progress being made for the benefit of the American people.
Debbie

Canton, OH

#19 Dec 28, 2012
DON W SOUTH wrote:
<quoted text>
Since u r a lib, why do u care what happens to the GOP? Not good to tell an opponent what he's doing wrong. He might believe you & correct it. But, couldn't it be u that's "missing the point? The changes you claim u want the reps to make, would be to make the party more like the demos. If the reps become "more "democrat," why would anyone vote for them. A voter might just as well stick with the demo, the guy he knows, than switch to another candidate that he does not know, who says what the dermos are doing it great, but "us repubs can do it better."
Once again, the two party system is sooo ingrained in the American DNA, that, for one party that loses an election or two, to just fade away will most likely happen "when shrimps learn to whistle.
By the way, how many election have u won?
I'm a republican
Sandie

Bellefontaine, OH

#20 Dec 28, 2012
Debbie wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm a republican
I like traditional republicans! Don't have to agree on everything to compromise and do what's best for this country,

Speaker of the House, Tip O'Neill (democrat) said this concerning Reagan in 1982:

" The president and I do not belong to the same political party. We do not share the same philosophy. In fact, we seldom agree.
But we do share something together: a deep love for this country and a deep concern for its future. We are together because we know that if the economy of this nation is not strong and not vigorous, its citizens are going to suffer."

Democrats always have compromised and worked with the Republican president in the best interest of their country, not because of their loyalty to a leftist Norquist or a t-party crowd, or concerns for being re-elected..
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