PA Republican Admits Voter ID Laws me...

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Since: Apr 12

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#41 Jun 27, 2012
thud333 wrote:
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You basically just confirmed that you've done absolutely no statistical research on this and are just flying by the seat of your pants when you say thousands. I have a 95 year old mother who no longer drives. When I talked with the BMV and told her I wasn't sure I could transport her there they said they would make an appointment to come to her. The cost for the ID is $8.50. Does the working poor work 24/7? Does the working poor find time to take a day off to register a car or get plates at the BMV? Of course they do. Then why shouldn't there be an expectation that they get an ID to vote? What I hear you saying is that its all right to expect folks to have an ID to file for assistance, receive food stamps, drive a car, get alcohol, etc but when it comes to voting, ah what the heck...just show up.
Well, I have tomorrow off work so I'm sure you won't mind if I just don't take your word for it but call the BMV myself and ask if they really do make "house-calls," now will you?

What makes you believe that all the poor even have cars? I guess you never lived in the big cities where people get to work everyday using public transit. And, I sure know many working poor here in this very community who hitch rides to work with their buddies because they can't afford to buy a car, repair it and keep it maintained, let alone buy insurance. I'm so sorry it is hard for you to project your mind outside your own personal and fortunate little life long enough to imagine how hard others may have it even if your life seems all sunshine and lollipops. Oh well.

Since: Feb 09

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#42 Jun 27, 2012
Charlie Woo wrote:
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Well, I have tomorrow off work so I'm sure you won't mind if I just don't take your word for it but call the BMV myself and ask if they really do make "house-calls," now will you?
What makes you believe that all the poor even have cars? I guess you never lived in the big cities where people get to work everyday using public transit. And, I sure know many working poor here in this very community who hitch rides to work with their buddies because they can't afford to buy a car, repair it and keep it maintained, let alone buy insurance. I'm so sorry it is hard for you to project your mind outside your own personal and fortunate little life long enough to imagine how hard others may have it even if your life seems all sunshine and lollipops. Oh well.
As I said earlier, there are plenty of groups that would be willing to provide transportation to get a state ID.

To address earlier posts, a birth certificate can be obtained from the county they were born in, via the health department (or whatever it is called in a particular state).

We have a little more than 4 months to vote. There is plenty of time to save the money (in states where ID's cost) and arrange for transportation. This is NOT a secret in states that require photo ID's to vote. It is in the newspapers and on the local newscasts. We will hear more about it as we get closer to the election, as political parties start mailing out campaign ads highlighting this. I do not want to hear anyone bellyaching
about not knowing the laws of their state on election day.

Since: Oct 10

Loveland, OH

#43 Jun 27, 2012
Charlie Woo wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I have tomorrow off work so I'm sure you won't mind if I just don't take your word for it but call the BMV myself and ask if they really do make "house-calls," now will you?
What makes you believe that all the poor even have cars? I guess you never lived in the big cities where people get to work everyday using public transit. And, I sure know many working poor here in this very community who hitch rides to work with their buddies because they can't afford to buy a car, repair it and keep it maintained, let alone buy insurance. I'm so sorry it is hard for you to project your mind outside your own personal and fortunate little life long enough to imagine how hard others may have it even if your life seems all sunshine and lollipops. Oh well.
And what makes you believe they don't? Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. Nearly three-fourths have a car or truck, and 31 percent have two or more. Two-thirds have cable or satellite TV. Half have one or more computers. Forty-two percent own their homes. The average poor American has more living space than the typical non-poor person in Sweden, France or the U.K. Ninety-six percent of poor parents stated that their children were never hungry during the year because they couldn't afford food. Now I'm not saying they live in the lap of luxury but the poor of this country have much more than many other countries. Add to that that you continue to ignore the reality that when they need to, the poor seem able to get all the necessary paperwork and IDs together to receive government assistance. I am not unsympathetic to the poor but all you offer them is pity. It seems you want to maintain low expectations of them or simply feel sorry but offer nothing whatsoever other than charity and pity. Most poor don't want that. As for the BMV, I contacted them, told them my mother was incapable of making it in and asked if we could use her old license photo. They said no and would need to make an appt to come out to see her if that were the case. Call who you will - it happened - Shelby County.

Since: Sep 11

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#44 Jun 27, 2012
Charlie Woo wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I have tomorrow off work so I'm sure you won't mind if I just don't take your word for it but call the BMV myself and ask if they really do make "house-calls," now will you?
What makes you believe that all the poor even have cars? I guess you never lived in the big cities where people get to work everyday using public transit. And, I sure know many working poor here in this very community who hitch rides to work with their buddies because they can't afford to buy a car, repair it and keep it maintained, let alone buy insurance. I'm so sorry it is hard for you to project your mind outside your own personal and fortunate little life long enough to imagine how hard others may have it even if your life seems all sunshine and lollipops. Oh well.
Thud is correct. The cost is $8.50. My wife doesn't drive, so she has a State ID. That was the cost when she got hers.

http://www.dmv.org/oh-ohio/id-cards.php

Since: Oct 10

Loveland, OH

#45 Jun 27, 2012
Michelle Shocked wrote:
A real patriot would want everyone to vote and would be sickened by this obvious attempt to suppress the vote of anyone. Just another reason to question the integrity of the new GOP.
What a bunch of crooks.
Obama/Biden 2012
Its fun to see the tools in here trying to make this immoral behavior believably necessary. I think anyone involved with the tp should need to pass a civics/history/sanity exam to vote.
Gee Michelle - I don't know how you can speak of integrity, immoral behavior or a real patriot because you don't qualify on any of those counts and certainly can't speak to them with any authority. All we see from you is angry nastiness - not exactly the traits of one with the traits mentioned

Since: Sep 11

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#46 Jun 27, 2012
Hiker and Thud. Don't even waste your time with these Libs on this subject unless you have time to kill. The OP has already started the "stealing an election" thing 4 months before the election happens. They claimed Bush stole two elections because their side didn't win. It took a long time after the first election of Bush before we knew who had won because of their crap over Florida "chads". They can't take a loss of any kind. It has to be the fault of someone else when they lose.

The two of you have given the Libs here just about all of the reasonable things anyone should need. The bad thing is that they ASSUME all of the poor and minorities are Democrats. Rather hypocritical of them, don't you think since it sounds like they are only worried about their "vote" and not their financial state? I know some people who would be considered "poor". They are Republicans and they do what it takes to make their vote count. I am from a very small family, but my in-law side is rather large. They would definitely be considered poor. Out of this large group, only one is even registered to vote.

Before you Libs try to spin it, "I don't even care. Just shut up."

Since: Sep 11

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#47 Jun 27, 2012
Are you serious?! I got judged as "nuts, clueless and disagree" after posting a link that confirmed the price of a State ID along with my personal experience with getting one for my wife. Wow. Libs are still proving their childishness. Rock on, little children.

“If Republicans win,”

Since: Oct 11

We all get PLUCKED!

#48 Jun 27, 2012
Bellefontaine Forum wrote:
Hiker and Thud. Don't even waste your time with these Libs on this subject unless you have time to kill. The OP has already started the "stealing an election" thing 4 months before the election happens. They claimed Bush stole two elections because their side didn't win. It took a long time after the first election of Bush before we knew who had won because of their crap over Florida "chads". They can't take a loss of any kind. It has to be the fault of someone else when they lose.
The two of you have given the Libs here just about all of the reasonable things anyone should need. The bad thing is that they ASSUME all of the poor and minorities are Democrats. Rather hypocritical of them, don't you think since it sounds like they are only worried about their "vote" and not their financial state? I know some people who would be considered "poor". They are Republicans and they do what it takes to make their vote count. I am from a very small family, but my in-law side is rather large. They would definitely be considered poor. Out of this large group, only one is even registered to vote.
Before you Libs try to spin it, "I don't even care. Just shut up."
Whhaaaa, whaaa, whaaaa,whaaa,wha, God you are so lame. You always have to stick your nose in every conversation without really contributing to the subject by getting all uppity and castagate your repub buddies by telling them not to bother wasting their time with libs as if you actually think Democrats are inferior and aren't allowed to express their right of free speech if it does agree with your conservative views. Gawd, you are pathetic.

“If Republicans win,”

Since: Oct 11

We all get PLUCKED!

#49 Jun 27, 2012
Bellefontaine Forum wrote:
<quoted text>Thud is correct. The cost is $8.50. My wife doesn't drive, so she has a State ID. That was the cost when she got hers.
http://www.dmv.org/oh-ohio/id-cards.php
There ya go again......sticking your nose in where it doesn't belong. Furthermore, you don't even pay enough attention to what was written to be qualified to interfere. Woo was not doubting the price of an ID, but as to whether the BMV really makes house-calls. Why do you think you must always give your 2 cents on every post people write, or be a cheer-leader for the people you like? Ypu act lke you think you are a room monitor or something! Gawd, GIRL, get real.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#50 Jun 27, 2012
Oh Pluck It wrote:
<quoted text>
Whhaaaa, whaaa, whaaaa,whaaa,wha, God you are so lame. You always have to stick your nose in every conversation without really contributing to the subject by getting all uppity and castagate your repub buddies by telling them not to bother wasting their time with libs as if you actually think Democrats are inferior and aren't allowed to express their right of free speech if it does agree with your conservative views. Gawd, you are pathetic.
I did contribute in the 2nd paragraph. Sorry you didn't "get it". You, on the other hand, contributed nothing in your reply to me. Sorry about your bad luck. Shut up.

“If Republicans win,”

Since: Oct 11

We all get PLUCKED!

#51 Jun 27, 2012
What is the percentage of voter fraud Righties? You will never give the answer because it will prove you are passing these laws to suppress the vote.

This is the same party that told us that drug testing welfare recipients would save states billions because they were so sure a huge percentage of those recipients were using.

How well did that turn out? Rethugians are such professionals with fear-mongering!

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#52 Jun 27, 2012
Oh Pluck It wrote:
<quoted text>
There ya go again......sticking your nose in where it doesn't belong. Furthermore, you don't even pay enough attention to what was written to be qualified to interfere. Woo was not doubting the price of an ID, but as to whether the BMV really makes house-calls. Why do you think you must always give your 2 cents on every post people write, or be a cheer-leader for the people you like? Ypu act lke you think you are a room monitor or something! Gawd, GIRL, get real.
I'll give this one to you. After re-reading it, I see what you mean. I was wrong.

See how easy that is to admit a fault.

By the way, this is a public forum. I am butting in no more than you with your response to me.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#53 Jun 27, 2012
Oh Pluck It wrote:
What is the percentage of voter fraud Righties? You will never give the answer because it will prove you are passing these laws to suppress the vote.
This is the same party that told us that drug testing welfare recipients would save states billions because they were so sure a huge percentage of those recipients were using.
How well did that turn out? Rethugians are such professionals with fear-mongering!
Hey, dumbazz. Do you even know that there is no constitutional "right" to vote in a Presidential election? That's right. Voting in a Presidential election is a privilege. Voting is a right in other elections, but not in the Presidential election.

Stacys Mom

Zanesville, OH

#54 Jun 27, 2012
Bellefontaine Forum wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, dumbazz. Do you even know that there is no constitutional "right" to vote in a Presidential election? That's right. Voting in a Presidential election is a privilege. Voting is a right in other elections, but not in the Presidential election.
I agree with the pluck it guy. You never know when to quit. WTF does your comment above have to do with the subject of this thread? Do you think you are impressing anyone with your make believe toughness? Your come-backs sound like something that would come from a first grader's mouth. The dumbazz turns out not to be Pluck It, but you!
Stacys Mom

Zanesville, OH

#55 Jun 27, 2012
Bellefontaine Forum wrote:
<quoted text>I'll give this one to you. After re-reading it, I see what you mean. I was wrong.
See how easy that is to admit a fault.
By the way, this is a public forum. I am butting in no more than you with your response to me.
I agree, he was doing to you what you do every night to every democrat that posts on here. Just like a lot of other people, I imagine he was getting tired of your childishness too. You just got a taste of your own medicine, so how do you feel? Be smart and learn a lesson with dignity!
Stacys Mom

Bellefontaine, OH

#56 Jun 27, 2012
I'm flattered, but wish you would get your own name - azzhole.
Jir Cough

Bellefontaine, OH

#57 Jun 28, 2012
Bellefontaine Forum wrote:
Hiker and Thud. Don't even waste your time with these Libs on this subject unless you have time to kill. The OP has already started the "stealing an election" thing 4 months before the election happens. They claimed Bush stole two elections because their side didn't win. It took a long time after the first election of Bush before we knew who had won because of their crap over Florida "chads". They can't take a loss of any kind. It has to be the fault of someone else when they lose.
The two of you have given the Libs here just about all of the reasonable things anyone should need. The bad thing is that they ASSUME all of the poor and minorities are Democrats. Rather hypocritical of them, don't you think since it sounds like they are only worried about their "vote" and not their financial state? I know some people who would be considered "poor". They are Republicans and they do what it takes to make their vote count. I am from a very small family, but my in-law side is rather large. They would definitely be considered poor. Out of this large group, only one is even registered to vote.
Before you Libs try to spin it, "I don't even care. Just shut up."
Barack Obama is the best thing that's happened to this country. We democrats need to make sure he wins reelection even if it mean using voter fraud to do it.

Conservatives nearly derailed us in the last election cycle and we can't let them be successful this time.

Register people. Get them an id. Make sure they vote legally or not.

The days of Robin Hood are back! We want what they have.

“My spirit is free”

Since: Oct 11

Bellefontaine OH

#58 Jun 28, 2012
You know Hiker and Thud, I could understand the need for a voter ID for people who had never voted before and for whatever reason had no other form of picture ID, but---for people who have been registered for years and have voted for decades- like the elderly, including old WW2 veterans, who no longer drive and are on a fixed income or in poor health to end up losing their right to vote because they lost their birth-records and don't carry a passport or DL, then PA or any state making them go thru all the running around and extra expense of obtaining a state ID that they never needed before is so wrong. You see, once you register the first time, and have lived in the same voting precinct for years, there are other ways to prove you are who you say you are without being made to get one of these stupid IDs. Most importantly, you have to show up at the appropriate precinct and give your name and address. If a fraud wanted to use your name to vote, he'd have to know which district you were assigned to vote and he damn well not show up at the wrong voting place because that would be a sure sign he was up to no good.
For instance, my polling place is a little brick building on such and such a street in a town here in Logan County. It's the only place I can go to vote. They have a book there full of registered voters for the district and a big book of stickers with names and addresses and whatnot on them. Since I have lived in that area for several years, most of the volunteer pollsters know me. I'm lucky to have an DL I can present to them, but if I didn't, a utility bill with my name and address on it would suffice.(Now it's not impossible, but getting one of my utility bills might be difficult for a fraud to get his hands on, especially when I lock my doors and shred important papers, so if he got that far along, he could be generous and just go ahead and pay the darn thing for me!)

I go up to the person with the book and tell them my name, then they ask me my address. If I give them the correct address and it matches the info they have in the books, they take my sticker out of the book and hand it to the poll volunteer next to them. That person puts it on a form which I then have to sign. That person then checks my "new" signature to see if it matches the last signature I signed in the book the last time I voted.(If I were a fraud, those signatures would not match.) Then the person takes that form and hands it to another person, and then I'm given a ballot. I then fill out the ballot, vote for my candidates and then feed it into an optical scanner.

I of course had to give the state my SSN when I registered to vote long ago.

I'd really like to know just how many instances of vote fraud you will find under this old voting process. It's practically non-existent! But in the absence of any actual and meaningful vote fraud in America, and the terrible (and probably intentional) side effects of these new voter ID laws suppressing the votes of citizens who just happen to vote for Democrats, they are flatly unacceptable to me and I will oppose them as long and as hard as I can.

“My spirit is free”

Since: Oct 11

Bellefontaine OH

#59 Jun 28, 2012
Jir Cough wrote:
<quoted text>
Barack Obama is the best thing that's happened to this country. We democrats need to make sure he wins reelection even if it mean using voter fraud to do it.
Conservatives nearly derailed us in the last election cycle and we can't let them be successful this time.
Register people. Get them an id. Make sure they vote legally or not.
The days of Robin Hood are back! We want what they have.
It's easy to spot your sarcasm and tell you are really not a democrat. To allude that the only way democrats could win the next election would be to encourage and use voter fraud is also absurd. Please explain to us how anyone who is a US citizen could vote illegally. There's more need to make regulations and rules that will lessen cases of election fraud and voter intimidation,, but why would that really bother you when election fraud has been used by your party, along with those silly little robo calls that try to fool Dremocrat voters into voting the day after the election? Or like manipulating voting machines. Making ballots that are difficult to use (remember the butterfly ballot in FL, which was designed by a republican election official in (I think, Palm Beach county) that had thousands of Jews voting for Pat Buchanan? This is ELECTION fraud, made legal. So you see, your attempt to make Democrats out to be cheaters has miserably failed.
Stacy

Bellefontaine, OH

#60 Jun 28, 2012
Stacys Mom wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with the pluck it guy. You never know when to quit. WTF does your comment above have to do with the subject of this thread? Do you think you are impressing anyone with your make believe toughness? Your come-backs sound like something that would come from a first grader's mouth. The dumbazz turns out not to be Pluck It, but you!
You're off your meds again mom. We gonna have to have you committed again?

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