Indian Lake Football Coaches

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Enough is enough

Grafton, OH

#1 Oct 19, 2012
Once again the Indian lake coaches lost the game. You have to feel so sorry for the kids. I know there will be those who say "go ahead and blame the coaches" but those boys played there hearts out. The lack of coaching is what lost the game.
I know we will have a great senior class next year but we will still have the same coaches. The kids are playing against the coaches as well as the other team and it is a no win situation for the boys.
All I can say is keep your heads up boys and play for yourself. It is up to you to win because your coaches don't know how!
Why bother

Grafton, OH

#2 Oct 19, 2012
For those that watched the I.L. And Urbana game, how do you not blame the coaches? The boys can only dig themselves out of so many holes, and when their own coaches keep putting them in holes, what do you expect them to do? How long will it take the coaches to realize that they are the problem. Just because you can call a play doesn't make you a coach. It is plain to see that none of them know how to think on their feet. When it comes to a crucial time in the game, none of them know what to do and it is the boys who suffer.
All of you coaches need to ask yourself one question " are you doing this for you or the program"? If you want to do what is best for the programm then all of you need to walk away and let those who actually know the game of football to come in and coach these boys.
Trust me, there are actual coaches who would love to coach at Indian Lake. Do the right thing, step aside and let them!
HerpDerp

Mount Vernon, OH

#3 Oct 19, 2012
I saw the game and I don't understand how you can blame the coaches. The only mistake I saw was when Coburn called the timeout with 25 seconds to go and 11 seconds on the play clock. They need to save that timeout and run a play...then kick the FG with a few seconds to go.

But here are the facts.

Indian Lake 3 turnovers, Urbana 1.

Urbana 400+ yards, Indian Lake around 270.

4th quarter...Indian Lake under 10 yards total offense on 4 plays!!!

Indian Lake played their hearts out, but the team lost the game. Not the coaches or the one bad call they had. The Lakers had to play their best game of the year with their best gameplan. They did. It just wasn't enough to beat the best team in the CBC.

Congrats to the Lakers on a great performance! It was a tough loss...but certainly not the fault of the coaches.

Ignorant fans are ignorant.
lake rat

United States

#4 Oct 20, 2012
Why bother wrote:
For those that watched the I.L. And Urbana game, how do you not blame the coaches? The boys can only dig themselves out of so many holes, and when their own coaches keep putting them in holes, what do you expect them to do? How long will it take the coaches to realize that they are the problem. Just because you can call a play doesn't make you a coach. It is plain to see that none of them know how to think on their feet. When it comes to a crucial time in the game, none of them know what to do and it is the boys who suffer.
All of you coaches need to ask yourself one question " are you doing this for you or the program"? If you want to do what is best for the programm then all of you need to walk away and let those who actually know the game of football to come in and coach these boys.
Trust me, there are actual coaches who would love to coach at Indian Lake. Do the right thing, step aside and let them!
lol...who? yea every monday morning qb can coach...and dont even throw lillards name out there because you said "actual coaches"
Right

United States

#5 Oct 20, 2012
www.GetvipNews[dot]com/Indian- Lake-Football-Coaches
You must be a democrat

Grafton, OH

#6 Oct 20, 2012
HerpDerp wrote:
I saw the game and I don't understand how you can blame the coaches. The only mistake I saw was when Coburn called the timeout with 25 seconds to go and 11 seconds on the play clock. They need to save that timeout and run a play...then kick the FG with a few seconds to go.
But here are the facts.
Indian Lake 3 turnovers, Urbana 1.
Urbana 400+ yards, Indian Lake around 270.
4th quarter...Indian Lake under 10 yards total offense on 4 plays!!!
Indian Lake played their hearts out, but the team lost the game. Not the coaches or the one bad call they had. The Lakers had to play their best game of the year with their best gameplan. They did. It just wasn't enough to beat the best team in the CBC.
Congrats to the Lakers on a great performance! It was a tough loss...but certainly not the fault of the coaches.
Ignorant fans are ignorant.
You couldn't have watched the same game that everyone else did. What about right before half time when they threw in first down instead of running the ball? The plays that did work wasn't because of good play calling it was because of the kids.
Say what you want and believe what you want to believe. We are a team with great players and mediocre coaches.
You must be a democrat

Grafton, OH

#7 Oct 20, 2012
lake rat wrote:
<quoted text>lol...who? yea every monday morning qb can coach...and dont even throw lillards name out there because you said "actual coaches"
I'm sure the coaches thank you for your support but do you think the players do? You don't have to be a Monday morning quarter back to see what went wrong. Even the unknowledgable WPKO announcers said what went wrong in that game.
I know there will always be those who stand up for coaches even if they have no clue, and you are no exception, and that is what is great about this country, everyone has a right to their own opinion, even idiots like you!
UnknowledgeableW PKOGuy

Mount Vernon, OH

#9 Oct 20, 2012
You must be a democrat wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sure the coaches thank you for your support but do you think the players do? You don't have to be a Monday morning quarter back to see what went wrong. Even the unknowledgable WPKO announcers said what went wrong in that game.
I know there will always be those who stand up for coaches even if they have no clue, and you are no exception, and that is what is great about this country, everyone has a right to their own opinion, even idiots like you!
Firstly, unknowledgable is not a word. Second off, I am one of those "unkowledgable" announcers you speak of. Indian Lake lost to the better team. Could the outcome have been different? Sure. Did one play change the outcome? No. Like HerpDerp said, there were a variety of things that cost Indian Lake the football game. Look at the stats.

And I will gladly step aside next week from broadcasting and give you a shot at it. Contact WPKO and tell them the Unknowledgeable WPKO color commentator is offering you a shot at broadcasting. I've had many offers to broadcast for several different radio stations, so your assessment is probably not accurate in the eyes of the broadcasting world. Here's your chance, hero, go make me sound "unknowledgeable."
You must be a democrat

Upper Sandusky, OH

#10 Oct 20, 2012
UnknowledgeableWPKOGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
Firstly, unknowledgable is not a word. Second off, I am one of those "unkowledgable" announcers you speak of. Indian Lake lost to the better team. Could the outcome have been different? Sure. Did one play change the outcome? No. Like HerpDerp said, there were a variety of things that cost Indian Lake the football game. Look at the stats.
And I will gladly step aside next week from broadcasting and give you a shot at it. Contact WPKO and tell them the Unknowledgeable WPKO color commentator is offering you a shot at broadcasting. I've had many offers to broadcast for several different radio stations, so your assessment is probably not accurate in the eyes of the broadcasting world. Here's your chance, hero, go make me sound "unknowledgeable."
I am sorry for using the wron words bu I didn't know who I was speaking to and how educated they might be. For that, i will take the blame for that one.
Now, to say that you are the announcer for wiki doesn't hold much weight in this conversation. If you could go somewhere else I'm sure you would. As far as the stats go, don't base your assessment off of stats. I know you will argue "what can you base it on" but there was more to the game then stats. I can see that you are someone that never be influence by anything or anyone else because you know the facts. I wish you the best at your new broadcasting job.
punt

United States

#11 Oct 20, 2012
lake rat wrote:
<quoted text>lol...who? yea every monday morning qb can coach...and dont even throw lillards name out there because you said "actual coaches"
Oh, go ahead, please throw his name in the ring. You think things are bad now.
UnknowledgeableW PKOGuy

Mount Vernon, OH

#12 Oct 20, 2012
You must be a democrat wrote:
<quoted text>I am sorry for using the wron words bu I didn't know who I was speaking to and how educated they might be. For that, i will take the blame for that one.
Now, to say that you are the announcer for wiki doesn't hold much weight in this conversation. If you could go somewhere else I'm sure you would. As far as the stats go, don't base your assessment off of stats. I know you will argue "what can you base it on" but there was more to the game then stats. I can see that you are someone that never be influence by anything or anyone else because you know the facts. I wish you the best at your new broadcasting job.
I turned down two offers this season alone. I've been with WPKO for a long time and I'm not going anywhere. It's a part time job and I do it as a hobby and not for the money. They're local, I have no reason to go anywhere else.

As for the game, maybe you can't base it solely on the stats, I'll give you that. But there were several other variables. There were several things you cannot put on the coaches. What about the 3 turnovers? What about the 37 yard pass with 9.7 seconds to go when Urbana was driving for the game winner? When there were to Lakers defenders standing there, watching the ball? All they had to do was put their hands up and knock it down, or intercept it.

The coaches cannot be held responsible for this loss. Yes, they made a bonehead move calling their last timeout with 25 seconds to go, then lining up for the field goal. But it was merely a bonehead move. The game should have been won, there is no way Urbana should have driven 57 yards on 2 plays in 25 seconds, especially when the coverage was right where they should be.

Coaches are easy scapegoats. But again, if you looked at the game plan put together by those coaches (in depth), you'll see they put their team in a position to win against a superior team. The defensive schemes (pressure, coverage, etc), the offensive balance (pass, run, pass, run).

Everyone is going to make mistakes. The coaches, the players...everyone. All I'm asking you to do is to realize that it wasn't that one play that cost the Lakers a win. And keep in mind, my opinion is completely unbiased. I was actually pulling for the Lakers.
Voice

Bowling Green, OH

#13 Oct 20, 2012
First of all, very good game by both teams. Lakers played amazingly well against a more talented team. There were certainly missed opportunities by the Laker squad that could have impacted the outcome. However, as the numbers showed, they put themselves in position to win despite being out gained by the Climbers.
Now to discuss coaching. I personally know that the men giving up there time to work for IL's coaching staff do an excellent job preparing the team from a gameplan standpoint. Additionally, the leaps in weight room performance is a testament to the student athletes hard work and the coaches continued improvement and innovation with training methods.
The problem the Lake has faced for some time is numbers. Very rarely do they have the numbers to put the best players in the best positions in a two platoon fashion, even when they were a division three school just a few years ago. That makes it very hard to compete, considering the number of athletes othe schools in the CBC are able to field.
Finally, coach Coburn is a shining example of an educator and coach who is willing to make sacrifices for the young men he leads ever week. I doubt that many people know just how much time he has given up from his personal life over the years to work for the school and athletic programs. His most important contribution is the fact that, while he seeks to improve his players as athletes, he often improves them as men. There are many examples of his influence serving in the armed forces, attending colleges, or working hard in the community right now. The discipline they live their lives with is a testament to the time they spent in coburn's program.
Hopefully, the Lakers will close out the season with a win over Ben Logan. I for one hope our community can get behind the coaches and the kids instead of second guessing and criticizing for once. Best of luck lake, take em to the woodshed!!!
You must be a democrat

Springfield, OH

#14 Oct 21, 2012
Those for and with the coaches will always side with the coaches regardless of what the facts are or aren't and like wise with those or are against them. In my opinion the coaches need to put them in a position to win not in a position to loose. You talk about the last series of the game when the lake gave up the score but if the coaches did the right thing the series before, they are not in that situation and we are talking about a win. Instead the coaches created a situation for the boys to loose.
Bill Tipple

Springfield, OH

#15 Oct 21, 2012
Imposter! Quit trying to give a good man a bad name. I was at the game and IL lost because of the coaches. If they would have won it would have been because of coaches too.

Bl and Indian lake next week. If you want to talk I will be available before and after the game.
Voice

Bowling Green, OH

#16 Oct 21, 2012
You Must be a Democrat, your first statement simply isn't true. The coaches certainly have to take some of the blame. My problem is with the community members who have not sacrificed for the program or the kids, criticizing them for their performance. You may not be among the group I take issue with, but rest assured it is no small group. Bleacher coaches, the vast majority of which don't know the rules, would call for a coaching change on every punt during home games. I simply cannot disagree with you enough about calling for new coaches. You should talk to them in person instead of calling them out from a keyboard. Air your problems in public.
You must be a democrat

Akron, OH

#17 Oct 22, 2012
Bill Tipple wrote:
Imposter! Quit trying to give a good man a bad name. I was at the game and IL lost because of the coaches. If they would have won it would have been because of coaches too.
Bl and Indian lake next week. If you want to talk I will be available before and after the game.
First of all Mr. Tipple, I'm not trying to give the head coach a bad name. All I'm saying is that their position, as coaches, are to know what to do and to be able to think on there feet in game changing situations, and these coaches can't. This has been proven for many years. If it is true that the head coach has nothing to do with calling any offense or defensive plays, then why doesn't he fix that. When the coaches put the boys in a hole and when they can't get out of that hole, the coach has to shoulder the blame. If you think you are as smart as you say you are when it comes to situations like this then you should know this.
I'm sure the coach means well and is a good person but you play games to win and when you can't do that because of mistakes that the entire coaching staff makes over and over again, something should change. Say all you want but after double digit years of the same ole same ole, something has to change.
Do you think this coaching staff would still be coaching if they were at any other school? And be honest when you answer that.

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