Indian Lake Jr. High Soccer Coach...
LaughingLarry

Greenville, OH

#21 Oct 7, 2010
Anytime a program has a great amount of success there will follow criticsm. Indian Lake soccer has been terrible for years... abysmal. Finally, someone had pride in seeing that change. Young people from all over the Indian Lake area are on that team. Perhaps one day that is how the program will be on the map when high school rolls around. I have heard many things about Coach Davis from other coaches who play him. Conscientious, yes competitive, but fair. All great high school programs revolve around great young people programs. Someone will get left out. That is a fact of life when others are better. It happens. That is why I was relegated to the jv squads, rather than varsity when I was a kid. It steered me into other sports in which I experienced a great deal of success. If the Lake ever wants a soccer program on the map, they best support people like Davis because not too many have spearheaded efforts to change the losing climate of the program at the youth level. I am not saying there haven't been good efforts before, but to break the cycler of a losing climate takes drastic changes. He is not perfect, but overall handles himself in a professional manner. The Lakers are fortunate to have someone with the passion of him to want things to be different.
your wrong

Morgan Hill, CA

#22 Oct 8, 2010
Sorry old man but there was tryouts. and there is 2 teams????( for Ind.Lake)(LCS AND a Ind. Lake team) and all the kids do get to play every game??
btown parent

Gatlinburg, TN

#23 Oct 8, 2010
Bellefontaine has only one middle school soccer team. And although they have tryouts; let me assure you that the coaches hand pick the team based on who they know! As far as these teams IL Elite and Bellefontaine Travel; it all looks good that they are beating up the county teams but remember the county teams do not hand pick their teams! I think the above mentioned travel teams should go to some larger tournaments and play some real skill and see how they match up then!
btown parent

Gatlinburg, TN

#24 Oct 8, 2010
btown parent wrote:
Bellefontaine has only one middle school soccer team. And although they have tryouts; let me assure you that the coaches hand pick the team based on who they know! As far as these teams IL Elite and Bellefontaine Travel; it all looks good that they are beating up the county teams but remember the county teams do not hand pick their teams! I think the above mentioned travel teams should go to some larger tournaments and play some real skill and see how they match up then!
To clarify: Bellefontaine only has one middle school "travel" team. They have several rec teams that only play within the city against each other.
EyeLuvSoccer

Sunbury, OH

#25 Oct 8, 2010
IL Elite is not a travel team. They only play together as a team in the county league games. Some of their players do also play on other teams. Some of the kids do practice in the gym in the winter, but these practices are open to kids from other schools too. There are two IL teams. Ray has so many players on his team because the kids want to play on his team. As long as the kids and their parents are in line with the code of conduct that everyone must sign, every kid gets to play in every game. But, if you cuss, or argue a call to strenuously with a ref, you will sit. In many of the games once they are winning Ray has the kids only score with headshots to keep the scores closer.

As a side note: The last time the two IL teams played, one of the other IL fans said he thought Ray should be shot, and called him a "Bastard" loud enough for many children to hear.(Grandpa Mallory you should be ashamed of yourself.) Seriously dude, it is only a game that kids play where is your decency and common sense?

Like it or not, these are the facts.
btown parent

Gatlinburg, TN

#26 Oct 8, 2010
I was in no way bashing Ray Davis! I think he is a wonderful man who has put countless hours and time into building a great program at the lake!
Thank you for setting me straight on the "travel" part of it. Bellefontaine however is still very guilty of putting together an elite team to outplay the county teams and this in my opinion is shameful!
old man

Centerburg, OH

#27 Oct 9, 2010
LaughingLarry wrote:
He is not perfect, but overall handles himself in a professional manner. The Lakers are fortunate to have someone with the passion of him to want things to be different.
Profesionals do not bring false charges against someone.
old man

Centerburg, OH

#28 Oct 9, 2010
your wrong wrote:
Sorry old man but there was tryouts. and there is 2 teams????( for Ind.Lake)(LCS AND a Ind. Lake team) and all the kids do get to play every game??
FYI Ray Davis had nothing to do with the second team. He took 20 kids, at least 5 more than you need, then left everyone else out in the cold. If he did have tryouts the kids were cut, not sent to another team. If the other team had not been organized, IL would have been the only area with JR kids with no team to play for.
Barny Frank

Orlando, FL

#29 Oct 9, 2010
old man wrote:
<quoted text> Profesionals do not bring false charges against someone.
From watching congress, not being convicted doesn't mean someone is innocent. OM spit the seeds out, the sour grapes are dribbling down you chin.
Polski

Zanesville, OH

#30 Oct 10, 2010
Any guy that made a soccer field right next to his house can't be all bad. He is a good coach and the kids that play for him are respectful.
The Bellefontaine team is also not a travel team. There are some good players that play in the city rec leauge. Some parents do not want to play outside of Bellefontaine. Next year it would be nice to see all the Bellefontaine teams play a county schedule. Traveling to IL, Ben Logan, or West Liberty isn't that far and I think the Bellefontaine players would enjoy it.
my input

Sidney, OH

#31 Oct 10, 2010
no wonder the high school program at indian lake has struggled to get players to to come out and play. By the time these athletes get to high school they have a horrible out look on the game of soccer because parents like Ray Davis decide its a good idea to stack teams at the middle school level. What about the players on the second IL team? You honestly think they are going to continue with the program if they are getiing beat up on every game? of course not, they are going to give up on soccer all together and go out for another fall sport once freshman year rolls around. I went through the program myself and know how it works all to well. I hope for Jon Shoffstall's sake and the other great coaches involved at the high school level that the middle school puts an end to this abomination of the game that Ray has imposed. Split the teams up fairly, let all the kids play and have equal chances of winning and maybe they will stick around and be interested in soccer long enough to help out our already struggling high school program.
Also aside from the differences in motivation shown by each team's players their skill levels will be much different by the time the hit high school. The coaches will struggle to help the ones who were left behind to catch up and the local soccer messiahs and prodigy's wont learn anything either because the coaches have to teach the less developed players. Lets start looking past the end of our noses here and look at whats best for the kids/school's soccer program. We can blame the poor performance of indian lakes program on rotten apples who ruin the game for kids early on.
Polski

Zanesville, OH

#32 Oct 10, 2010
my input wrote:
no wonder the high school program at indian lake has struggled to get players to to come out and play. By the time these athletes get to high school they have a horrible out look on the game of soccer because parents like Ray Davis decide its a good idea to stack teams at the middle school level. What about the players on the second IL team? You honestly think they are going to continue with the program if they are getiing beat up on every game? of course not, they are going to give up on soccer all together and go out for another fall sport once freshman year rolls around. I went through the program myself and know how it works all to well. I hope for Jon Shoffstall's sake and the other great coaches involved at the high school level that the middle school puts an end to this abomination of the game that Ray has imposed. Split the teams up fairly, let all the kids play and have equal chances of winning and maybe they will stick around and be interested in soccer long enough to help out our already struggling high school program.
Also aside from the differences in motivation shown by each team's players their skill levels will be much different by the time the hit high school. The coaches will struggle to help the ones who were left behind to catch up and the local soccer messiahs and prodigy's wont learn anything either because the coaches have to teach the less developed players. Lets start looking past the end of our noses here and look at whats best for the kids/school's soccer program. We can blame the poor performance of indian lakes program on rotten apples who ruin the game for kids early on.
It's tough to compete in the CBC in soccer for many reasons. Are you saying that because of one guy at the lake, the boys program at Indian Lake is suffering? Aside from a couple years that the Bellefontaine boys program had great success, tell me the last time a Logan County boys high school team beat Tipp? Let me answer that for you - zero.
The schools further south have many players involved at the club level early on and many play year round. The Lake Jr High may have a problem with how teams are set, but I fail to see where that has a direct result on the high schools won and loss record.
Shoffstall was a good HS player and as a teacher/coach he will have success no matter what is going on at the Jr. High level.
Middle school soccer is mainly parent coach with very few exceptions. Thats just the way it is.
I saw the other lake team play this year. They are improving. I got the impression that they enjoy the game. If that is true then most will play at the HS level. If you love the game -you will keep playing the game. You have to remember that there is no co-ed soccer in HS. Players from both teams will play as one team once they get in high school. It will be interesting to see how the parents get along.
my input

Sidney, OH

#33 Oct 10, 2010
Polski wrote:
<quoted text>
It's tough to compete in the CBC in soccer for many reasons. Are you saying that because of one guy at the lake, the boys program at Indian Lake is suffering? Aside from a couple years that the Bellefontaine boys program had great success, tell me the last time a Logan County boys high school team beat Tipp? Let me answer that for you - zero.
The schools further south have many players involved at the club level early on and many play year round. The Lake Jr High may have a problem with how teams are set, but I fail to see where that has a direct result on the high schools won and loss record.
Shoffstall was a good HS player and as a teacher/coach he will have success no matter what is going on at the Jr. High level.
Middle school soccer is mainly parent coach with very few exceptions. Thats just the way it is.
I saw the other lake team play this year. They are improving. I got the impression that they enjoy the game. If that is true then most will play at the HS level. If you love the game -you will keep playing the game. You have to remember that there is no co-ed soccer in HS. Players from both teams will play as one team once they get in high school. It will be interesting to see how the parents get along.
Like i said, its "bad apples" like him that ruin it for the high school level. He is just an example of why kids lose interest in the game at that age. They arent going to continue playing a game that they keep getting beat in, thats common sense. Stacking teams isnt good for the program long term wise. The children that play on the lesser of the two teams are going to lose interest in the game because they think that they are lacking in skills when in actuality its the organization that's let them down.
Its hard to beat a larger school like tipp city or even Bellefontaine when only 6 or seven kids try out for the team each year. Stick with me here. They are choosing to play other sports over soccer. I have complete faith in Shoffstall and if anyone were to turn the HS program around, its him. BUT he is going to struggle throwing a good varsity squad together if he only has 8 or 9 kids who show up to play every year. Its ignorant to say "If you love the game -you will keep playing the game." at that age group. Unfortunately they dont know what they want and they are more likely to desert the game if they arent having any success in it. Its no individual's fault that the program isnt getting a turn out at the HS level, this has been done before and i have no doubt that it will be done again. Its a shame that it cant be organized fairly to keep the kids involved in the sport for longer and until then IL soccer at the older level is going to fail. Just as it has in the past.
EyeLuvSoccer

Sunbury, OH

#34 Oct 10, 2010
my input wrote:
<quoted text>
Like i said, its "bad apples" like him that ruin it for the high school level. He is just an example of why kids lose interest in the game at that age. They arent going to continue playing a game that they keep getting beat in, thats common sense. Stacking teams isnt good for the program long term wise. The children that play on the lesser of the two teams are going to lose interest in the game because they think that they are lacking in skills when in actuality its the organization that's let them down.
Its hard to beat a larger school like tipp city or even Bellefontaine when only 6 or seven kids try out for the team each year. Stick with me here. They are choosing to play other sports over soccer. I have complete faith in Shoffstall and if anyone were to turn the HS program around, its him. BUT he is going to struggle throwing a good varsity squad together if he only has 8 or 9 kids who show up to play every year. Its ignorant to say "If you love the game -you will keep playing the game." at that age group. Unfortunately they dont know what they want and they are more likely to desert the game if they arent having any success in it. Its no individual's fault that the program isnt getting a turn out at the HS level, this has been done before and i have no doubt that it will be done again. Its a shame that it cant be organized fairly to keep the kids involved in the sport for longer and until then IL soccer at the older level is going to fail. Just as it has in the past.
Have you ever coached Jr High Soccer?
Polski

Zanesville, OH

#35 Oct 10, 2010
my input wrote:
<quoted text>
Like i said, its "bad apples" like him that ruin it for the high school level. He is just an example of why kids lose interest in the game at that age. They arent going to continue playing a game that they keep getting beat in, thats common sense. Stacking teams isnt good for the program long term wise. The children that play on the lesser of the two teams are going to lose interest in the game because they think that they are lacking in skills when in actuality its the organization that's let them down.
Its hard to beat a larger school like tipp city or even Bellefontaine when only 6 or seven kids try out for the team each year. Stick with me here. They are choosing to play other sports over soccer. I have complete faith in Shoffstall and if anyone were to turn the HS program around, its him. BUT he is going to struggle throwing a good varsity squad together if he only has 8 or 9 kids who show up to play every year. Its ignorant to say "If you love the game -you will keep playing the game." at that age group. Unfortunately they dont know what they want and they are more likely to desert the game if they arent having any success in it. Its no individual's fault that the program isnt getting a turn out at the HS level, this has been done before and i have no doubt that it will be done again. Its a shame that it cant be organized fairly to keep the kids involved in the sport for longer and until then IL soccer at the older level is going to fail. Just as it has in the past.
I don't think my statement was ignorant, but I am on the outside of the "Lake effect" box looking in. I think the whole thing is pretty wierd. I don't have any kids on either team. This stuff would not have happened in our school district.
I'm sure Shoffstall will control it when these kids get to high school. At that time all the parent factor stuff will go away. That's why it's best to have high school coachs that are employed as teachers
old man

Centerburg, OH

#36 Oct 17, 2010
I think the whole thing is pretty wierd.
I'm sure Shoffstall will control it when these kids get to high school.
Yes it is weird, but Coach Shoffstall better beware.....Davis will try to rally the parents and take over the program. He has done it before.
soccermomrlz

United States

#37 Oct 18, 2010
If you are really serious about getting better, take your child to try out for club soccer. There are clubs in Dayton, Dublin, Marysville... They hold try outs, conducted by several different coaches who are certified & most have actually played soccer. Locally all there is is basically rec level play, which is better than nothing, but the level of play at club will better prepare your child for high school. Not many politics either as you have athletes from different areas trying out. If you can get a group of athletes from the same school playing together in the off season, your high school team will improve. Keep in mind though, once in high school only 5 athletes from same school can play together in off season. Good luck.
Laughing Larry

Greenville, OH

#38 Oct 20, 2010
If one truly wants to improve their soccer skills they must go beyond the boundary of Logan County.
Also, at last count 8 players each year inherited from the middle school programs gives you 32 players at the high school. That is plenty of players to play at both varsity and junior varsity levels. 32! You do not change a habitual losing climate without drastic measures. It is ok for young people to choose other sports in high school if they are not good enough or lose interest in another sport. That happens in football, basketball, baseball, etc... when there are not enough spots. That is life! I have heard far too many positive comments regarding Ray coaching the Logan County team from many throughout Logan County. Success breeds jealousy. Lakers, there is a bigger world than Logan County. If you are intent on improving your child in soccer you need to travel abroad. Otherwise, be thankful someone did organize a second team for the less talented to play on rather than griping. I imagine Ray will relenquish the reigns of coaching to someone else when his son gets to high school in ayear or so. I highly doubt these few years of helping out have damaged the Lake's high school soccer program. Although Jon's team is improving, It has already been mired in a state of failure for decades without any help from Ray. So you can jump on the bandwagon of success or stay embittered, jealous, and negative. I hope this isn't something you are instilling within your children.
From a Distance

Cookeville, TN

#39 Oct 20, 2010
Laughing Larry wrote:
If one truly wants to improve their soccer skills they must go beyond the boundary of Logan County.
Also, at last count 8 players each year inherited from the middle school programs gives you 32 players at the high school. That is plenty of players to play at both varsity and junior varsity levels. 32! You do not change a habitual losing climate without drastic measures. It is ok for young people to choose other sports in high school if they are not good enough or lose interest in another sport. That happens in football, basketball, baseball, etc... when there are not enough spots. That is life! I have heard far too many positive comments regarding Ray coaching the Logan County team from many throughout Logan County. Success breeds jealousy. Lakers, there is a bigger world than Logan County. If you are intent on improving your child in soccer you need to travel abroad. Otherwise, be thankful someone did organize a second team for the less talented to play on rather than griping. I imagine Ray will relenquish the reigns of coaching to someone else when his son gets to high school in ayear or so. I highly doubt these few years of helping out have damaged the Lake's high school soccer program. Although Jon's team is improving, It has already been mired in a state of failure for decades without any help from Ray. So you can jump on the bandwagon of success or stay embittered, jealous, and negative. I hope this isn't something you are instilling within your children.
I believe Ray Davis has a daughter age 9 who also plays soccer. That might not guarantee that the issue will go away once his son moves on to high school.
Jon Davidson

Mentor, OH

#40 Apr 5, 2011
Team sports such as soccer are typically competitive. I realize some people would rather hand all the kids a trophy while telling them, "You're all winners!" and that might be fine for kindergarten and elementary school children. But, at some point the youngsters need to learn that the world is inherently competitive...especially when you are playing competitive sports.
I agree that the way some parents let competition get the best of them is an absolute embarrassment to their kids and other adults, but this is NOT EVEN CLOSE to the way Ray Davis functions. He is competitive, fair, and likes to see THE KIDS win.
To those naysayers, how many times have you hit the pitch with your youngster to help them improve their skills? I know for a fact that Coach Davis has worked 12 hours shifts and still managed to make a long commute back work with ALL the kids.
Instead of complaining, help the team by working to help your child improve their skills. Do you really think that if Coach Davis saw nice improvement in your youngster that he wouldn't give them more playing time? C'mon. Give me a break.
It's my feeling that by shielding your kids from competition, which in this case is really mild compared to high school and beyond, it is more damaging to kids over the long term rather than having them experiencing the joy and accomplishment of competing, overcoming challenges, and winning. Rise to the occasion instead of dragging others into the negativity of name-calling and bitterness.

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