They want teachers to carry guns?

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Joey Zaza

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Dec 29, 2012
 
FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. Interim Fayetteville Police Chief Katherine Bryant returned to work Friday after she accidentally shot herself in the hand during the Christmas holiday, authorities said.

A spokesman for the city said Bryant was injured when her personal firearm accidentally discharged at home. No one else was hurt.

Officials did not provide more details on the incident.

Bryant, who has risen through the ranks over the past 25 years, took the helm of the police department last summer from Tom Bergamine after he retired.

Bryant will remain on the job until a replacement is named, officials said. Earlier this month, the city announced the top two finalists for the job are Charlotte Deputy Police Chief Harold Medlock and Dallas Deputy Police Chief Malik Aziz.
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Dec 30, 2012
 
Yep. It happens. And your point is?

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Yep. It happens. And your point is?
Good thing she wasn't in charge of a missle silo.

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Dec 30, 2012
 
Los Angeles has freaking police precincts in schools. That was not doubt a liberal idea. Why when a conservative suggests the same thing is it somehow crazy?
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Jan 2, 2013
 
It only makes sense if the teacher/administrator is already gun-oriented and does so voluntarily. Forcing or coercing an accomplished pro-gun person wouldn't foster the proper mindset, allowing a newb wouldn't (likely) put the proper skill set where it's needed.

Encouraging already-accomplished persons who already possess and demonstrate competency would work - only allow those with the skill set and mentality in place to provide the first - and by no means only - line of defense.

I'm against having uniformed or single-purpose personnel in place, they'd just provide a "shoot me first" target for the scumbag - rather, I'd have existing personnel discreetly be vetted, screened, trained, tested, armed, and commissioned. Let them go about their regular duties, but should the unthinkable occur, they do their thing.

Finally, their participation must be kept confidential; today's public schools are rife with mamby-pamby left-wing liberal anti 2A types that WOULD ostracize and undermine the sheepdog(s) among them, and perhaps place them in the "shoot me first" category.

There's more that could and should be done relative to interdiction, safe (or "panic") rooms and overall awareness training, but those topics are subjects for another thread.

And yes, I DO have elementary-school age kids that I'd be subjecting to this program, I'm NOT suggesting any parent accept that which I, myself, would not.
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Jan 2, 2013
 
The solution to gun violence is more guns.

That makes sense.

Bang.
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Jan 2, 2013
 
The Oracle wrote:
The solution to gun violence is more guns.
That makes sense.
Bang.
What is your solution to the problem? To just submit to whatever a criminal wants to do to you? If you think violence will never touch your life you are e fool.
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What is your solution to the problem? To just submit to whatever a criminal wants to do to you? If you think violence will never touch your life you are e fool.
Yep. I'm a fool for believing the teachings of Christ.
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Yep. I'm a fool for believing the teachings of Christ.
You and everyone else has free will. Isn't that one of the reasons Christ died on the cross for? You also have the free will to accept whatever a criminal wants to do to you. You have the free will to stick your head in the sand. You have the free will to be a sheep. I have the free will to stand up for myself.

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You and everyone else has free will. Isn't that one of the reasons Christ died on the cross for? You also have the free will to accept whatever a criminal wants to do to you. You have the free will to stick your head in the sand. You have the free will to be a sheep. I have the free will to stand up for myself.


Christ did not die on the cross so we have free will. Mankind already had that.
I have no problem standing up for myself. I do have a problem when 6 year olds are slaughted like sheep.
So if the solution is to put an armed officer in every school building, then who pays the cost of doing this? School districts already have a difficult time passing school levies. I do not see where this added cost will be voted for by the taxpayers, do you?
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Christ did not die on the cross so we have free will. Mankind already had that.
I have no problem standing up for myself. I do have a problem when 6 year olds are slaughted like sheep.
So if the solution is to put an armed officer in every school building, then who pays the cost of doing this? School districts already have a difficult time passing school levies. I do not see where this added cost will be voted for by the taxpayers, do you?
Yea, unfortunately. But looking at it that way is, for me, putting a price on the life of every school kid. I've always been the kind of person that confronts a threat head on and I see this thing with the psychos shooting up the schools as a threat.
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Jan 2, 2013
 
The Oracle wrote:
The solution to gun violence is more guns.
That makes sense.
Bang.
In the right hands, of course.
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OK. You guys are right. Lets round up all the guns. Disband all the police forces and do away with all the laws. Things will be better that way, right?
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Psalm 144:1 Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle

Luke 11:21 When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are safe

Proverbs 25:26 Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked.

Psalm 82:4 Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.

Ezekiel 33 'But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman's hand.'

I hold that it's the moral responsibility to protect the weak from the wicked. The wicked will always have tools of the trade, the only option is to meet force with force, fire with fire. If YOU choose to be a sheep among wolves, that's on your soul.
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One Day I Will Register wrote:
Psalm 144:1 Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle
Luke 11:21 When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are safe
Proverbs 25:26 Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked.
Psalm 82:4 Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.
Ezekiel 33 'But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman's hand.'
I hold that it's the moral responsibility to protect the weak from the wicked. The wicked will always have tools of the trade, the only option is to meet force with force, fire with fire. If YOU choose to be a sheep among wolves, that's on your soul.
Finally, someone that agrees with me. Thank you.
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Jan 2, 2013
 
"but that's what we have the police for"... WRONG!!

WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28...

See, it's up to us to protect ourselves and the ones we love - as for me, I'm not excluding strangers from the "ones we love" category. Your mileage may vary, but please don't tie my hands behind my back.

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How about people being nice again? I know that's too much to ask. Guns in schools are a terrible commentary on the current state of people's mindsets in this country, not to mention they are dangerous, as even qualified people have accidents. I learned to to handle a firearm as a child, but I would NEVER EVER have expected to see my teachers toting them. When I was teaching in the South during de-segregation and we had daily riots, even driving through sniper fire, the thought crossed my mind it would be nice to have one, but then I realized that misplaced anger in a flash can supercede good sense on both sides.
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Jan 4, 2013
 
A sad commentary, indeed, but that's where we appear to be.

A single layer of protection is needed - awareness as the first level, passive (restricting access, "hardening" the schools, etc.) is secondary. The final, third level is an active, forceful level SHOULD THE FIRST TWO FAIL. Violence is seldom the answer, but when it is, it's the only answer.

Yes, I have elementary school-aged kids, I do have a dog in this fight.

And for the record, an inanimate object is not inherently dangerous, what a human being does with it can be dangerous. In a school building, with hard walls and floors, firearms must be a absolute last resort, but this "final option" should be available.

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Jan 4, 2013
 
Fleet Ghost has a good point, here.

And I know I would not have wanted some of the teachers I have known over the years to have immediate access to a firearm in the middle of a room full of children.....not that any of them would have done intentional harm of course.

This is a tough subject.

I am all for defending our right as individual citizens to bear arms....but find it frightening that the idea of training and arming teachers in the State of Ohio has garnered such widespread and enthusiastic response.

I still don't see where the idea of each school district deciding whether or not to employ one highly trained armed guard in each building is such a bad idea. It sounds much better than arming the teachers, at least to me. As for how to pay them....that would be up to the districts.
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I was physically attacked by a teacher when I was a kid. Another kid in my class was accused of doing something that he didn't do and I said something to the teacher about it and the teacher grabbed me, threw me on the floor and began hitting me. I was 14. I wonder if he would have ad a gun if I would still be here today?

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