Teachers aren't the problem

Teachers aren't the problem

There are 55 comments on the PittsburghLIVE.com story from Apr 21, 2011, titled Teachers aren't the problem. In it, PittsburghLIVE.com reports that:

For years and years, the teachers of the Belle Vernon Area School District were praised and commended by administrators, parents, school board directors, residents and even by people outside of the communities that comprise the district.

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compassionate

Monongahela, PA

#41 Apr 30, 2011
Try it wrote:
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My mistake about Patterson and Bialon, I was mis-informed. Lets work on making positive change as necessary. Patterson resigning???
Must have overstuffed his pockets.
Basically, he is a good person and when first elected thought he would do a good job for ALL However, he was always friendly with Russell and some where along the line his concern for teachers (being a retired one, his daughter and son both teachers with the daughter in our district)his concerns were more for that group of employees. Maybe he forgot all the community could not afford the hikes but he was wrong but then along the way he may have been influenced by the "gang" and the new "super Stevie". That was his downfall, not being his own person.

Don 't believe he would stuff his pockets; there would be no need to if you knew his background. He is not a Cramer personality.
Applauder

Monongahela, PA

#42 Apr 30, 2011
I applaud Franlin Regional School District and the reporter from the Tribune Review (unlike its sister paper the Valley Independent).

That board announced their meeting would be moved to a larger venue to encourage the taxpayers to speak out (unlike ours who had 25 people standing in the hallway at the administration building (when it could have been moved within walking distance to the elementary or middle school).

FR Board presented several scenarios and program cuts to eliminate their deficit. All of which could be applied by our district. They are: eliminating World Language program in grades 6,7,and 8; English classes such as journalism and film analysis; family and consumer classes; some business electives; some secondary arts classes; and converting full day kindergarten to HALF DAY kindergarten.

BVA COULD and SHOULD propose the same. They also SHOULD consider some staff cuts that I read from the "Woodsman" - they made sense to me. Hope all that are on this forum also visit the other two forums. Some people seem to have solid facts and we need to pass them around within the community. We have our work cut out but we CAN do it.
Try it

Charleroi, PA

#43 Apr 30, 2011
compassionate wrote:
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Basically, he is a good person and when first elected thought he would do a good job for ALL However, he was always friendly with Russell and some where along the line his concern for teachers (being a retired one, his daughter and son both teachers with the daughter in our district)his concerns were more for that group of employees. Maybe he forgot all the community could not afford the hikes but he was wrong but then along the way he may have been influenced by the "gang" and the new "super Stevie". That was his downfall, not being his own person.
Don 't believe he would stuff his pockets; there would be no need to if you knew his background. He is not a Cramer personality.
I know his lying brother Tom, former commissioner and now on the sewage board. Tom is a tax dodger and they had their dad committed and took all the money. I have no use for either and Dale should and did know how the people in this school district were going to get hit with a massive tax increase.
Compassionate

Monongahela, PA

#44 Apr 30, 2011
Try it wrote:
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I know his lying brother Tom, former commissioner and now on the sewage board. Tom is a tax dodger and they had their dad committed and took all the money. I have no use for either and Dale should and did know how the people in this school district were going to get hit with a massive tax increase.
Don't know much about the brother Tom other than his being a former commissioner, due Dale better. You are right, he should and I would say he did know how we were going to be hit. Again, I do belileve he was influenced by others and it was too late. I, too, look for him to resign.
Try it

Charleroi, PA

#45 Apr 30, 2011
This is for certain. The people occupying the seats of the BVASD BOD and the Rostraver commissioners MUST be removed and their replacement MUST be held accountable for everything they do. WE the public must attend in greater numbers the meetings. I will not lie and state that I will attend every meeting as my situation prohibits that as most other people cannot attend each and every meeting!

I submit we use this forum to form a powerful group of people who can 'brainstorm' and hold these people accountable from here on out.

Suggestions/comments, let's get it rolling OK?
BVA Grad

Pittsburgh, PA

#46 Jul 26, 2011
northmen19 wrote:
Getting the facts is extremely important in which to make a case with the BVA school board. One example is a student had mentioned to a neighbor that there are some classes which have only 10 people. If that is true, then this must be looked at closely to get the classes to range from 25 to 30 students on average. One needs to investigate all the deadwood that exists in the school system to help keep costs at a minimum. Realistically, more furloughs and program cuts need to be made. The latest rumor circulating in the Mon Valley area is that some school districts are on the verge of going bankrupt. Perhaps in the next 2 or 3 years, Monessen could be merging with BVA. Also, Charleroi and Bentworth could merge with Ringgold is another possiblity. Down in Florida, there are county school districts which receive large amounts of federal aid compared to smaller school districts. Drastic changes could be coming in the not too distant future.
However, some of these classes with only 10 or so students were HONORS classes or arts/special interests classes. It would be sad to see these cut since many of the students both like and excel in these classes than those of the regular curriculum. Cutting these specialty programs IS NOT the answer. Why make BVA students lose the small edge they have when applying to post-secondary institutions, for jobs, etc.?

As for the teaching situation, I agree that some major reform is needed. Many of the teachers at BVA are high quality, hard-working teachers who I learned a lot from; however, there are a few that need to go. That being said - I think BVA also needs to stop "preparing kids for the test." Kids don't learn like that. I think the best way to solve the "academic crisis" in ALL of our schools would be to incorporate more hands on learning, more activities to get the student using their creativity and intellectual insight to come up with answers, and finally (and most importantly)- MORE LIFE SKILLS. Teach kids about diversity and acceptance; they're going to encounter it as soon as they go to college or leave the Valley. Teach the essentials for living on their own. It's sad to see people graduating high school not knowing what a loan is or how to write a check.
northmen19

Uniontown, PA

#47 Jul 26, 2011
Points are well taken from the BVA grad suggesting that more Life Skills be incorporated into the curriculum. It well better prepare the students for their future encounters. If programs like these continue to be ignored, then it will only add credibility to the quote by Wayne Allen Root.
"In 1929 children had hope the future. Today they are hopeless, helpless and clueless-an entire generation that only knows drugs, gangs, rappers, government handouts, teen pregnancy-and it goes downhill from there.
IMO

Pittsburgh, PA

#48 Aug 2, 2011
Perhaps one should study the curriculum before making false statements. BVAHS DOES offer business classes where students learn how to balance check books, complete income tax fomrs, etc. My child learned all of that. If you didn't learn it...perhaps it's because you didn't take the class. Just sayin'.
no fan of teachers

New Kensington, PA

#49 Aug 17, 2011
What other jobs can you get where incompetence isn't held against you, and you get promotions and pay increases because you've been part of the system for "x" number of years? In most jobs, if you can't cut the mustard, or you produce a substandard product, you get fired.
Guitar Man

Monessen, PA

#50 Aug 18, 2011
Yes indeed Teachers ARE the problem and the school broad caters to these whining incompetents. Wake up call for those of you who support these slackers or perhaps you are a teacher of a relative of one. It is not the students who are the problem. I will however state from experience how uneducated and stupid many of the parents are. The entire system needs rebuilt. My experience? A retired TEACHER.
x teacher

Canonsburg, PA

#51 Aug 27, 2011
no fan of teachers wrote:
What other jobs can you get where incompetence isn't held against you, and you get promotions and pay increases because you've been part of the system for "x" number of years? In most jobs, if you can't cut the mustard, or you produce a substandard product, you get fired.
It time to laid off and fire a few bad teachers, all they want to do is look at the high school girls bum. They know the union will help them..
simone

Jessup, MD

#53 Oct 20, 2011
When the govenor merges monessen and belle vernon we will pick up their teachers.
xx teacher

Pittsburgh, PA

#54 Mar 11, 2013
who is the teachers union backing this election. you know we were powerful in the 90's time to vote to keep the salaries on the average of 90,000.00 dollars like they are.
Just the facts

Uniontown, PA

#55 Mar 12, 2013
xx teacher wrote:
who is the teachers union backing this election. you know we were powerful in the 90's time to vote to keep the salaries on the average of 90,000.00 dollars like they are.
Definitely Bialon and Patterson. Both voted for the last teachers' contract.
Supposedly

Monessen, PA

#56 Mar 12, 2013
Just the facts wrote:
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Definitely Bialon and Patterson. Both voted for the last teachers' contract.
Bialon is definitely running but as an educator I don't want an individual of his morality on that board whether he supported us and signed our contract. I was told by a person in the know that Patterson is not running. As far as I know those running are Grata, Naylor, Bialon, Whiteko, and Moore. Petitions had to be submitted by 4pm today so once they are submitted and there's no challenge, they will be put on the ballot. There may be more candidates but it seemed awful quiet. Was told by one who was interested there was some intimidation and that interested party backed off. Appears to be a little Hitler on that board seeking reelection. His behavior certainly doesn't justify his profession.

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