Teachers aren't the problem

Teachers aren't the problem

There are 55 comments on the PittsburghLIVE.com story from Apr 21, 2011, titled Teachers aren't the problem. In it, PittsburghLIVE.com reports that:

For years and years, the teachers of the Belle Vernon Area School District were praised and commended by administrators, parents, school board directors, residents and even by people outside of the communities that comprise the district.

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SgtMjr Morris

Monongahela, PA

#1 Apr 22, 2011
Teachers are indeed the PROBLEM.
BVA taxpayer

Monongahela, PA

#2 Apr 22, 2011
I agree, when my daughter married I looked for homes near the family in Belle Vernon, she wasn't interested. I metioned that the kids would go to BVA, after all she did. Her answer was "She went there thats why she didn't her children to go there". I might add her children are doing VERY well elsewhere.
SgtMjr Morris

Monongahela, PA

#3 Apr 22, 2011
BVA taxpayer wrote:
I agree, when my daughter married I looked for homes near the family in Belle Vernon, she wasn't interested. I metioned that the kids would go to BVA, after all she did. Her answer was "She went there thats why she didn't her children to go there". I might add her children are doing VERY well elsewhere.
Good for her. Smart girl you raised. BVA schools and the BVA needs a good cleaning out of the trash.
BVA Alumni

Monessen, PA

#4 Apr 23, 2011
Teachers are the problem? Explain? They are being told how to teach and what to teach. Teachers are told to teach to the test and that's all that matters. I think the whole country is going backwards in education. Why did they change education from 10-20 years ago? It seemed to work, but people think ALL people can learn the same. That's not the case. Teachers don't decide on content which seems to be the main issue. I agree that their are bad teachers in BVA that need to be gone, but there are great ones too. Most of the older teachers that don't do crap are retiring. Education starts at home as well. If the parents aren't involved, they could go to shady side academy and it still wouldn't matter.
Agreeable somewhat

Belle Vernon, PA

#5 Apr 23, 2011
SgtMjr Morris wrote:
Teachers are indeed the PROBLEM.
Yes, but it starts at the top with the administrators. They are the ones who sit in the classroom and evaluate the teachers but it seems they always get a good evaluation;nobody wants to upset the apple cart. There have been many teachers who have missed school repeatedly and for invalid reasons but according to their contract they are alloted so many sick days before a doctor's excuse is necessary. And, the students have suffered from not having a regular in that classroom. There have even been teachers who have used up all their days and have had to pay the district back but nothing happened to those teachers. It is a joke to hear it's "all about and for the children". The fault is with the board, the administrators, and the teachers.
THINK

New Kensington, PA

#6 Apr 26, 2011
Isnt BVA owed by the government? and I dont think teachers are the only problems... hummm lets see God isnt allowed in school so what do you expect to be going on in this unprotected enviroment?
Think again

Apollo, PA

#7 Apr 26, 2011
Whose God isn't allowed in school yours? Or all the other religious sects.About time everyone prays to their God school would be out.
Time out

Belle Vernon, PA

#8 Apr 26, 2011
Think again wrote:
Whose God isn't allowed in school yours? Or all the other religious sects.About time everyone prays to their God school would be out.
Let's face it: Board, adminisrators, teachers, AND parents are all responsible for the children. There is nothing wrong with a few minutes of silent prayer that everyone could direct to his particular religion; why can't that be? A few minutes of silence certainly would not delay teachings of the school day.
oxoxox

Murrysville, PA

#9 Apr 26, 2011
Time out wrote:
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Let's face it: Board, adminisrators, teachers, AND parents are all responsible for the children. There is nothing wrong with a few minutes of silent prayer that everyone could direct to his particular religion; why can't that be? A few minutes of silence certainly would not delay teachings of the school day.
I agree with you. The teachers find time to do a line or two of coke so why not some prayer? BTW, how did Russell become the super of BVA when he barely graduated?????????
DIRTY politics

Belle Vernon, PA

#10 Apr 26, 2011
oxoxox wrote:
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I agree with you. The teachers find time to do a line or two of coke so why not some prayer? BTW, how did Russell become the super of BVA when he barely graduated?????????
He had a brother who was the cafeteria manager and was fired because of money. His sister in law who was the secretary in the guidance office was also in on the dirty deal doing her husband's cafeteria work on her computer (even though he HAD a secretary) from the guidance department. Her computer was taken and all the mess was found BUT Russell protected her and she is STILL there. DIRTY politics. Russell was often heard saying that he wanted only three years as superintendent. And, so, he got it when Nagy was forced out. At his salary he will receive a $130000 retirement. I was told after 40 years, you take the salary of your highest 3 years. It's interesting to read that he barely graduaated since he thrives on "talking down"to people. And he is famous for addressing his educator friends as "Dr." and they don't even have that degree. So, who do YOU think will be the next super? How about Godzak? She went from a classroom to curriculum at $91000; of course her husband WAS on the board...again DIRTY politics.

Since: Apr 11

Uniontown, PA

#11 Apr 26, 2011
When Russel retires, there ought to be a search committee in hiring the next superintendent outside the BVA school district. That would enforce the nepotism policy if there is even one on the books. Sorry, Godzak, your husband was on the school board when you got the curriculum director job. So therefore, it would be in the best interests of the BVA school district to look elsewhere to remain in consistency with the nepotism policy. Where was it ever etched in stone that so and so will be the next superintendent because of his or her connections on the school board. Let's stress the legitimate practice of enforcing the clean hiring process instead of the corrrupt and sneaky way of doing it. Also, if school board member Kraft has a daughter and son in law working in the BVA school district, then it be known that no more of his family members or close friends should be added to the BVA school district payroll. Otherwise, it is a violation of the nepotism school policy.
Try it

Monongahela, PA

#12 Apr 26, 2011
DIRTY politics wrote:
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He had a brother who was the cafeteria manager and was fired because of money. His sister in law who was the secretary in the guidance office was also in on the dirty deal doing her husband's cafeteria work on her computer (even though he HAD a secretary) from the guidance department. Her computer was taken and all the mess was found BUT Russell protected her and she is STILL there. DIRTY politics. Russell was often heard saying that he wanted only three years as superintendent. And, so, he got it when Nagy was forced out. At his salary he will receive a $130000 retirement. I was told after 40 years, you take the salary of your highest 3 years. It's interesting to read that he barely graduaated since he thrives on "talking down"to people. And he is famous for addressing his educator friends as "Dr." and they don't even have that degree. So, who do YOU think will be the next super? How about Godzak? She went from a classroom to curriculum at $91000; of course her husband WAS on the board...again DIRTY politics.
I have an in law who graduated with Russell and he told me Russell was a huge dud. Very poor grades. He got the job as super by 'connections' and don't think that he is not controlled. This clown needs someone to tie his shoes and make sure his underpanties are not backwards . What a farce the BVASD is. Time for a really large can of RAID to clean out all these insects.

Since: Apr 11

Uniontown, PA

#13 Apr 27, 2011
The system needs to be revised big time. There cannot be anymore of this pick and choose scheme like Jesse Cramer holding down both athletic director job and director of security in the same school disitrict. The private country club or inner circle atmosphere has been going on for too long with the taxpayers taking a back seat to the shenanigans. Since when does a former football coach (winless 0-10 season) get rewarded with failure! There are some good people in the BVA school district who got hired by merit and not by connections with the school board.
Valley14

Belle Vernon, PA

#14 Apr 27, 2011
Northmen, I agree with you 100%. Jesse Cramer runs our school. He hired all of his buddies around him and we give him more money for the B.S. titles. The board needs to start cutting the fat and it starts with him, but have you even heard any mention of cutting his titles. He never gets mentioned in these cuts and it drives me nuts. Facilities manager is another great title he has - wtf - more money for him.
DIRTY politics

Belle Vernon, PA

#15 Apr 27, 2011
northmen19 wrote:
The system needs to be revised big time. There cannot be anymore of this pick and choose scheme like Jesse Cramer holding down both athletic director job and director of security in the same school disitrict. The private country club or inner circle atmosphere has been going on for too long with the taxpayers taking a back seat to the shenanigans. Since when does a former football coach (winless 0-10 season) get rewarded with failure! There are some good people in the BVA school district who got hired by merit and not by connections with the school board.
This may be referred to as "the peter principle". Or, as someone else wrote on one of these forums, the "get out of jail free card".
Inquisitive

Belle Vernon, PA

#16 Apr 27, 2011
Valley14 wrote:
Northmen, I agree with you 100%. Jesse Cramer runs our school. He hired all of his buddies around him and we give him more money for the B.S. titles. The board needs to start cutting the fat and it starts with him, but have you even heard any mention of cutting his titles. He never gets mentioned in these cuts and it drives me nuts. Facilities manager is another great title he has - wtf - more money for him.
You've heard of "Wally World"; well, we have "Jesse's World" at BVA. Along with that...we have "Stevie Wonder" as the superintendent. Aren't we the lucky ones? But, how CAN Mr. Cramer hold all these titles (with pay) and be magistrate? How can ANY of those jobs be carried out efficiently in a day? Or ARE they being done? And, BVA ALumni (who's possibly an educator) is complaining about the multi plex...look around the entire district and see how and where money is being thrown away. Money that isn't there and that's why the tax hike.
Valley14

Belle Vernon, PA

#17 Apr 27, 2011
We can pay a teacher 7 or 8k to do the AD job and eliminate the rest of his so called positions. Also, cut some other people's jobs. It's time school board other districts have started and you haven't made any personnel moves. Steel valley today cut several positions including the AD job to part time. Lets go BVA it's time.
Fact finder

Belle Vernon, PA

#18 Apr 27, 2011
Try it wrote:
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I have an in law who graduated with Russell and he told me Russell was a huge dud. Very poor grades. He got the job as super by 'connections' and don't think that he is not controlled. This clown needs someone to tie his shoes and make sure his underpanties are not backwards . What a farce the BVASD is. Time for a really large can of RAID to clean out all these insects.
His connections that control him - I'll give you 3 guesses at THIS time. Would you believe KRAFT, Bialon, and Patterson? I don't know about the other 4. At times, they go either way BUT I do know GLOVER and KUNKA do not vote to appease that weazel. I did notice at the last meeting he has reduced his facial expressions but it still didn't enhance his personalilty.
Get nepotism policy back

Belle Vernon, PA

#19 Apr 27, 2011
northmen19 wrote:
When Russel retires, there ought to be a search committee in hiring the next superintendent outside the BVA school district. That would enforce the nepotism policy if there is even one on the books. Sorry, Godzak, your husband was on the school board when you got the curriculum director job. So therefore, it would be in the best interests of the BVA school district to look elsewhere to remain in consistency with the nepotism policy. Where was it ever etched in stone that so and so will be the next superintendent because of his or her connections on the school board. Let's stress the legitimate practice of enforcing the clean hiring process instead of the corrrupt and sneaky way of doing it. Also, if school board member Kraft has a daughter and son in law working in the BVA school district, then it be known that no more of his family members or close friends should be added to the BVA school district payroll. Otherwise, it is a violation of the nepotism school policy.
There WAS a policy at one time. Would be interesting to learn who eliminated it. Not sure, but seem to think it was under Chandler or Nagy's regime.

Does anyone know IF it's true the district is paying Godzak's tuition for her superintendent's papers?

Kraft has a daughter and HER brother in law on the faculty staff. His son has been suspended for some time without pay from the custodial or maintenance staff BUT the district is STILL paying his health plan for him AND his family. Have any idea what that costs a month for a family plan with a $5 co pay?
The eliminator

Belle Vernon, PA

#20 Apr 27, 2011
Valley14 wrote:
We can pay a teacher 7 or 8k to do the AD job and eliminate the rest of his so called positions. Also, cut some other people's jobs. It's time school board other districts have started and you haven't made any personnel moves. Steel valley today cut several positions including the AD job to part time. Lets go BVA it's time.
The district could pay a coach or phys ed teacher to do that job.
I read on one of these three forums that we have shop and child care and home ec at the high school AND we also pay for our students to attend the Vocational school which offers these same programs. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If it's true, why not cut one or the other?

Do two counselors making $88000 a piece at the high school need a secretary? MANY districts do NOT have a guidance secretary. Are 3 secretaries needed in the high school office when you have an automated phone system? And, what is the purpose of the "greeter" in the administration building who can be found shopping during work hours? I'm not pinpointing the personnel but I am saying those positions could be eliminated and those secretaries could "bump". AND, do we need all those principals? The state doesn't regulate how many principals are needed per student enrollment. NOW, we're talking big bucks! IF the high school NEEDS a second administrator, hire a Dean of Students. I heard a woman voice that at a meeting and later I learned many districts are doing that during this budget crisis. Do they still offer a class at the high school called TV production or mass media? Is THAT necessary? How many other districts offer that - not many, if any at all in our area. And, just what are class sizes at the high school? Maybe the overpaid curriculum girl could come up with some numbers and have some consolidation as other schools are doing.

No one wants to see anyone lose his job BUT times ARE bad and it is happening EVERYWHERE not only in education but industry/business as well.

Cost cuts CAN be made without hurting the students education. BVA is the ONLY distict who will NOT announce what its plans are. And, we all know it WON'T happen till after election. That's why Monday's meeting was cancelled and next week's meeting is closed to the public. Get wise, taxpayers and get Kraft out NOW. We can do it one at a time with Bialon and Patterson next IF Patterson doesn't resign before his term is up. Should Kraft lose, we have to be sure that board doesn't fill a vacancy with him AGAIN.

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