God's word proves the Rapture is a lie
Jeanie

Huntsville, AL

#7039 Nov 22, 2012
you know Malachi, it sure does'nt sound like baps has too much of that peace he claims he has or he wouldn't be so insulting of others and sound so grouchy all the time, now would he?? if thats peace i sure don't want any of it, how bout you? i bet it just irks the heck out of him cause he can't get us riled up! lol

“Get real, Only ONE is perfect.”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#7041 Nov 23, 2012
Jeanie wrote:
you know Malachi, it sure does'nt sound like baps has too much of that peace he claims he has or he wouldn't be so insulting of others and sound so grouchy all the time, now would he?? if thats peace i sure don't want any of it, how bout you? i bet it just irks the heck out of him cause he can't get us riled up! lol
...Looked into his little "study" and once again baps proves himself to be like a reed shakin' in the wind, getting blown about by false doctrines of men....It's linked to a man named Eddie Chumney...raised Protestant but now refers himself to "rabbi"...(They love the place of honor and the chief seats in the synagogues and respectful greetings in the market places and being called by men, "Rabbi." But do not be called "Rabbi, for One is your Teacher…" Matthew 23:8)...Referred to as a CULT(Hebrew Roots Movement) broken off/divided into their own denomination from the Messianic belief sprinkled with Kabblist ("Kabbalah", mystical teachings )...Looking in to this false prophet, you'll see him linked with other false rapture teachers/prophets such as Chuck Missler and Hal Lindsey...all "date setters"...Those that "SAY" they are Jews, but are of the synagogue of satan...
...Yup,..I've said all along that baps displays the opposite of what the fruits of The Spirit are ...His negativity is nothing I want in my life...and his lack of YHVH's love is a dead giveaway who he's really serving...He's ever "learning",..but never coming to this truth...and the truth is....ABOVE ALL, Charity which is LOVE!


Anderson Guy

Mount Vernon, MO

#7042 Nov 23, 2012
How touching! Would YOU love a serpent that's only interested in biting you??? I think not. Lose the fake love and false caring. You just make me nauseaous.
Anderson Guy

Mount Vernon, MO

#7043 Nov 23, 2012
You both worship the devil and he has you both fooled. Time will prove I am right.
Jeanie

Madison, AL

#7044 Nov 23, 2012
Hey Milachi doesn't baps, er i mean ol grouchy, just say the sweetest things!!!he really does love us, you know!lol

“Get real, Only ONE is perfect.”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#7045 Nov 25, 2012
Jeanie wrote:
Hey Milachi doesn't baps, er i mean ol grouchy, just say the sweetest things!!!he really does love us, you know!lol
...lol,..He "loves" us so much with his snid remarks and he wants to see us burn in hell..NOT the LOVE of YHVH because YHVH wants no one to perish...and time will tell that YHVH is right...Not prideful baps who thinks he's so right...
Anderson Guy

Carl Junction, MO

#7046 Nov 25, 2012
You are a liar! I do not want you to burn in hell! I have prayed many times that both of you will repent of your false doctrine and receive the TRUE Jesus Christ. But if you do not, the Word says you will perish in the Lake of Fire.
Jeanie

Courtland, AL

#7047 Nov 25, 2012
Anderson Guy wrote:
You are a liar! I do not want you to burn in hell! I have prayed many times that both of you will repent of your false doctrine and receive the TRUE Jesus Christ. But if you do not, the Word says you will perish in the Lake of Fire.
Baps finally has it right,,,,the word absolutely does say "sinners" will "perish" (death of the soul) in the lake of fire.

“Get real, Only ONE is perfect.”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#7048 Nov 25, 2012
Jeanie wrote:
<quoted text> Baps finally has it right,,,,the word absolutely does say "sinners" will "perish" (death of the soul) in the lake of fire.
...That's right Jeanie..but like we've seen before,..baps seems to think a soul burns forever in that lake of fire when YHVH's Word says to perish is to fully die;..the death of the soul,..never ever to be anymore...We repented sinners don't have to worry about that...and again I'll say,..I'm glad YHVH is our Judge and baps little judgments over us have no effect...Only YHVH knows the hearts and minds of any of us.
...AND baps,..to love one with and through the love of YHVH,..one does not act out as negative as you do,...AND you're serving that wrong little fake jesus ..It's a dead giveaway because that fake has no real love just as you have shown none...We look for and long for the true Yahshua and know the reality of going through that final tribulation looking past that fake to come and because we love with the love of Yahshua, we wish not even you to perish, but for you to SEE the truth,..that the fake one comes first so that even you may live eternally with Him instead of never being anymore...Quit being so hatefilled and follow His first and second command...Learn about His true love from Him so that you'll know what true love is and how love really acts...
Anderson Guy

Carl Junction, MO

#7049 Nov 25, 2012
I am not hatefilled. I pity both of you...as well as all sinners falling into hell at this very moment. The lake of fire is eternal and the punishment never stops. You are twisting scripture as usual and you will answer for it.
Anderson Guy

Carl Junction, MO

#7050 Nov 25, 2012
Several incorrect premises have caused some to reject the pretribulation Rapture and accept the position called the "postribulation Rapture." The first premise is an emotional contention that it would be unfair for the modern Church to escape to heaven scot free to escape the martyrdom that other believers have experienced. While it is easy to understand such an emotion, it would be wrong to deny the doctrine of the pretribulation Rapture on this basis alone. The reality is that while many Christians have endured tremendous persecutions and tribulations, untold millions of believers have lived out their lives in times of peace. Furthermore, all of those Christians who died in either peace or persecution throughout history have already escaped the Great Tribulation.

An underlying attitude of many critics is their inorrect and unscriptural belief that the Church will somehow be purified by enduring the wrath of the Antichrist. However, the Scriptures declare that we are purified solely by the completed work of Christ on the Cross. If the Lord delays His return much longer, the rising tide of persecution of Christians affect the Church across the world. However, this will not constitute the Tribulation period which will be characterized by the wrath of God poured out from heaven on the unrepentant sinners during the final seven years of this age. Some critics have claimed that those who teach the hope of the pretribulation rapture are leaving Christians unprepared for the possibility of the coming persecution of the Tribulation period. However, in thirty-five years of teaching Bible prophecy, I have not witnessed pretribulation Rapture teachers instructing Christians that they are immune from end-time persecution. The prophecy teachers, myself included, who believe God promises that Christians will escape "wrath of God" in the Tribulation often warn believers that persecution is coming, even in North America, if the Lord tarries much longer. However, the postribulation Rapture position can rob the Church of her blessed hope. Jesus promised, "I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth" (Revelation 3:10).
Anderson Guy

Carl Junction, MO

#7051 Nov 25, 2012
The second and more important reason why some are teaching that the Church will be present during this terrible time is the failure to distinguish between God's plan for Israel and His plan for the Church, especially in the prophecy revealed by Christ in Matthew 24. They often acknowledge that there is strong biblical evidence for a pretribulation Rapture; however, they inevitably come back to their interpretation of Matthew 24, which seems to indicate that the Rapture follows the events of the Great Tribulation.

In the passage in Matthew 24, Christ is on the Temple Mount explaining to His Jewish disciples the events that will occur in Israel and in other nations that will lead to the return of Christ as their Jewish Messiah. The disciples' question that Jesus was answering concerned the coming of Israel's long-promised Kingdom, not the coming of Christ for His Church (which they did not even know about). It is easy to forget that, at this point, before the crucifixion of our Lord and the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, there was no such thing as a Christian Church. If you had told one of the disciples during the week before Christ's crucifixion that someday there would be an organization based on Christ's teachings, called the Church, and that 99 percent of its members would be uncircumcised Gentiles who would follow neither Jewish law nor offer Temple sacrifices, he would probably have fallen off his chair in shock and disbelief. One of the classic mistakes in interpretation is to take this conversation between Christ and His Jewish disciples concerning the messianic kingdom and read back into it the reality of the Christian Church which did not come into existence until the Jews rejected Christ and God breathed life into His Body of believers.
Anderson Guy

Carl Junction, MO

#7052 Nov 25, 2012
Since Christ does not mention the Church to His disciples in this conversation, the plain interpretation is that Israel is the primary focus of the Prophecy of Matthew 24. Matthew 24 speaks of the Great Tribulation, and beginning at verse 15, Christ states that the Antichrist will set up the "abomination of desolation" (a supernatural statue of the Antichrist) to be worshiped in the Temple. In verses 40 and 41, Jesus says, "Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left." A vital question for students of the Bible is the identity of these people who "shall be taken." Does this prophecy refer to the Church or does it reveal God's plans for the Tribulation saint who become believers after the Rapture?

This chapter tells us that at the end of the Great Tribulation, God will send His angels and "they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other" (verse 31). These "elect" are the people who become believers during the Great Tribulation of three and one-half years. This gathering together is not the Rapture. This gathering of Tribulation believers takes place at the end of the Tribulation, whereas the Rapture of the Church occurs sometime prior to the beginning of the Great Tribulation when Antichrist sets himself up as "God" in the Temple. Notice that the angels "gather the elect" (verse 31), whereas, at the time of the Rapture, "The Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first" (1 Thessalonians 4:16--17). This gathering of the "elect" Tribulation saints will occur at the conclusion of three and one-half years --- a period of time for which there are the most detailed prophecies found in the Bible.
Anderson Guy

Carl Junction, MO

#7053 Nov 25, 2012
The Bible describes many Tribulation events that must occur prior to the "gathering" of the Tribulation saints and thus, it cannot be correctly described as "imminent." These facts have caused many scholars to believe that this "gathering" is, therefore, a different event than the "Rapture" of the Church. However, when we turn our attention to the coming of Christ for His Church, we find that there are no warnings or signals given to indicate the time of the Rapture. The Rapture can literally occur at any time.

The third reason postribulationist writers have attacked the pretribulation Rapture doctrine by claiming that it cannot be true because no Church writer or Reformer ever taught this doctrine until approximately 170 years ago until it was introduced by John Darby, a Plymouth Brethren. Their argument that no one ever saw this "truth" throughout eighteen hundred years of Church history has been very effective, causing many Christians to abandon their belief in the pretribulation Rapture. The only problem is that their assertion that no one in the early Church taught the pretribulation Rapture has been found to be incorrect.
Anderson Guy

Carl Junction, MO

#7054 Nov 25, 2012
Obviously the truth about the time of the Rapture can be found only in Scripture. The Protestant Reformation was based essentially on this return to the authority of the Bible. The Latin phrase sola Scriptura, meaning "Scripture alone" became the rallying cry of the Reformers who ignored centuries of tradition and church councils in their insistence that truth could only be discovered in the Word of God. While the resolution of this issue must be based on our interpretation of Scripture, it is important to answer the errors of our opponents, who disparage "the blessed hope" of the Rapture with misinformation about the modern rediscovery of the truth about the pretribulation Rapture.

A Discovery that the Pretribulation Rapture Was Taught in the Early Church

During the summer of 1994, after more than a decade of searching, I discovered several fascinating manuscripts that contain clear evidence of the teaching of the pre-tribulation rapture in the early church.

Ephraem's Teaching on the Pretribulation Rapture

For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins.(On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World, by Ephraem the Syrian, A.D. 373)

The early Christian writer and poet, Ephraem the Syrian,(A.D. 306 - 373) was a major theologian of the early Byzantine Eastern Church. He was born near Nisbis, in the Roman province of Syria, near present-day Edessa, Turkey. Ephraem's fascinating teaching on the Antichrist has never been published in English until I wrote FINAL WARNING in 1995. Some scholars suggested that this manuscript was written several centuries later (5th or 6th century) but definitely before the birth of Islam in 622. However William Bousset, one of the greatest scholars on ancient eschatology, concluded in his book The Antichrist Legend that it was written by Ephraem the Syrian before A.D. 373.1 Andrew R. Anderson wrote in his book Alexander's Gate that he accepted the early date as being valid.2

This critically important prophecy manuscript from the fourth century of the Church era reveals a very clear statement about the pretribulational return of Christ to take His elect saints home to heaven to escape the coming Tribulation. For additional details read the article Examining an ancient Pre-tribulation Rapture statement on this web site.

1. William Bousset, The Antichrist Legend, trans. A. H. Keane (London: Hutchinson & Co., 1896)

2. Andrew R. Anderson, Alexander's Gate: Gog and Magog and the Enclosed Nations. Monographs of the Mediaeval Academy of America, no. 5.(Cambridge, MA.: Mediaeval Academy of America, 1932)



Anderson Guy

Carl Junction, MO

#7055 Nov 25, 2012
Having ears they cannot hear....
Anderson Guy

Carl Junction, MO

#7056 Nov 25, 2012
You both now have proof that McPherson has been spreading lies about the rapture. Open your eyes and ears before its too late. And dont come back on here with nothing but repentance, or I will accuse you two of being the ones that are hate filled. Repent! While there is still yet time.
Jeanie

Huntsville, AL

#7057 Nov 25, 2012
Ephraem's Teaching on the Pretribulation Rapture

For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins.(On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World, by Ephraem the Syrian, A.D. 373)
This critically important prophecy manuscript from the fourth century of the Church era reveals a very clear statement about the pretribulational return of Christ to take His elect saints home to heaven to escape the coming Tribulation. For additional details read the article Examining an ancient Pre-tribulation Rapture statement on this web site.

1. William Bousset, The Antichrist Legend, trans. A. H. Keane (London: Hutchinson & Co., 1896)

2. Andrew R. Anderson, Alexander's Gate: Gog and Magog and the Enclosed Nations. Monographs of the Mediaeval Academy of America, no. 5.(Cambridge, MA.: Mediaeval Academy of America, 1932)

So, Malachi , i guess this means that we are supposed to believe there will be a rapture now just because these men may have taught that there will be????funny, i still don't see anywhere the bible teaches there will be a rapture, do you??no thanks , one has to go by what the bible says, not what these ignorant false teachers say, with absolutely no scripture to back them up.
Jeanie

Huntsville, AL

#7058 Nov 25, 2012
Anderson Guy wrote:
I am not hatefilled. I pity both of you...as well as all sinners falling into hell at this very moment. The lake of fire is eternal and the punishment never stops. You are twisting scripture as usual and you will answer for it.
would you just please tell us what in the world do you think the word "perish" means???

“Get real, Only ONE is perfect.”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#7059 Nov 26, 2012
...Hey baps!...Let YHVH's Word Speak!

What Will Happen To The Wicked
In Hellfire - Is There An Eternal Hell?

• Will there come a day of destruction for the wicked?
"That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath." Job 21:30.
• How will they be destroyed?
"Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the LORD shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them." Psalms 21:9.

• What will happen to evildoers?
"For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth." Psalms 37:9.

• What will happen to the wicked?
"For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be." Psalms 37:10.

• Will the wicked go on living throughout eternity?
"But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away." Psalms 37:20.

• So the wicked will be destroyed and not burn forever?
"But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off." Psalms 37:38.

• But doesn't "cut off" only mean they will be separated from God?
"As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God." Psalms 68:2.

• So then this must mean that the wicked will be no more or consumed?
"Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more. Bless thou the LORD, O my soul. Praise ye the LORD." Psalms 104:35.

• So there will be a final destruction of the wicked, they will not burn in hell for eternity?
"The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy." Psalms 145:20.

• What method will God use to destroy the wicked?
"Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it." Isaiah 47:14.

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