Bella Vista POA.
Fisherman

Fayetteville, AR

#166 Oct 12, 2012
Polly Doodle wrote:
...and your point is????
If you don't live here, what's it to you?
Polly Doodle - stay away from this topic. You have nothing constructive to say. You're just a board member or an x board member sticking up for your corrupt buds. This topic isn't for you. It's for the aggrieved. Your presence is not welcome here. Go doodle somewhere else.
Do-Gooder

Rogers, AR

#167 Oct 13, 2012
Polly Doodle does not use her Noodle.

Polly Doodle = POA Attorney Chasity Clark Fittro
XPOA

Centerton, AR

#168 Oct 13, 2012
Polly Doodle wrote:
...and your point is????
If you don't live here, what's it to you?
If you don't know me, then might I also ask " what's it to you"? Perhaps rather than focusing on the intent of the message you would be willing to instead address the content of the message. Is there any data I provided that you consider, and can prove, materially false? Because I am quite sure that I can substantiate the claims. I am also perfectly willing to concede to any error if you would simply be so kind as to point it out. If not then it might be of value to consider the severity of the situation.

My feeling is that Bella Vista residents and potential residents have an irrefutable right to be well informed of all financial responsibilities and liabilities associated with Bella Vista residency. They also have a right to full disclosure of any potential risks that exist by virtue of membership and further the right to all legal accommodations afforded to them by law. I also feel very strongly that Bella Vista residents are entitled, without exception, to justice and compensation for any and all acts committed against them by local leadership.

I am willing to go on record and state that the City of Bella Vista and the Bella Vista POA each has engaged in unlawful conduct. This includes numerous activities that are expressly prohibited by law and contrary to the better interests of the people. Are you willing to publically refute such claims? If not, then might I ask what compels you to endorse such activity and defend such persons? It is one thing for you to sell your own personal interests out to corporate interest, but quite another to insist that every other family in Bella Vista do the same.
XPOA

Centerton, AR

#169 Oct 13, 2012
When confronted on the senseless regulation and growing despotism of the POA, the organization (or rather the organization's leadership) systematically touts that members had an option when joining. While this may be true, you might consider the basic right of any US citizen to move to any US city without impediment or the obligation to join a private association as a stipulation of such move. By recognizing this option you inherently concede that the POA is in fact violating the aforementioned right. According to law, no citizen may be compelled to join an organization.

If a family's choice to refrain from joining the POA inherently prevents that family's right to move to the city of Bella Vista, then it may be concluded that the POA is in fact violating all those who maintain the right to move freely to and from any town at their leisure. It may further be deduced that the POA is acting as a detriment to the prosperity of the city by stifling positive growth and economic prosperity. By establishing such disadvantage, the POA is effectively harming the welfare of the city, and thus its citizens. Since these citizens are also members of the POA, it may be logically stated that the POA is acting as a disservice to its membership.

One of the trademarks of a free market economy is that consumers have a right to spend their money as they wish and further maintain the right to not spend at all. Since membership in the POA does translate to a "forced expenditure", and one that neither guarantees any product or service, then it seems that the association serves as an anomaly to the capitalist framework in which it exists.

Many POA members are aware of the many documented cases whereas disgruntled members have rudely been told by various board members "if you don't like it, then move". Loosely paraphrased, these individuals are saying "tough luck, we do not care about your grievances". According to the POA itself, board members speak with one voice. Therefore any sentiments expressed by one board member are assumed to be mutually held by all directors. In attempting to run off dissatisfied customers, the Board is violating various civil protections that enable and protect an individual's right to live in a city without censor. In short, the POA is claiming the right to control where people can or can not live.
XPOA

Centerton, AR

#170 Oct 13, 2012
To "Polly Doodle"

Since you do not seem to be swayed by common sense or compelled by legal doctrine, I thought I might make you a proposition. I was thinking about installing a mechanical bull in the shed in the backyard, was needing a little money, and was hoping that you might be willing to donate to the cause. It will require you to sign a contract which will in turn require you to pay $24 a month.

In the interest of good business, I need you to know up-front that while your pledge will indeed help to finance the purchase of the actual mechanical bull, it will not in any way guarantee you the right to ride it. Unfortunately, I will maintain control of all usage rights, which are, by-the-way, subject to change at my whim. I will also reserve the right to up your monthly charge if ever and whenever I choose.

If you are willing to pay me, say an extra $10 per ride, I will probably let you ride the bull. But then again, I may not. As a condition of our agreement, I am also asking that you help to finance a my salary. I will probably be too wrapped up with this project to go out and get another job. I am also asking that you cover the property insurance and liability insurance required to operate this darn thing. If anyone gets hurt, which they probably will, you will be responsible for their coverage.

I am planning to draft up some rules that riders, such as yourself, will be required to obey when they come over. I'm afraid you will not have any say in these rules, but will be expected to finance any issues arising from them. You will be kind of like a silent partner, except for the fact that you won't ever see any return on your investment. That is to say if ever I decide to sell the equipment, don't plan on receiving any payout.

Once I get things up and runnin', I thought maybe you could also buy me a car to conduct my business in. Like any person, I'm also going to have to feed myself and thought you could maybe open up an expense account that would pay for my meals.

In order to pay this thing off I'm obviously going to some other investors. I was thinking about putting together some marketing, maybe some flyers or something. Maybe even a promotional website. This is obviously gonna cost money and I thought you might be able to help in this regard. Someone also told me it would be wise to retain an attorney, given the possibility of law suits and such. Perhaps you could help with this.

There are also quite a few other considerations that I've jotted down. At some point I'm going to need to build a new facility. There are also certain utility issues that need to be addressed. We can discuss all of that after you sign the contract of course.

I realize this whole deal might seem a little shady, but don't fret. I thought maybe once things took off we could also buy us a used ferris wheel. Surely a person can buy a ferris wheel. I was thinkin' maybe a used one from a carnival. And before you get too excited, realize that the theme I want to project here is not one of opportunity. No no. I think that the more money I make the more I will restrict investors such as yourself. Kind of a control thing.

In fact, my first rule is going to be that participants don't pay me then I get their houses and property. A little selfish, I know. If you balk, I'm sure you and your kids can go find somewhere else to live.

If you're interested, let me know. If not then perhaps you would be willing to tell me how this plan is any different than that of the POA's? So your not interested in mechanical bulls, huh? Well I'm not interested in playing golf. Not too big on ferris wheels? Well I'm not too big on shuffleboard, tennis, or organized crime.

You reap what you sow friend and if your going to spend your days promoting corporate servitude, prepare to be a slave. If your willing to sacrifice the welfare of your neighbors for nothing more than a cheap round of golf, then prepare to be sacrificed.
Confused in BV

Rogers, AR

#171 Dec 12, 2012
I here what your saying. But I just want the scummy tree trimming company that is renting the first house on our street gone. They park there 10 trucks all over the yard and into the lot across the street from them, garbage is scattered throughout their yard and into the hollow behind them because they leave it out for the coons to rummage through. Everyone one of them look like they just got out of prison last week. Every night when they all pile into the house their sewage system stinks up the neighborhood.....I could go on. These are the type of people that can live this way because they aren't residents they just have a place to squat while they are here on contract. How do I make that go away? Who do I need to sit down with, or who do I need to vote out of office for turning the blind eye? Is there not somebody out there being paid a salary funded in some way by me a property owner to deal with this kind of a situation?
Whistling Dixie

Rogers, AR

#172 Dec 13, 2012
If the septic is a large part of the problem, perhaps the place to start is with the county health dept. If they can't help ask who can.

I agree with your stance....it looks like a used truck lot, and I can't imagine what the inside looks and smells like.

Or better yet.....go to the Benton County appraiser or tax collector website, find out who owns the house and contact them.

It's for darn sure the city won't do a thing.
NWA-D

Bentonville, AR

#173 Jan 31, 2013
If its in BV, then how about Mike, at code enforcemeng??
Robert

Bentonville, AR

#175 Feb 7, 2013
I did but didn't know or think it was this bad.

The best way I can describe it is it's like living under the thumbnail of a corporate storefront.

If you place value on your constitutional rights, you will not be happy living in Bella Vista, AR.
Matthew

Bentonville, AR

#176 Feb 9, 2013
In 2012 the POA's General Manager stated "Most importantly, the association is a $25 million corporation that needs to be run well. The news is full of stories about corporations in trouble, because sound business practices were not followed. The association is on sound financial footing because of an adequate reserve fund."

In 2013 the POA conducted a ten-year budget analysis. It was concluded that over the next ten years, the POA would suffer a shortfall of approximately $162 million dollars.
Billy Bob

Springdale, AR

#177 Feb 9, 2013
It is only a matter of time. The POA is on a down ward slide.
Matthew

Bentonville, AR

#178 Feb 10, 2013
GUEST wrote:
<quoted text>And you people pay to live there.Did you not know this when you moved there?
Think of it as well-packaged debt slavery. And to answer your question, yes, potential members are provided a good deal of information to assist them in making a decision. However they are also fed a great deal of disinformation and propaganda. This is in addition to a substantial number of facts that are intentionally withheld by the organization in order to attract potential homeowners.

The POA's 2012 FAQs Brochure (for instance) states "Keeping property assessments current entitles all resident and nonresident Bella Vista Village property owners access to all of the village’s amenities." It then lists 11 items such as golf, tennis, and gun range. This is partially true and partially untrue, thus deceptively maligned with sound business practice.

What it should say is "Keeping property assessments current provides all resident and nonresident Bella Vista Village property owners the possibility of using the said amenities." Members are actually required to pay to utilize these amenities even though they own them. I do not believe that paying assessment dues secures the "right" to receive a single service or product from the POA.

There are numerous examples of this sort of deception employed by the POA. For example, potential homeowners are informed that they will be buying into the community water system. What they are not told is that as members they will not have the right to use the $42 million water system. The organization also hides the fact that it's members have no right to even receive water.

What the POA does, and does fairly well, is to dress liabilities as opportunities. Over the years, the Bella Vista POA has made what likely amounts to hundreds of millions of dollars (all tax-free) selling families liabilities. It's what Arkansas Law calls "false advertising" and what the POA's General Manager and Board of Directors call business as usual.
Robert

Bentonville, AR

#179 Feb 11, 2013
The Bella Vista POA still advertises Bella Vista as living in a "Village". That it is not, for Bella Vista is now a city.

Years ago, the Bella Vista POA not only provided amenities but also municipal services as in fire dept., police dept., and ect. All municipal services are now transferred to the city except for the water department.

The POA controls the membership amenities known as the "POA Common Property" but the POA still controls the water department. If you have a city residential property in Bella Vista and do not pay your POA monthly assessments(dues), the POA possesses the ability or option to shut your "city" house water off for not paying your POA water bill or your POA monthly assessments (dues). This is the POA's method of control on their ability to ensure they get your money.

I would also point out that most home lots and home lots with homes built upon them are basically under the jurisdiction of the city and not the POA.

The POA common property know as the amenities are within the boundary of the city limits.

What I'm saying is Bella Vista is no longer a Village. Bella Vista is a city! The Bella Vista POA still promotes itself as a village and that is not true.

For example, the POA annually hosts a "Deck the Village" contest during the holidays by a contest featuring decorated homes on what the POA still calls the "Village"

Bella Vista is no longer a village! That is their marketing spin and propaganda. Some call it plain BS. Those decorated "city" homes are now within the jurisdiction of the CITY of which you pay city taxes and are not located on POA common property.

Big AL

Bentonville, AR

#180 Feb 11, 2013
The Bella Vista POA also advertises that "Bella Vista" per say is a "private member-based community."

This may give you the idea that "Bella Vista" is private or some kind of gated community.

Well, "Bella Vista" in not a private nor a gated community. "Bella Vista" is a city and is open to the public at large.

First, there is no gate or gate guard in Bella Vista. Anyone with a driver license can drive a registered vehicle through the city limits. Roads throughout the city roads are maintained by the city by a city street department.

What is private in Bella Vista : Access to the POA amenities or POA common property.

Calling the Bella Vista POA "a community" is a stretch of the imagination.

The POA is a non-profit corporation of which many believe is managed like a for-profit.
Scooter

Bentonville, AR

#181 Feb 13, 2013
The taxpaying public who reside within a municipality (city limits) are the true make-up of "community" due to a vested interest that includes social responsibility.

Corporations (POAs) are not communities.

Gary

Bentonville, AR

#182 Feb 13, 2013
On behalf of the residents, Bella Vista has had a parade every 4th of July for many years now.

Any POA parade floats seen to show the locals (peasant class)their appreciation?

Any POA board members seen in the parades?

Any POA staff seen in the parades?

Any pompous POA board members or pompous POA staff members show up in the parade with their nose up in the air while riding their high horse?

The answer to all those questions are NO!

So much for community spirit...
Matthew

Bentonville, AR

#183 Feb 13, 2013
Gary wrote:
On behalf of the residents, Bella Vista has had a parade every 4th of July for many years now.
Any POA parade floats seen to show the locals (peasant class)their appreciation?
Any POA board members seen in the parades?
Any POA staff seen in the parades?
Any pompous POA board members or pompous POA staff members show up in the parade with their nose up in the air while riding their high horse?
The answer to all those questions are NO!
So much for community spirit...
I previously assisted the Bella Vista Patriots in setting up for the parade. There were 50 separate "slots" booked for the parade. The only two "groups" that failed to show up were the City of Bella Vista and the horses at the end of the parade that cancelled due to inclement weather.

And wouldn't you know it, the Bella Vista POA refused to take part in the parade. But then again, patriotism is not one of the organization's strong suits. I don't think the POA has much interest in matters that don't have profit potential. But then again I can't tell that the POA has much interest in the community either.
Alice

Bentonville, AR

#184 Feb 15, 2013
Scooter wrote:
The taxpaying public who reside within a municipality (city limits) are the true make-up of "community" due to a vested interest that includes social responsibility.
Corporations (POAs) are not communities.
Referencing corporations (Bella Vista POA) and that of what is known as granted "corporate personhood", corporations are people when the State of Texas executes one !!!
Robert

Bentonville, AR

#185 Feb 15, 2013
Once again, Bella Vista is a city, not a "village"!

The Bella Vista POA is not a community, it's a non-profit corporation!

Here is exactly how the Bella Vista POA defines itself on the front page of the POA website:

"Welcome to Bella Vista Village!

Bella Vista Village is a 36,000-acre recreational community and retirement destination in Northwest Arkansas offering 126 holes of golf, seven private lakes, swimming pools, tennis courts, walking trails and other amenities. The private, member-based community of 38,400 resident and nonresident property owners is located within Bella Vista, Ark., a newly incorporated city with nearly 26,000 residents. Bella Vista was recently ranked one of America's Top 10 Best Healthy Places To Retire by U.S. News & World Report, and one of the Top 25 best places for affordable homes by CNNMoney.com and Money Magazine. Guide of Bella Vista!"

Here is how the Bella Vista POA should define itself. This is how the POA defining statement should read on the front page of the POA website:

"Welcome to the Bella Vista Property Owners Association (POA), a non-profit corporation:

The Bella Vista Property Owners Association is a 36,000-acre is a recreational and retirement destination in Northwest Arkansas offering 126 holes of golf, seven private lakes, swimming pools, tennis courts, walking trails and other amenities. The private, member-based non-profit corporation of 38,400 resident and nonresident property owners is located within Bella Vista City limits, a newly incorporated city in Arkansas with nearly 26,000 residents. Although the Bella Vista POA currently faces a 62 million dollar shortfall projected over the next 10 years due to very poor management practices, knee-jerk decision making, and lack of a visionary strategic plan, the Bella Vista municipality was recently ranked one of America's Top 10 Best Healthy Places To Retire by U.S. News & World Report, and one of the Top 25 best places for affordable homes by CNNMoney.com and Money Magazine. Guide of Bella Vista!"
Scooter

Bentonville, AR

#186 Feb 15, 2013
Yep, that's right, no joke, the Bella Vista POA is facing a financial shortfall over the next 10 years to the tune of $62 million !

THE BELLA VISTA POA IS SOOOO BROKE......THAT THE POA STAFF AND POA THE POA BOARD CAN'T EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO IT'S MEMBERS ! LOL LOL LOL

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