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NRA Tanking in approval ratings--GOP needs to wake-up

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#1 Jan 16, 2013
The NRA sees a negative swing in its approval rating:

http://www.businessinsider.com/nra-approval-r...

A major turning point appears to have been Wayne La Pierre's press "conference" following the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary. Joe Scarborough had this to say recently:

“The extremism that has taken over my party on certain issues that has us running down rabbit trails neither Ronald Reagan or William F. Buckley would ever run down is what’s causing this party problems,” Scarborough said.“I’m a very conservative guy, but I think my party has gone in a direction that’s deeply disturbing to me on a lot of issues, especially this one right now.”

Scarborough, who served in Congress from 1995 to 2001 as a Republican representative from Florida, said the NRA’s push to protect the use of assault weapons and high capacity magazines has nothing to do with conservative politics, and called it a “radical” reaction to paranoia about the government.“There’s nothing conservative about this point of view, that survivalists believe they need these weapons to actually turn them on their own government.”

He added that gun control has long been seen as a “symbolic issue” for politicians playing toward voters deeply concerned with Second Amendment rights. But after the recent massacres in Newtown and Aurora,“it’s not about symbolism anymore,” Scarborough said.“This is not the party of Ronald Reagan—who, by the way, supported an assault weapons ban and helped pass it in 1994 by leaning on Republican members,” Scarborough added.“This is about the party of Wayne La Pierre. And Republicans need to decide: are they going to be the party of Wayne LaPierre, who’s upside down in approval ratings along with the NRA, or the party of Ronald Reagan, who won 49 states in 1984?”

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#2 Jan 16, 2013
Well yanno, It might be worth considering, if we did not have a government that its desire to control and manipulate is only surpassed by their ineptitude and has been working to outdo itself on both counts for more than the last century.

Freedoms given away willingly do not get restored when you realize it was a mistake.

While there may be no valid reason why guns should not require license and registration, the concept of allowing guns to go through the same path of regulation to prohibition that has been exhibited in other countries is potentially more dangerous than the guns themselves even with the devastation they have wrought.
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#3 Jan 16, 2013
Natalie_ wrote:
The NRA sees a negative swing in its approval rating:
http://www.businessinsider.com/nra-approval-r...
A major turning point appears to have been Wayne La Pierre's press "conference" following the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary. Joe Scarborough had this to say recently:
“The extremism that has taken over my party on certain issues that has us running down rabbit trails neither Ronald Reagan or William F. Buckley would ever run down is what’s causing this party problems,” Scarborough said.“I’m a very conservative guy, but I think my party has gone in a direction that’s deeply disturbing to me on a lot of issues, especially this one right now.”
Scarborough, who served in Congress from 1995 to 2001 as a Republican representative from Florida, said the NRA’s push to protect the use of assault weapons and high capacity magazines has nothing to do with conservative politics, and called it a “radical” reaction to paranoia about the government.“There’s nothing conservative about this point of view, that survivalists believe they need these weapons to actually turn them on their own government.”
He added that gun control has long been seen as a “symbolic issue” for politicians playing toward voters deeply concerned with Second Amendment rights. But after the recent massacres in Newtown and Aurora,“it’s not about symbolism anymore,” Scarborough said.“This is not the party of Ronald Reagan—who, by the way, supported an assault weapons ban and helped pass it in 1994 by leaning on Republican members,” Scarborough added.“This is about the party of Wayne La Pierre. And Republicans need to decide: are they going to be the party of Wayne LaPierre, who’s upside down in approval ratings along with the NRA, or the party of Ronald Reagan, who won 49 states in 1984?”
Bathwater, coffee, milk and Republicans are all things that are horrible luke warm. Republicans are going to continue to lose national elections as long as they keep trying to be democrat light. of course scalding hot, they are not good either (aiken, Angle, Odonnel et al) If Joe Scarborough is a conservative, heaven help us all. It seems to be the Democrats who are ducking for cover on gun control as Harry Reid wont even let it come to the floor in the senate. Good thing for Manchin I suppose.
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#5 Jan 17, 2013
wow wrote:
Polls: NRA More Popular than Obama, Media
A Gallup poll conducted in the wake of the Connecticut shooting shows that the NRA is viewed more favorably than Obama or the Mainstream Media.
This is astounding when you think of the concerted effort by Democrats and MSM talking heads to denigrate and shame both the NRA and gun-owners at large following the criminal acts of Adam Lanza.
According to the poll, carried out Dec. 19-22, the NRA is viewed favorably by 54% of Americans.
Contrast this with a CBS poll conducted for Obama on Dec. 12-16, wherein his favorable rating was only 49%, and a September Gallup poll focused on the media, wherein the MSM's favorable rating was 40.
The bottom line: the NRA remains popular because they defend our gun rights -- period. And now, more than ever, Americans know those rights need to be defended from gun-grabbing Democrats and duplicitous MSM personalities like David Gregory.
"According to the poll, carried out Dec. 19-22, the NRA is viewed favorably by 54% of Americans."

The NRA has seen a three week decline in it's approval rating of 10%--pulling old poll numbers to negate a statement regarding a sharp declining tread is incorrect.

The NRA is "not more popular than ever"... except perhaps for those who cannot grasp that this organization has become a mouthpiece for the gun manufacturers and dealers.

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#6 Jan 17, 2013
**sharp declining "trend"**

Sorry...

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#7 Jan 17, 2013
VirVoX Populi wrote:
Well yanno, It might be worth considering, if we did not have a government that its desire to control and manipulate is only surpassed by their ineptitude and has been working to outdo itself on both counts for more than the last century.
Freedoms given away willingly do not get restored when you realize it was a mistake.
While there may be no valid reason why guns should not require license and registration, the concept of allowing guns to go through the same path of regulation to prohibition that has been exhibited in other countries is potentially more dangerous than the guns themselves even with the devastation they have wrought.
So, you believe that the GOP should position itself as the party who supports arming every citizen to overthrow the government? Reflect on history for a moment, and you'll realize that great changes in American history did not occur at the point of a gun.

Did women arm themselves to force the government to give them the vote???

Did African Americans shoot their way to equal rights???

No... they didn't. The only time guns were used in a Civil uprising was the Civil War, and it led to the greatest loss of American life in any war fought.

Following the argument that we need to arm ourselves in anticipation of a revolution, would imply that we shouldn't just stockpile guns. We need fighter planes, tanks, bombs, atomic weapons, navy ships, and biological weapons. After all, this isn't 1775 or 1861.

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#8 Jan 17, 2013
capitalist pig wrote:
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Bathwater, coffee, milk and Republicans are all things that are horrible luke warm. Republicans are going to continue to lose national elections as long as they keep trying to be democrat light. of course scalding hot, they are not good either (aiken, Angle, Odonnel et al) If Joe Scarborough is a conservative, heaven help us all. It seems to be the Democrats who are ducking for cover on gun control as Harry Reid wont even let it come to the floor in the senate. Good thing for Manchin I suppose.
The Republicans have become the party driven by the far right. Clinging to the desires of that base will continue to diminish the relevance of the GOP. Just look at the demographics--White America is declining, organized religion is declining, and wealth is continuing to concentrate in a smaller percentage of the population making most of America poorer and poorer.

Gun control??? What makes you think for one moment that arming everyone won't 'backfire' in the face of the NRA?

I want my Republican party back... a shift to the left will get the party just back to slightly moderate. It's a start.

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#9 Jan 17, 2013
Natalie_ wrote:
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So, you believe that the GOP should position itself as the party who supports arming every citizen to overthrow the government? Reflect on history for a moment, and you'll realize that great changes in American history did not occur at the point of a gun.
Did women arm themselves to force the government to give them the vote???
Did African Americans shoot their way to equal rights???
No... they didn't. The only time guns were used in a Civil uprising was the Civil War, and it led to the greatest loss of American life in any war fought.
Following the argument that we need to arm ourselves in anticipation of a revolution, would imply that we shouldn't just stockpile guns. We need fighter planes, tanks, bombs, atomic weapons, navy ships, and biological weapons. After all, this isn't 1775 or 1861.
I agree to a certain extent, but all one has to do is look at Syria to see a determined people can overcome the fighter planes, tanks, bombs, etc.....They either get them elsewhere, or take them from the government..

Something like ten percent of the Russians overthrew the Czar in 1917..They brought the government down..

May not be 1775.. but the colonist were fighting the best trained and equiped Army and Navy in the world, which was the British of course, and they WON.

Vietnam...Ditto:...They forced the greatest military in History to withdrawl, with the pressure of course, of anti war citizens at home.

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#10 Jan 17, 2013
Natalie_ wrote:
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The Republicans have become the party driven by the far right. Clinging to the desires of that base will continue to diminish the relevance of the GOP. Just look at the demographics--White America is declining, organized religion is declining, and wealth is continuing to concentrate in a smaller percentage of the population making most of America poorer and poorer.
Gun control??? What makes you think for one moment that arming everyone won't 'backfire' in the face of the NRA?
I want my Republican party back... a shift to the left will get the party just back to slightly moderate. It's a start.
"I want my Republican party back... a shift to the left will get the party just back to slightly moderate. It's a start."
Me too:)
The resistance to gun control IS understandable...When one side gets a "fever" over something, especially a bunch of left wingers, they don't know when to quit..SOME gun advocates see ANY restriction as just a precursor for more controls.
I watched only about ten minutes of the Piers Morgan thing a couple of days ago...One "big time" police officer made the statement, their main problem is semi automatic handguns...NOW what bandwagon do you honestly think these anti gunners will get on next?

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#11 Jan 17, 2013
When they can't understand why the presidents family is protected and the rest of us are not, it shows the kinds of idiots we're dealing with here.
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#12 Jan 17, 2013
Natalie_ wrote:
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So, you believe that the GOP should position itself as the party who supports arming every citizen to overthrow the government? Reflect on history for a moment, and you'll realize that great changes in American history did not occur at the point of a gun.
Did women arm themselves to force the government to give them the vote???
Did African Americans shoot their way to equal rights???
No... they didn't. The only time guns were used in a Civil uprising was the Civil War, and it led to the greatest loss of American life in any war fought.
Following the argument that we need to arm ourselves in anticipation of a revolution, would imply that we shouldn't just stockpile guns. We need fighter planes, tanks, bombs, atomic weapons, navy ships, and biological weapons. After all, this isn't 1775 or 1861.
It is a more complex senario than simply tanks and jets against citizens armed with guns. It is a war that no one wants especially the government. After all the government would lose even if it won.
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#13 Jan 17, 2013
I know what the NRA is trying to do here and in some small parts I agree with them... but the problem that the NRA has is the leaders, spokespeople, contributors, pretty much the entire organization is INSANE. They are either choosing to not use or don't have any sort of resemblence of a brain regarding any topic with the word gun in it. They need to step back breathe and use some common knowledge stuff here... These assault rifles are not needed its ok to ban these killing machines the general public don't need em don't hunt with them they are evil leave me and my family our small pistols and rifles for hunting and you "the government" take the rest to protect my kids while they are at school or my wife while shes at the mall.

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#14 Jan 17, 2013
Natalie_ wrote:
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So, you believe that the GOP should position itself as the party who supports arming every citizen to overthrow the government? Reflect on history for a moment, and you'll realize that great changes in American history did not occur at the point of a gun.
Did women arm themselves to force the government to give them the vote???
Did African Americans shoot their way to equal rights???
No... they didn't. The only time guns were used in a Civil uprising was the Civil War, and it led to the greatest loss of American life in any war fought.
Now now. While in general women are far more civil, the history of black progression toward civil rights is littered with violence.

But as for arming the populous, I still look at a government known to be involved in corrupt and screwed up things. From giving guns to mexican drug cartels, Arming questionable countries like Iran, imposing our will on other countries and pissing off the natives. To countless other dangerous acts that proactively work against both the will and the good of the people of this country.

If we had not such long and decorated history of going against the good of the people and creating enemies abroad, disarmament might be justifiable. But the reality is that this is the world we live in, and if these people would brazenly do some of the insane garbage they have done over the last century, I shudder to think what they would do if the plausible threat of armed civil uprising was not there to keep their actions in check.

But more than that. It is a freedom. Specifically one built into the constitution. In the land of the free, I really see no logical reason why we should work so proactively to deny any freedoms.

Dont get me wrong, I fully support the requirement for license, registration as well as legal accountability for all firearms and extensive legal as well as mental background checks for ownership. I see no reason to oppose people being responsible for the weapons they own, and to prove they are not a convicted violent felon or escaped mental patient before selling one. Those are factors in the usage of guns. Its really no different than getting a drivers license, being tested to ensure you are able to see, as well as read the road signs that will allow you to safely use the vehicle.
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#15 Jan 17, 2013
Hunterspath wrote:
I know what the NRA is trying to do here and in some small parts I agree with them... but the problem that the NRA has is the leaders, spokespeople, contributors, pretty much the entire organization is INSANE. They are either choosing to not use or don't have any sort of resemblence of a brain regarding any topic with the word gun in it. They need to step back breathe and use some common knowledge stuff here... These assault rifles are not needed its ok to ban these killing machines the general public don't need em don't hunt with them they are evil leave me and my family our small pistols and rifles for hunting and you "the government" take the rest to protect my kids while they are at school or my wife while shes at the mall.
Couldnt agree more why in the world they think being so radical would ever bring more members is beyond me it only pushes away those of us that sorta agree with them
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#18 Jan 17, 2013
Are Natalie and Lesson Learned the same person? Same liberal nonsense.

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#19 Jan 17, 2013
IF "everyone" or rather the percentages reported of those favoring anti gun legistation is correct, why are people lining up and buying every gun and bullet they can find?

As I mentioned elsewhere, Obama and Biden have sold more guns in the past four weeks than gun dealers could have sold in a few years.

"Everyone" thinks these assault rifles etc. should be banned, but they have record sales and manufactureres are scrambling to make MORE.

Do we have a national do what we say, not what we do situation?.. More likely, I want MINE but I don't want YOU to have YOURS:)

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#20 Jan 17, 2013
Clint Muldare wrote:
Felons paid back society with years in prison.Why take their right to defend themselves too?Im not a felon but I have always thought that was wrong.
I guess they should have thought about that before they became a felon:)

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#21 Jan 17, 2013
Jaymae wrote:
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Couldnt agree more why in the world they think being so radical would ever bring more members is beyond me it only pushes away those of us that sorta agree with them
Good point, but not necessarily...They may be the only game in town when it comes to challenging those who want to take ALL of the guns away.

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#22 Jan 17, 2013
I read a Gallup poll from 2004 that stated 44% of whites owned guns, as compared to 24% of nonwhites. Also, 53% of Republicans owned guns as compared to 36% of Independents and 31% of Democrats.

The NRA and the Republican party have developed a symbiotic relationship where GOP legislators advance the NRA's agenda, while the NRA in exchange musters support from its membership for a number of conservative issues. These issues include homophobia and Christian fundamentalism, and the threat of insurrection.

As America continues to demographically shift, the GOP will continue to slowly lose relevance. It may wane in power, which might result in the rise of a third party... one that is a more moderate version of the current GOP.

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#23 Jan 17, 2013
Shootist wrote:
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"I want my Republican party back... a shift to the left will get the party just back to slightly moderate. It's a start."
Me too:)
The resistance to gun control IS understandable...When one side gets a "fever" over something, especially a bunch of left wingers, they don't know when to quit..SOME gun advocates see ANY restriction as just a precursor for more controls.
I watched only about ten minutes of the Piers Morgan thing a couple of days ago...One "big time" police officer made the statement, their main problem is semi automatic handguns...NOW what bandwagon do you honestly think these anti gunners will get on next?
Owning a firearm for protection is understandable, as well as owning a gun for hunting and sports. Possessing an arsenal of high powered weapons because you're preparing for a potential government insurrection is borderline crazy.

Just read some of the articles and blogs by conspiracy theorists or para-military types, talk about paranoid and fanatical. Many of these people sound insane, the very type of person who should not have access to a gun.

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