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hackster

Beckley, WV

#1 Dec 18, 2012
But what about long-term effects of psychotropic drugs, our mental health system, violent "PG-13"/"R " movies and "mature" video games?

We can indeed blame it 100% on guns, it's convenient and easy to place all the blame there...

But is that the entire end-all-be-all... or, is it more complex than than that?
no good lawyers

Beckley, WV

#2 Dec 18, 2012
I agree it's not just guns but the crazy people who wield them at times and turn this country upside down with the heartless, violent acts that they perpetrate. We suffer for weeks with the news reporting it. I feel for those families, and cannot imagine what they are going thru!

Guns are inanimate objects the same as automobiles. Thousands of people are killed every year in car crashes due to negligence or drunk driving, but we don't blame cars? Why is that?

Things are not evil, people can be, though! The evil ones will continue to reap their horrors on the rest of us until time is no more. There is no way to legislate them out of existence! I myself, will continue to protect those that I love with a gun! I may even be there to protect the one's that you love! Think about that!

If you want to stop these school shootings require the principal and teachers to have training and carry guns!! That would be the end of it!!

I really do not understand why anyone with any common sense would want to take guns away from law abiding citizens?

The military has guns? Let's take theirs, because guns are bad right? We can get rid of the battleships and planes that have guns too. Then just let the rest of the civilized world hold and "molly coddle" us in it's bussom. I'm sure that they would understand our forward thinking! Or maybe, most of them would fly over here and taunt us in our concentration camps for being the idiotic, spoiled, idiots that we seem to be!!!!!!
no good lawyers

Beckley, WV

#3 Dec 18, 2012
Sorry I hijacked your thread. Just got on a rant!
crazy people with guns

Beckley, WV

#4 Dec 19, 2012
People who have been found guilty of voilent crimes, like assault or battery, rape, threats, abuse, should not be allowed to have guns. I know a man who has found guilty of violent battery one week and went out and bought a gun legally the next week. People who are mentally ill enough to attack another person should not have guns. I called the police and asked them why this person was allowed a gun and they said he plea bargained down to misdemeanor battery so he was allowed. That is one of the major problems with gun control.
hackster

Beckley, WV

#5 Dec 19, 2012
the argument - we do not need high capacity magazines, assault rifles, etc...

the right to bear arms was not written as a means of personal protection, it was written so that a well-armed populace would be a check against government tyranny -

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." (thomas jefferson)

so what type arms do the military carry... single shot 22's?
Holyxxxx

Lamesa, TX

#6 Dec 19, 2012
hackster wrote:
the argument - we do not need high capacity magazines, assault rifles, etc...
the right to bear arms was not written as a means of personal protection, it was written so that a well-armed populace would be a check against government tyranny -
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." (thomas jefferson)
so what type arms do the military carry... single shot 22's?
uh you guys are kidding yourself, your lil "assault rifles" arent going to protect you from tanks, bombs, fighter jets, drones etc. that is the dumbest argument ever. M oi st of you right wing nutjobs are to out of shape to whip a wet paper bag let alone engage in geurrilla war with a (democraticaly elected) tyranical gov.
hackster

Beckley, WV

#7 Dec 19, 2012
as a tyrannical dictator, what would you prefer in establishing your rule... your tyrannical government going against -

1) "lil assault rifles... or,
2) zero (no) firearms...

hmmm, ask the germans in 1925 (when they took their guns), then ask them again in 1935 (under hitler)... and yeah, germany had planes. tanks and machine guns, but hitler still disarmed the public before he began his tyranny.

again, Jefferson was a staunch advocate of the right to bear arms, not simply to protect your corn and milk cow, but because he had just got done with a war against the british empire - a war that was largely farmers and settlers fighting the most powerful army in the world at that time... yeah, he was ALL FOR gun rights as a check against tyranny - no matter what the odds are.

fact is, Holyxxxx - you're kidding yourself if you think that more and more government intrusion is the solution to all our problems... "they will take care of us"... yeah, right.

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#8 Dec 19, 2012
I walked into Dick's today just to see if they pulled there semi auto rifles. They did. But twenty feet away were toy guns just for kids.
Holyxxxx

Beckley, WV

#9 Dec 19, 2012
hackster wrote:
as a tyrannical dictator, what would you prefer in establishing your rule... your tyrannical government going against -
1) "lil assault rifles... or,
2) zero (no) firearms...
hmmm, ask the germans in 1925 (when they took their guns), then ask them again in 1935 (under hitler)... and yeah, germany had planes. tanks and machine guns, but hitler still disarmed the public before he began his tyranny.
again, Jefferson was a staunch advocate of the right to bear arms, not simply to protect your corn and milk cow, but because he had just got done with a war against the british empire - a war that was largely farmers and settlers fighting the most powerful army in the world at that time... yeah, he was ALL FOR gun rights as a check against tyranny - no matter what the odds are.
fact is, Holyxxxx - you're kidding yourself if you think that more and more government intrusion is the solution to all our problems... "they will take care of us"... yeah, right.
Didnt say anthing about more government intrusion.

But fact: right wing gun nuts are typically in no shape to resist a tyranical gov. Fact: you cannot stand against the weight of the us military. Fact: your semi auto ar15 will do you no good against drones, bombs, tanks ect. You my friend are diliusional if you think otherwise

I love fire arms as much as the next, but you goobers telling us all what the forefathers wanted have no clue. a colonial militia fighting against king george is totally different then trying to fight a modern army.

Look at what happens to those who oppose the US, do you want that happening in your neighbor hood? No thanks

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#10 Dec 19, 2012
Holyxxxx wrote:
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Didnt say anthing about more government intrusion.
But fact: right wing gun nuts are typically in no shape to resist a tyranical gov. Fact: you cannot stand against the weight of the us military. Fact: your semi auto ar15 will do you no good against drones, bombs, tanks ect. You my friend are diliusional if you think otherwise
I love fire arms as much as the next, but you goobers telling us all what the forefathers wanted have no clue. a colonial militia fighting against king george is totally different then trying to fight a modern army.
Look at what happens to those who oppose the US, do you want that happening in your neighbor hood? No thanks
I agree with some of what you say, but what did the Syrians start out with against a "modern" army?...They started with practicaly nothing and now are poised to overthrow the Syrian Government..

Another point, the British Army was the best in the world AT THAT TIME, but they LOST..

Vietnam..They fought the greatest power EVER on this Earth and we withdrew...So it's just more than guns and bullets.. Just Saying...

I think the British called us the equivocal of "GOOBERS" in those days, did they not?:)
Clarification

Sutton, WV

#11 Dec 19, 2012
Just passing this along.

RUSH LIMBAUGH: "Let's go through these gun terms just for the heck of it here, for what it might matter. "Assault weapon." "Assault rifle." There is no such thing. Go to a gun store and tell 'em you want an assault weapon, and the guy will look around and show you his entire inventory and say, "Pick one." But there is nothing -- no brand, no label -- that identifies the weapon as an assault rifle or assault weapon.

"There's no such category.

"It has been manufactured, invented, purely for political-agenda advancement reasons. The term "assault weapon" first began being used in the early 1990s by people opposed to the Second Amendment."

Since: May 08

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#12 Dec 19, 2012
Clarification wrote:
Just passing this along.
RUSH LIMBAUGH: "Let's go through these gun terms just for the heck of it here, for what it might matter. "Assault weapon." "Assault rifle." There is no such thing. Go to a gun store and tell 'em you want an assault weapon, and the guy will look around and show you his entire inventory and say, "Pick one." But there is nothing -- no brand, no label -- that identifies the weapon as an assault rifle or assault weapon.
"There's no such category.
"It has been manufactured, invented, purely for political-agenda advancement reasons. The term "assault weapon" first began being used in the early 1990s by people opposed to the Second Amendment."
LOL.. Even conservatives know Rush is a dumbass....It's a pity that every time he opens his mouth a bunch of LEFT WINGERS act like the rest of think he is God almighty and everyone leaning right agrees with him...:)
Holyxxxx

Beckley, WV

#13 Dec 19, 2012
You are comparing apples to oranges.
We are on average a soft paistry eating sad wxcuse for humans. Even our poor live relatively soft lives. The US military isnt the same as in vietnam. A war in this country would be a police action. There is so much intel on everyone. Gov would have no trouble rounding up dissodents. Honestly who do you know is as hardened as the people in the mideast or the viets in th jungle? Those are people used to fighting to survive we are used to fighting for the remote or bickering namelessly on the web.
Im not trying to be argumentative.....just keeping it real.

I don't mean to be insulting, I m as guilty as the next ast getting heated.
But I honestly think alot of people who use the need guns to protect my self from uncle sam" sit around and fancy themselves some sort of modern cowboy and have some glamerous idea about a modern civil war with no idea about the horrors of war. They dont know about the murder and rape and destruction that goes with. It isnt a movie, it doesn't resolve in an hour and half and its often hard to tell the good guys from the bad

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#14 Dec 19, 2012
Holyxxxx wrote:
You are comparing apples to oranges.
We are on average a soft paistry eating sad wxcuse for humans. Even our poor live relatively soft lives. The US military isnt the same as in vietnam. A war in this country would be a police action. There is so much intel on everyone. Gov would have no trouble rounding up dissodents. Honestly who do you know is as hardened as the people in the mideast or the viets in th jungle? Those are people used to fighting to survive we are used to fighting for the remote or bickering namelessly on the web.
Im not trying to be argumentative.....just keeping it real.
I don't mean to be insulting, I m as guilty as the next ast getting heated.
But I honestly think alot of people who use the need guns to protect my self from uncle sam" sit around and fancy themselves some sort of modern cowboy and have some glamerous idea about a modern civil war with no idea about the horrors of war. They dont know about the murder and rape and destruction that goes with. It isnt a movie, it doesn't resolve in an hour and half and its often hard to tell the good guys from the bad
Again, I agree with some of what you say, and I do know about the horrors of war. I too have experienced some of it....(You sound like a fellow Vet from the same place to me)

I even agree with the assault rifle thing...Personally, I own some guns myself, and I'm not worrying about some sort of Urban Warfare in the street, like many seem to be doing.. I'm armed enough to defend myself and my family, and that's enough.
I saw a guy on the news this evening who had sixteen AR-15 type rifles and was contemplating buying one more!.. I thought, what the Hell for?

Why do some think they need that much firepower?.. You can't carry them out on the street like a pistol, you can't conceal them in your waist band, and if you have an intruder and have to act fast a good pistol on a table by the bed would be much quicker and easier to operated, so besides making some feel they have a bigger ________I don't really get it:)

Holyxxxx aka hope

Beckley, WV

#15 Dec 19, 2012
No not a vet, though I respect all the men and women who VOLUNTEER so that those who dont want to fight for this countries interest righ or wrong dont have to. Just been around for a little while.

I am very "liberal" though I'm not interested in trying to force my opinions on others. I'm in no position to tell others what to drive or what kind of weapons they can or cant have to defend themselves who they can marry or pray too.

I am interested in trying to get along with my neighbers, achieve prosperity but not at thecost of others, and raise my child as I see fit. I try very hard to understand others point of view. I get the idea that if big brotha wants to start rounding up people its better to die fighting than in a concntration camp. But if we all feel the republican or democrat next door is our enemy because we have different oppinions we will end up turning on ourselves over the trivial and boat loads of AKs wont help

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#16 Dec 19, 2012
Holyxxxx aka hope wrote:
No not a vet, though I respect all the men and women who VOLUNTEER so that those who dont want to fight for this countries interest righ or wrong dont have to. Just been around for a little while.
I am very "liberal" though I'm not interested in trying to force my opinions on others. I'm in no position to tell others what to drive or what kind of weapons they can or cant have to defend themselves who they can marry or pray too.
I am interested in trying to get along with my neighbers, achieve prosperity but not at thecost of others, and raise my child as I see fit. I try very hard to understand others point of view. I get the idea that if big brotha wants to start rounding up people its better to die fighting than in a concntration camp. But if we all feel the republican or democrat next door is our enemy because we have different oppinions we will end up turning on ourselves over the trivial and boat loads of AKs wont help
...LOL.. First sentence leaves me out I guess.. I was drafted:)
The rest of your comment seems like a flip flop on your previous ones.. Just saying:)
Holyxxxx aka hope

Beckley, WV

#17 Dec 19, 2012
My point is this if you want to own a weapon to protect your home from joe blow pill head im not hear to argue with you as to what you prefer, I like a 12 gauge. Justdont try an tell me you need an ar15 an 1000 rounds of ammo to protect your constitutional right to over throw the gov. You will end up dead quick.

But If gov comes door to door collecting brown haired folks to burn at camps ill be just as dead defending myself without said ar15.

Hope im not still contradicting myself....
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hackster

Beckley, WV

#19 Dec 19, 2012
Shootist wrote:
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I agree with some of what you say, but what did the Syrians start out with against a "modern" army?...They started with practicaly nothing and now are poised to overthrow the Syrian Government..
Another point, the British Army was the best in the world AT THAT TIME, but they LOST..
Vietnam..They fought the greatest power EVER on this Earth and we withdrew...So it's just more than guns and bullets.. Just Saying...
I think the British called us the equivocal of "GOOBERS" in those days, did they not?:)
the afghans in their caves with, at best, RPG's, seem to do fairly well against the hi-tech U.S. military? Else, we wouldn't have been there for 10 years...?
Holyxxxx aka hope

Beckley, WV

#20 Dec 19, 2012
Lol I really respect those that got drafted to fight a war they may or may not agreed with.

Many times people confuse my lack of enthusiasm for our nations current foriegn policy with a "dislike" of the military or the people who serve. Hell I wonder if we shouldnt do like Israel and make service mandatory. We need to harden the [email protected] up as a society in regards to learning personal responsibility, discipline, how to take carw of our selves ect
hackster

Beckley, WV

#21 Dec 19, 2012
Shootist wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, I agree with some of what you say, and I do know about the horrors of war. I too have experienced some of it....(You sound like a fellow Vet from the same place to me)
I even agree with the assault rifle thing...Personally, I own some guns myself, and I'm not worrying about some sort of Urban Warfare in the street, like many seem to be doing.. I'm armed enough to defend myself and my family, and that's enough.
I saw a guy on the news this evening who had sixteen AR-15 type rifles and was contemplating buying one more!.. I thought, what the Hell for?
Why do some think they need that much firepower?.. You can't carry them out on the street like a pistol, you can't conceal them in your waist band, and if you have an intruder and have to act fast a good pistol on a table by the bed would be much quicker and easier to operated, so besides making some feel they have a bigger ________I don't really get it:)
and i agree with 'bout everything you say here.

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