Rahm Emanuel stepping in it

Rahm Emanuel stepping in it

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#1 Jan 28, 2013
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/rahm-em...

“Now we need you and other commercial banks to join this fight for safer streets. Collectively we can send a clear and unambiguous message to the entire gun industry that investors will no longer financially support companies that profit from gun violence.”

Since when did a public official get the power to regulate banking and basically declare war on a PERFECTLY LEGAL BUSINESS.

The above quote indicates that ALL gun companies profit from gun violence on purpose....Nothing is mentioned about LEGAL uses of guns..

Gun control is one thing, but this arrogant __________is overstepping his authority, is he not?
This one will defintely go to court:)

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#2 Jan 28, 2013
Shootist wrote:
http://www.politico.com/story/ 2013/01/rahm-emanuel-presses-b anks-on-guns-86706.html

“Now we need you and other commercial banks to join this fight for safer streets. Collectively we can send a clear and unambiguous message to the entire gun industry that investors will no longer financially support companies that profit from gun violence.”

Since when did a public official get the power to regulate banking and basically declare war on a PERFECTLY LEGAL BUSINESS.

The above quote indicates that ALL gun companies profit from gun violence on purpose....Nothing is mentioned about LEGAL uses of guns..

Gun control is one thing, but this arrogant __________is overstepping his authority, is he not?
This one will defintely go to court:)
Yep, pint sized Mayor Daley lol ... typical Banty Rooster .. Cocky arrorgant lil prk. He's also been Runnin his yap with some talk that is lil anti organized labor. Apparently he's lookin for trouble .. It'll come to him.

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#3 Jan 28, 2013
Bug Ridge wrote:
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Yep, pint sized Mayor Daley lol ... typical Banty Rooster .. Cocky arrorgant lil prk. He's also been Runnin his yap with some talk that is lil anti organized labor. Apparently he's lookin for trouble .. It'll come to him.
My thoughts, pretty much exactly, especially the "arrogant lil prk.part" :)

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#4 Jan 28, 2013
Rahm Emanuel doesn't have the power to regulate banks but as the mayor of Chicago he can bring some pressure to bear. Good for him. It seems he's not the only public official doing this.

"Emanuel’s volley comes as the National Conference of Democratic Mayors has issued a warning of their own to gun makers. The mayors, who collectively purchase millions in firearms and ammunition for their police departments, said they’ll begin grading manufacturers on their compliance with public safety goals and reward those they rate the best and limit purchases with those who oppose regulations."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/rahm-em...

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#5 Jan 28, 2013
Rahm thinks he has the power to control the weather.

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#6 Jan 28, 2013
Lesson Learned wrote:
Rahm Emanuel doesn't have the power to regulate banks but as the mayor of Chicago he can bring some pressure to bear. Good for him. It seems he's not the only public official doing this.
"Emanuel’s volley comes as the National Conference of Democratic Mayors has issued a warning of their own to gun makers. The mayors, who collectively purchase millions in firearms and ammunition for their police departments, said they’ll begin grading manufacturers on their compliance with public safety goals and reward those they rate the best and limit purchases with those who oppose regulations."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/rahm-em...
I had been watching CNN much more lately and a lot less of Fox.. however; they had an ACLU lawyer...YEP an ACLU lawyer on FOX who said basically what Emanuel is doing in his capacity as a PUBLIC OFFICIAL, being Mayor of course, is Unconstitutional!

I was basically right the first time... He cannot FORCE gun manufactures to follow Obama's plan legally....He best be careful, these gun manufacturers and ammo dealers may STOP selling to HIS department, then all of the gangbangers will have bullets and the police won't.

This could backfire on him both ways..In the way I mentioned and in the courts, where he most likely will lose the second one.

By the way, who does he think he is to take this type of action?...He must think he can rule Chicago like Alphonse Capone once tried to do:)

Good for him to take dictatorial powers on himself without due process? This is starting to be an ugly liberal trait in this country....You disagree with the opposition, you do it anyway, legal or not.
That's what the ugly fat islamist fellow is doing in Egypt isn't it?(Mohammed Morsi).... I had to look him up, they're all pretty much named Mohammed to begin with:)

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#7 Jan 28, 2013
BS, Rahm Emanuel is only doing what people in positions of authority have always done...bringing pressure to bear on those institutions...in this case, gun manufacturers amd banks....that they want to go in a different direction. More power to him. The courts won't have anything to do with this. He's only writing a letter and stating his opinion. I know how rightwingers don't like people who disagree with them to state opinons but you have to get over that. We're here to stay.

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#8 Jan 28, 2013
Law enforcement officers determine, by majority vote, as to what weapon will be standard issue for that police force.

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#9 Jan 28, 2013
Bug Ridge wrote:
Law enforcement officers determine, by majority vote, as to what weapon will be standard issue for that police force.
I didn't know you were so knowledgeable about police departments and their purchases of weapons. I guess I will need to ask my nephew who is a police officer. I would bet anything that the police department doesn't get to decide WHO supplies their weapons.

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#10 Jan 28, 2013
Lesson Learned wrote:
BS, Rahm Emanuel is only doing what people in positions of authority have always done...bringing pressure to bear on those institutions...in this case, gun manufacturers amd banks....that they want to go in a different direction. More power to him. The courts won't have anything to do with this. He's only writing a letter and stating his opinion. I know how rightwingers don't like people who disagree with them to state opinons but you have to get over that. We're here to stay.
That's not what he is doing.. He is making a THREAT against a legal business to fall in line with Obama's "guidelines" for lack of a better word, or face "consequences."...
"HE's only writing a letter and stating his opinion?"..BS.. did you even research it?..

Let's wait and see if the courts won't have anything to do with
this... Really, you ARE getting so fanatical on everything Obama, it's getting rediculous...Get a grip already, geeezzzzzz.

He's jumping the gun here and making his own rules...IF and when Congress takes action, it will be a different story..THEY will determine what is legal or not, not the Mayor of Chicago.

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#11 Jan 28, 2013
Lesson Learned wrote:
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I didn't know you were so knowledgeable about police departments and their purchases of weapons. I guess I will need to ask my nephew who is a police officer. I would bet anything that the police department doesn't get to decide WHO supplies their weapons.
I believe Bug is right on the weapons thing in police departments.

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#12 Jan 28, 2013
Lesson Learned wrote:
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I didn't know you were so knowledgeable about police departments and their purchases of weapons. I guess I will need to ask my nephew who is a police officer. I would bet anything that the police department doesn't get to decide WHO supplies their weapons.
"Now we need you and other commercial banks to join this fight for safer streets. Collectively we can send a clear and unambiguous message to the entire gun industry that investors will no longer financially support companies that profit from gun violence.”

Read that again LL..ONE more time, slowly this time.

"message to the entire gun industry that investors will no longer financially support companies that profit from gun violence.”

That would be a lawsuit right there...He is going to have to go to court and PROVE the entire gun industry profits solely from gun violence..
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#13 Jan 28, 2013
What can you expect from one of Obammys rejects from DC?
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#14 Jan 28, 2013
LL,when the firearms are decided on by the police dept.,sometimes you are limited as to who supplies the product of choice. It isn't the same as WalMart you know. Expand your horizons and think sometimes.

“One fish... Two fish... ”

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#15 Jan 28, 2013
Lesson Learned wrote:
"Emanuel’s volley comes as the National Conference of Democratic Mayors has issued a warning of their own to gun makers. The mayors, who collectively purchase millions in firearms and ammunition for their police departments, said they’ll begin grading manufacturers on their compliance with public safety goals and reward those they rate the best and limit purchases with those who oppose regulations."
Ha... ha... ha... Emanuel's threats are ridiculous, considering the State of Illinois (and Chicago) are in debt up to their eyeballs. Chicago owes its pension funds alone over $15 billion--the city cannot afford much new firearms anyway.

When a bad credit risk stops doing business with you, it's not always a "bad thing".

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#16 Jan 28, 2013
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Ha... ha... ha... Emanuel's threats are ridiculous, considering the State of Illinois (and Chicago) are in debt up to their eyeballs. Chicago owes its pension funds alone over $15 billion--the city cannot afford much new firearms anyway.
When a bad credit risk stops doing business with you, it's not always a "bad thing".
Yeah that is all the police depts. need is for politically correct mayors to take more fire power away from the police. They are already outgunned by the criminals. I guarantee the bodyguards for Emanuel and that little POS Bloomberg have the best weapons available, regardless of who makes them.

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#17 Jan 29, 2013
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I had been watching CNN much more lately and a lot less of Fox.. however; they had an ACLU lawyer...YEP an ACLU lawyer on FOX who said basically what Emanuel is doing in his capacity as a PUBLIC OFFICIAL, being Mayor of course, is Unconstitutional!
I was basically right the first time... He cannot FORCE gun manufactures to follow Obama's plan legally....He best be careful, these gun manufacturers and ammo dealers may STOP selling to HIS department, then all of the gangbangers will have bullets and the police won't.
This could backfire on him both ways..In the way I mentioned and in the courts, where he most likely will lose the second one.
By the way, who does he think he is to take this type of action?...He must think he can rule Chicago like Alphonse Capone once tried to do:)
Good for him to take dictatorial powers on himself without due process? This is starting to be an ugly liberal trait in this country....You disagree with the opposition, you do it anyway, legal or not.
That's what the ugly fat islamist fellow is doing in Egypt isn't it?(Mohammed Morsi).... I had to look him up, they're all pretty much named Mohammed to begin with:)
My take on the story was not that Rahm Emanuel was putting any kind of direct pressure on gun manufacturers but was telling the banks that retirement funds would not be invested in their banks as long as they were main supports for the gun industry. That has often been done in the past....as when there was a movement to put pressure on companies that were doing business in South Africa during apartheid.

"(The) anti-Apartheid movement in the U.S found that Washington was unwilling to get involved in economically isolating South Africa. The movement responded by organized lobbying of individual businesses and institutional investors to end their involvement with or investments in the apartheid state as a matter of corporate social responsibility. This campaign was coordinated by several faith-based institutional investors eventually leading to the creation of the Interfaith Center on Corporate Responsibility. An array of celebrities, including singer Paul Simon, also participated."

"Besides advocating that institutional investors withdraw any direct investments in South African-based companies, anti-Apartheid activists also lobbied for the divestment from all U.S.-based companies having South African interests who had not yet themselves adopted the Sullivan Principles. The institutional investors such as public pension funds were the most susceptible to these types of lobbying efforts."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinvestment_fr...

So it's not like it hasn't been done before.

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#18 Jan 29, 2013
Lesson Learned wrote:
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My take on the story was not that Rahm Emanuel was putting any kind of direct pressure on gun manufacturers but was telling the banks that retirement funds would not be invested in their banks as long as they were main supports for the gun industry. That has often been done in the past....as when there was a movement to put pressure on companies that were doing business in South Africa during apartheid.
"(The) anti-Apartheid movement in the U.S found that Washington was unwilling to get involved in economically isolating South Africa. The movement responded by organized lobbying of individual businesses and institutional investors to end their involvement with or investments in the apartheid state as a matter of corporate social responsibility. This campaign was coordinated by several faith-based institutional investors eventually leading to the creation of the Interfaith Center on Corporate Responsibility. An array of celebrities, including singer Paul Simon, also participated."
"Besides advocating that institutional investors withdraw any direct investments in South African-based companies, anti-Apartheid activists also lobbied for the divestment from all U.S.-based companies having South African interests who had not yet themselves adopted the Sullivan Principles. The institutional investors such as public pension funds were the most susceptible to these types of lobbying efforts."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinvestment_fr...
So it's not like it hasn't been done before.
Those are two different sceanarios.. Make that three:)

TD Bank currently aids the gun manufacturing industry through a $60 million revolving line of credit with Smith & Wesson, a gun manufacturer that produces the AR-15 — an assault weapon that was used by James Holmes to kill 12 people and wound 58 in a crowded movie theatre in Aurora,” Emanuel’s missive to TD CEO Bharat Masrani states.“I ask you to use your influence to push this company to find common ground with the vast majority of Americans who support a military weapons and ammunition ban and comprehensive background checks.”

He wants to dictate by "pressure" who banks can loan money to, when like it or not, gun companies are a LEGAL entity..
That's the same as telling JC Penny if they produce a certain shirt HE doesn't like, then the banks should not give them a line of credit to produce it...You're going to say it isn't the same thing, but legally it IS.

The pension thing is another horse of a differnt color:...If the members and those in charge of the pension plan choose to move their money into another one , that is within their rights of course..

Thirdly:...the South African situation was a matter of international relations and became American Policy did it not?

It was NOT an internal problem of the United States dealing with and AMENDMENT to the American Constitution.
This question guaranteeing South African rights, is also a mute question on this particular question, since we didn't and don't have jurisdiction in South Africa.

The South African situation has NO bearing on this one:)

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#19 Jan 29, 2013
I think Rahm & LL would look cute in some of Sheriff Joe's famous pink underwear ... Lol
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#20 Jan 29, 2013
Emanuel wants to blame the banks for gun violence in his city when his answer to gang violence was to tell the gang bangers to just shoot each other and not the children. POS needs dragged out into the street and his ass kicked. Oh, forgot, cant do that, he has well armeed guards. LOL

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