Doctors need to be put in check!!!

Doctors need to be put in check!!!

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Jessica

Beckley, WV

#1 Feb 10, 2013
So many people are getting pain meds and do not even take them. They sale them to people and make good money off of it. I think people who are getting pain meds should have to go in daily and get the medicine and be watched taking it. If they need it that bad they would find a way to get it. There are so many young people overdosing and yet the state does nothing to prevent it. Who is it going to take to stop this because it is affecting so many people. Maybe the state would actually do something if EVERYONE started getting pain meds and then everyone meet up and face the doctors that's handing out the junk. This makes me sick! Look at the poor baby who died just yesterday. You all can clearly see the so called mom was messed up. The guy was messed up and tried to od. West Virginia is nothing like it used to be. And there is so many coal miners going to get pain meds to. I have no respect for coal miners anymore. They are just as bad as the regular "pillheads". But This is a state that does not care about anything, so I don't know why i'm even wasting my time writing this.

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#2 Feb 10, 2013
Commentator on a news program said Doctor's should be trained on how and when to give people pain medications?

LOL..Don't they already KNOW, or at least supposed to know?
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#3 Feb 10, 2013
Just Google "doctors who went to jail for improper prescribing" and you will see that eventually they do go to jail.
http://www.wvbom.wv.gov/Newsletter/2012/June%...

Senate Bill 437 further addresses your concerns.
http://www.legis.state.wv.us/Bill_Status/bill... sub3 enr.htm&yr=2012&sessty pe=RS&billtype=B&house orig=S&i=437
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#4 Feb 10, 2013
More interesting reading that is easier to comprehend. :+)
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#5 Feb 10, 2013
http://www.wvsma.com/Portals/0/MedAdv_April20...
Here's the link to all legislative updates in WV as of April 2012.
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http://www.register-herald.com/cnhi_specials/...
February 8, 2013
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Beckley, WV

#7 Feb 10, 2013
Jessica wrote:
So many people are getting pain meds and do not even take them. They sale them to people and make good money off of it. I think people who are getting pain meds should have to go in daily and get the medicine and be watched taking it. If they need it that bad they would find a way to get it. There are so many young people overdosing and yet the state does nothing to prevent it. Who is it going to take to stop this because it is affecting so many people. Maybe the state would actually do something if EVERYONE started getting pain meds and then everyone meet up and face the doctors that's handing out the junk. This makes me sick! Look at the poor baby who died just yesterday. You all can clearly see the so called mom was messed up. The guy was messed up and tried to od. West Virginia is nothing like it used to be. And there is so many coal miners going to get pain meds to. I have no respect for coal miners anymore. They are just as bad as the regular "pillheads". But This is a state that does not care about anything, so I don't know why i'm even wasting my time writing this.
Listen here, everyone is sick of pillheads & overprescribing doctors. But when you go and trash an entire profession of people that shows how ignorant you are. My husband is a miner and has never taken a prescription pill in his life. He hit his head at work yesterday so hard that he blacked out. And I had to damn near force feed him two Tylenol when he got home for the headache he had afterward. So keep your dumbass backwoods opinions to yourself. If miners are taking pain meds they likely suffered a real injury, unlike all these SSI bottom feeders who get em just to get high.
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#9 Feb 11, 2013
Jessica wrote:
I think people who are getting pain meds should have to go in daily and get the medicine and be watched taking it. If they need it that bad they would find a way to get it.
Obviously, you've never watched someone die of inoperable, aggressive cancer. Hard to drive in for daily pain meds when you've got tumors the size of melons growing out of your chest.
Jessica wrote:
There are so many young people overdosing and yet the state does nothing to prevent it.
Is the State supposed to do the job of parenting? Let's face the facts, drug abuse has been around a very very long time. Are you seriously saying that a generation of "young people" raised on the internet aren't aware that overdosing on perscription opiates will kill you?
Jessica wrote:
Who is it going to take to stop this because it is affecting so many people.
Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

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#10 Feb 11, 2013
Shootist wrote:
Commentator on a news program said Doctor's should be trained on how and when to give people pain medications?
LOL..Don't they already KNOW, or at least supposed to know?
In answer to your question, no. Not all specialities receive formal training in pain medication and management.

Many doctors will prescribe short-term use of opiates for acute pain--pain associated with a specific condition or surgery. It doesn't take extensive training for that. However, long-term chronic pain that requires an anticipated use of opiates over an extended period are often referred to pain management centers and specialists.

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#11 Feb 11, 2013
Natalie_ wrote:
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In answer to your question, no. Not all specialities receive formal training in pain medication and management.
Many doctors will prescribe short-term use of opiates for acute pain--pain associated with a specific condition or surgery. It doesn't take extensive training for that. However, long-term chronic pain that requires an anticipated use of opiates over an extended period are often referred to pain management centers and specialists.
Which continues to give these things out and creates more people addicted to the pills, is that not correct?

They aren't prescribing these medications for themselves and if they get them from other people who sell pills to them, it's basically the same thing..

TOO many doctors prescribe too many pills to too many people....That's a fact:)

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#12 Feb 11, 2013
Shootist wrote:
<quoted text>Which continues to give these things out and creates more people addicted to the pills, is that not correct?
They aren't prescribing these medications for themselves and if they get them from other people who sell pills to them, it's basically the same thing..
TOO many doctors prescribe too many pills to too many people....That's a fact:)
Not all opiates being purchased illegally are the result of prescriptions written by U.S. doctors. There's a black market for these drugs, besides stealing that can occur in hospitals and pharmacies.

You were the one LOLing about course curriculums at United States Medical Schools. Doctors as a profession are subject to continual training and professional education. Part of that responsibility is to understand medications prescribed, as well as side-effects. Also, pharmacists who dispense have responsiblities as well.

Physicians began using more opiates in response to a number of studies regarding NSAID usage. Many many doctors do limit their prescriptions, and are conscientious. Pharmacists too, who can have their licenses revoked for laxitity.

"Too many doctors..."

Now there's a real laugh.

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#13 Feb 11, 2013
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Not all opiates being purchased illegally are the result of prescriptions written by U.S. doctors. There's a black market for these drugs, besides stealing that can occur in hospitals and pharmacies.
You were the one LOLing about course curriculums at United States Medical Schools. Doctors as a profession are subject to continual training and professional education. Part of that responsibility is to understand medications prescribed, as well as side-effects. Also, pharmacists who dispense have responsiblities as well.
Physicians began using more opiates in response to a number of studies regarding NSAID usage. Many many doctors do limit their prescriptions, and are conscientious. Pharmacists too, who can have their licenses revoked for laxitity.
"Too many doctors..."
Now there's a real laugh.
You're still having trouble getting the POINT aren't you?
Check the percentage of people on some sort of PILL prescribed by doctors, psychiatrists, etc...for everything from depression, to serious pain.
IF you were even close to being right, there would be NO pill problem in the first place..
Pharmaceutical companies, "suggesting" (for lack of a better word) and giving certain "benefits" for prescribing certain products would also be a problem would it not?
Don't even say that doesn't happen:)
There has to be too many pills produced and prescribed for there to be so many pills out there being consumed for bonafide reasons.. That's just plain common sense.
The point of this thread is TOO MANY DOCTORS prescribing medications without trying other things first!
I had a friend to got a wisdom tooth cut out..Yep, they gave him WAY too many OXY'S for that particular problem.. HE even said so, and didn't take them.
HE used more sense that these Docs. dentists, or whomever is supposed to have....They are the trained professionals.:)

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#14 Feb 11, 2013
Shootist wrote:
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You're still having trouble getting the POINT aren't you?
Check the percentage of people on some sort of PILL prescribed by doctors, psychiatrists, etc...for everything from depression, to serious pain.
IF you were even close to being right, there would be NO pill problem in the first place..
Pharmaceutical companies, "suggesting" (for lack of a better word) and giving certain "benefits" for prescribing certain products would also be a problem would it not?
Don't even say that doesn't happen:)
There has to be too many pills produced and prescribed for there to be so many pills out there being consumed for bonafide reasons.. That's just plain common sense.
The point of this thread is TOO MANY DOCTORS prescribing medications without trying other things first!
I had a friend to got a wisdom tooth cut out..Yep, they gave him WAY too many OXY'S for that particular problem.. HE even said so, and didn't take them.
HE used more sense that these Docs. dentists, or whomever is supposed to have....They are the trained professionals.:)
The POINT? The point of this thread is "Doctors need to be put in check!!!" Doctors are already "in check"--it's called litigation and loss of livelihood.

"Medications are being prescribed from depression to serious pain." Of course they are, it is part of treatment progression, and medical protocols. Just curious, what are you're home remedy solutions for "serious" pain?

Epson salts for a ruptured disc?

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#15 Feb 11, 2013
Shootist wrote:
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I had a friend to got a wisdom tooth cut out..Yep, they gave him WAY too many OXY'S for that particular problem.. HE even said so, and didn't take them.
HE used more sense that these Docs. dentists, or whomever is supposed to have....They are the trained professionals.:)
"More sense"??!

The medical instructions on these drugs say "take as needed"...

BTW: I checked, "The current standard of care for alleviating acute pain after oral surgery has rested largely on conventional nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs or opioid/analgesic combination products."

Brian

Glen Carbon, IL

#16 Feb 11, 2013
>>>Is the State supposed to do the job of parenting?<<<

Why of course the state is
The state prpares the meals, has classes for all the so called disordered and even handle potty training in the schools around here these days. Pre-school for all even insures that the welfare mother has ample time to procreate without having to spend the time tending to the little welfare generators.
Certainly you should know that

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#17 Feb 11, 2013
Natalie_ wrote:
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The POINT? The point of this thread is "Doctors need to be put in check!!!" Doctors are already "in check"--it's called litigation and loss of livelihood.
"Medications are being prescribed from depression to serious pain." Of course they are, it is part of treatment progression, and medical protocols. Just curious, what are you're home remedy solutions for "serious" pain?
Epson salts for a ruptured disc?
..Doctors are "in check?".. That's a lot of bovine excretment and you know it...ONCE in a blue moon they nab one of them for playing foot loose and fancy free with these pills.
I'm not damning all doctors here of course.

Home remedies?...What has that got to do with the subject at hand?.. We're (or at least I'm not) talking about cancer patients,
ruptured discs, etc.
I've never done one of these "heavy hitter" pills like Oxy's in my life..I know next to nothing about the "drug trade" in this area but I guarantee you I could go out for a couple of hours and come back with a truck load of them..

ONE more time for the deaf, or vision impaired..THERE'S too many PILLS (dangerous) being prescribed for people who don't really NEED them and they are NOT writing the prescriptions themselves..
If every Tom, Dick, and Harriet out there seemingly has these "pills," then somebody is making and prescribing TOO many of them.:)

We do have a pill epidemic in this area do we not?...Can we agree on that much?:)

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#18 Feb 11, 2013
Shootist wrote:
<quoted text>..Doctors are "in check?".. That's a lot of bovine excretment and you know it...ONCE in a blue moon they nab one of them for playing foot loose and fancy free with these pills.
I'm not damning all doctors here of course.
Home remedies?...What has that got to do with the subject at hand?.. We're (or at least I'm not) talking about cancer patients,
ruptured discs, etc.
I've never done one of these "heavy hitter" pills like Oxy's in my life..I know next to nothing about the "drug trade" in this area but I guarantee you I could go out for a couple of hours and come back with a truck load of them..
ONE more time for the deaf, or vision impaired..THERE'S too many PILLS (dangerous) being prescribed for people who don't really NEED them and they are NOT writing the prescriptions themselves..
If every Tom, Dick, and Harriet out there seemingly has these "pills," then somebody is making and prescribing TOO many of them.:)
We do have a pill epidemic in this area do we not?...Can we agree on that much?:)
"Bovine" excrement? If you think physicians in this country are not already subject to a deluge of laws, regulations, and professional oversight then you have little grasp of the medical profession. In addition to that, factor in that any decision made could result in litigation--where the stakes include your reputation, assets, and future income. You don't think that the pressure isn't already there? Doctors practice within professional standards and protocols, it is their compliance with those standards that are defensible in a court of law.

Yes, you have largely damned the profession without having a clue about the standards by which that profession operates--using anecdotal stories about a friend who had oral surgery. You can't predict pain, and when someone walks out from an oral surgery it's a standard practice to give them an alternative to manage it, should it arise.

If you're implying I'm "deaf" or "visionally impaired" as some cute "come-back", then you've certainly missed the mark. Much as you've failed to make a case for anything other than your complete ignorance of the medical profession and the challenges it already faces.
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#19 Feb 11, 2013
You know, many of the people who get pills go to numerous doctors/clinics/hospitals. Some go to several doctors a day, some go to numerous states. So a well intentioned doctor might give a weeks supply of meds and refer the patient to a specialist, or maybe he/she is the specialist, but anyway, then the patient goes to another doctor, then another, until he has what he wants. Then the patient sells the types he got and buys the ones he prefers. Also, those internet pill mills and going across to Mexico still happens.
The prescribing of narcotic pain meds skyrocketed when Vioxx was taken off the market. A few people jumped up and had heart attacks and the rest of the population lost a great, non addictive, non-narcotic pain reliever.
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.as...
http://www.rheumatology.org/about/newsroom/20...
PAIN KILLERS, FALLS AND FRACTURES: THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THE VIOXX RECALL

CHICAGO – Falls and fractures among senior citizens have increased since rofecoxib (Vioxx®) was removed from the market in 2004, according to research presented this week at the American College of Rheumatology Annual Scientific Meeting in Chicago.

Narcotic analgesics (more commonly called narcotic pain killers), such as morphine and oxycodone, have long been used to treat pain. However, alternatives to this method of pain management have been identified, including the use of Cox-2 inhibitors, such as celecoxib (Celebrex®) and the now-recalled rofecoxib, which was removed from the market after being shown to increase the risk of heart attacks and strokes. With the recall of rofecoxib, many patients turned to the use of narcotic pain killers to manage pain from diseases like osteoarthritis (the most common joint disease affecting middle-age and older people. It is characterized by progressive damage to the joint cartilage—the cushioning material at the end of long bones—and causes changes in the structures around the joint).

Researchers recently studied whether the increase of narcotic pain killer use among senior citizens also meant an increase in falls and fractures.

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#20 Feb 11, 2013
BatCat wrote:
You know, many of the people who get pills go to numerous doctors/clinics/hospitals. Some go to several doctors a day, some go to numerous states. So a well intentioned doctor might give a weeks supply of meds and refer the patient to a specialist, or maybe he/she is the specialist, but anyway, then the patient goes to another doctor, then another, until he has what he wants. Then the patient sells the types he got and buys the ones he prefers. Also, those internet pill mills and going across to Mexico still happens.
The prescribing of narcotic pain meds skyrocketed when Vioxx was taken off the market. A few people jumped up and had heart attacks and the rest of the population lost a great, non addictive, non-narcotic pain reliever.
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.as...
http://www.rheumatology.org/about/newsroom/20...
PAIN KILLERS, FALLS AND FRACTURES: THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THE VIOXX RECALL
CHICAGO – Falls and fractures among senior citizens have increased since rofecoxib (Vioxx®) was removed from the market in 2004, according to research presented this week at the American College of Rheumatology Annual Scientific Meeting in Chicago.
Narcotic analgesics (more commonly called narcotic pain killers), such as morphine and oxycodone, have long been used to treat pain. However, alternatives to this method of pain management have been identified, including the use of Cox-2 inhibitors, such as celecoxib (Celebrex®) and the now-recalled rofecoxib, which was removed from the market after being shown to increase the risk of heart attacks and strokes. With the recall of rofecoxib, many patients turned to the use of narcotic pain killers to manage pain from diseases like osteoarthritis (the most common joint disease affecting middle-age and older people. It is characterized by progressive damage to the joint cartilage—the cushioning material at the end of long bones—and causes changes in the structures around the joint).
Researchers recently studied whether the increase of narcotic pain killer use among senior citizens also meant an increase in falls and fractures.
THANK YOU!

As I was trying to point out in a prior post, the entire wave of litigation involving COX-2 inhibitors resulted in physicians being forced into greater usage of opiads. Doctors must comply with medical standards supported by professional protocols--when those protocols change in response to litigation (even if threatened) doctors must react, and usually very very quickly.

The problem becomes if doctors cannot prescribe opiads--what are the alternatives? There is already some movement against excessive use of more benign drugs such as Tylenol, because at certain levels they become toxic to the liver.

Of course, according to some on here, doctors could prescribe a bottle of Jack Daniels and a stick to bite on... provided nobody gets addicted to the whiskey.

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#21 Feb 11, 2013
Natalie_ wrote:
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"Bovine" excrement? If you think physicians in this country are not already subject to a deluge of laws, regulations, and professional oversight then you have little grasp of the medical profession. In addition to that, factor in that any decision made could result in litigation--where the stakes include your reputation, assets, and future income. You don't think that the pressure isn't already there? Doctors practice within professional standards and protocols, it is their compliance with those standards that are defensible in a court of law.
Yes, you have largely damned the profession without having a clue about the standards by which that profession operates--using anecdotal stories about a friend who had oral surgery. You can't predict pain, and when someone walks out from an oral surgery it's a standard practice to give them an alternative to manage it, should it arise.
If you're implying I'm "deaf" or "visionally impaired" as some cute "come-back", then you've certainly missed the mark. Much as you've failed to make a case for anything other than your complete ignorance of the medical profession and the challenges it already faces.
LOL.. NOw calm down Nat... I can almost see the little veins popping out on your forehead:)
I'm not damning the medical profession at all.. However, the sheer amount of PILLS in our society can only be attributed to pharmecutical companies MAKING them and Doctors prescribing them..


I guess I am wrong according to you.. All of these pills all over the place, "pill heads" getting arrested everyday for about any crime you can imagine, home invasions, robberies, child abuses, and the list goes on, must not be happening.

These MILLIONS of pills would then have to be miracled on the planet by some Supreme being because the medical professionals aren't prescribing them:)
Where are they coming from again?...People holding up drug companies or smuggling them in from foreign countries, and spreading them around.. Was that your argument?

OH, maybe they are like "meth labs"...Everyone is just makin their own?...Now that would explain it:)

What case have you made?...Again, these "pills" are EVERYWHERE.. open your eyes.

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