MSU LOSES National Accreditation for ...
student

Hagerstown, MD

#258 Apr 10, 2011
msusenior wrote:
I am the named student in the Charleston and Beckley paper, Deanna Cernuto. Please, please contact our lawyer and give him any information about administration trying to keep us in the dark. We have instructors now who are literally on edge for fear their names will be connected to leaked information. I didn't want to put my name or personel email on topix before the lawsuit was made public, but I can now. Feel free to contact me at [email protected]
<quoted text>
Hi Deanna,

I just wanted to say how much I appreciate the guts it took to initiate the class action. There are many of us who intend on joining and some of us will be brining some pretty interesting evidence to the table. However, we are extremely distrustful of admin, and know there would be retaliation disguised as something else. Being that we are so close to graduating, even with the future issues that are caused by no accreditation, we can't risk it . However, the day after graduation we are all over it :) I've contacted a friend who is a lawyer in order to get a copy of the 24 page report filed by your attorney. We want to see how similar our issues are, but after speaking with people on other campuses I'm almost certain they're virtually identical. The underclassmen here feel like they are in the same position. MSU is stringing them along with CCNE. After paying so much and dealing with MSU's BS they feel like they are trapped and are afraid to speak out for fear of sabotage of their records, becoming entrenched in debt and having nothing to show for it, and etc... I hate that they are still stringing students along. They did the same damn thing with NLNAC (at least on this campus), telling us just to wait and everything would be fine, despite the lack of logic and evidence to the contrary. However, a teacher/ low level admin admitted last week said they knew the whole time NLNAC was not going to happen! Now they're doing the same thing with CCNE! I haven't seen anything, other than a syllabus change and the requirement that tests come from Beckley to indicate they are REALLY working on implementing TRUE changes! I'm not exaggerating. Nothing...and it's bad how lackadaisical they are about 'how' and 'what' is taught. Again, this is my campus...no idea about the others. But I digress ...

So, thanks it took a tremendous amount of guts to put your name out there! I think it will be worth the risk in the end.

If anyone on here wishes to contact me about this issue you can email me at [email protected]
No, that is not my real name...I'm not that gutsy just yet.
refugee

Frisco, TX

#259 Apr 10, 2011
The Perfect Storm wrote:
"But you're saying I've had a subpar nursing education which I dispute. MSU has there fair share of issues but put me up against any nursing student in the state & I'll dominate."

Understand, this is not an attack on your perceived intellect. You have only been exposed to MSU's program. You would not have an idea of other programs to compare with due to lack of experience with them. It may help you to take a look at other's school's that offer the same program. You will find some differeces but their curriculm is more rigerous that MSUs. Pay particular attention to the general eds. Again, the main concern is the loss of accredidation. Do you understand what that means for the students that are set to graduate next month? How far into the program are you?
I graduate in 33 days on the Beckley campus. So now what are you going to say? Yes losing accreditation sucks but that doesn't change the fact that me & my class mates are going to be awesome nurses
The Perfect Storm

Beckley, WV

#260 Apr 10, 2011
"I graduate in 33 days on the Beckley campus. So now what are you going to say? Yes losing accreditation sucks but that doesn't change the fact that me & my class mates are going to be awesome nurses"

Well we have someone here that clearly has no idea the extent of all of this. I'm going to put it to you this way. Let me know how it works out for you when or if you get to sit for the state boards. Good luck finding a job with a degree that is not accredidated......quit drinking the kool-aid and wake up and smell the coffee.....
refugee

Lubbock, TX

#261 Apr 10, 2011
The Perfect Storm wrote:
"I graduate in 33 days on the Beckley campus. So now what are you going to say? Yes losing accreditation sucks but that doesn't change the fact that me & my class mates are going to be awesome nurses"

Well we have someone here that clearly has no idea the extent of all of this. I'm going to put it to you this way. Let me know how it works out for you when or if you get to sit for the state boards. Good luck finding a job with a degree that is not accredidated......quit drinking the kool-aid and wake up and smell the coffee.....
You are such an ass. I'm in on the lawsuit, I understand what loss of accreditation means & I already have a job! Thank you! Loss of accreditation does not take away from the fact Deanna, me & other classmates are awesome nurses! Now stfu
student

Hagerstown, MD

#262 Apr 10, 2011
refugee wrote:
<quoted text>
I graduate in 33 days on the Beckley campus. So now what are you going to say? Yes losing accreditation sucks but that doesn't change the fact that me & my class mates are going to be awesome nurses
Well, to be honest you won't be as 'awesome' as you would be if you went to practically any other school. Sorry you don't like the answer but it's the truth. I'm not saying you didn't work hard or you aren't competent...I'm not saying I didn't work hard...hell, I studied all the time because I knew I wasn't getting what I needed in school. I was lucky enough to come from a long line of nurses and have a lot of nurse friends who would answer my questions as well as ask me questions. I had to go above and beyond to find learning opportunities...I made sure I got extra. I did the best I could with what I had to work with....and it's not for a lack of pushing to get those things from the school either (nor other classmates). The school didn't care, it was excuse after excuse. Will I be a good nurse? Yes, because I push myself to be. Will I be as good as another entry level nurse who went to a different school? Nope, at least not initially. However, because I know myself and what I'm capable of and that I push myself with learning and being better....combined with what I'll learn on the floor...I will catch up. Please hold your defensiveness and realize I am not saying there aren't 'competent' nursing student's at the school....I count myself as competent, but some people in this school are not & I would not want them as my nurse. I wonder how they drive a car let alone pass tests or function in clinicals. It's certain people....any Tom, Dick, or Harry could get in this school back when I first started. There was NO standard. There wasn't even an English test for people whose first language wasn't English or a Math test to determine if you could even calculate proficiently.

I have a feeling you are going to miss the point here again. I hope you take the time and shirk off your defensive attitude and really understand what I'm saying. I hope those of us graduating and have worked hard and are competent can find jobs without accreditation. Sadly, I've already lost my dream job because of it. I also hope we can further our education if we choose at a reputable and accredited institution. No matter what the school says, not having national accreditation is a big deal.
Question for the students

Oakvale, WV

#263 Apr 10, 2011
Will MSU let any of the current students enter the Masters program there? It sounds more than a little hypocritical if they say no.
refugee

Frisco, TX

#264 Apr 10, 2011
Question for the students wrote:
Will MSU let any of the current students enter the Masters program there? It sounds more than a little hypocritical if they say no.
Yes
MSU Student Nurse

Oak Hill, WV

#265 Apr 10, 2011
Question for the students wrote:
Will MSU let any of the current students enter the Masters program there? It sounds more than a little hypocritical if they say no.
We can go into the Masters program for Family Nurse Practitioner however MSU's CRNA masters program will not accept us if we are not nationally accredited.
MSU

Rocky Mount, NC

#266 Apr 11, 2011
Here is exclusive hidden video footage of deceptive techniques. http://img190.imageshack.us/i/86e.mp4/

Since: Jun 10

Topix

#267 Apr 11, 2011
MSU wrote:
Here is exclusive hidden video footage of deceptive techniques. http://img190.imageshack.us/i/86e.mp4/
That is awesome
This is great

Beckley, WV

#268 Apr 11, 2011
The video is really MSU! WOW
MSU wrote:
Here is exclusive hidden video footage of deceptive techniques. http://img190.imageshack.us/i/86e.mp4/
The Perfect Storm

Beckley, WV

#269 Apr 11, 2011
"You are such an ass. I'm in on the lawsuit, I understand what loss of accreditation means & I already have a job! Thank you! Loss of accreditation does not take away from the fact Deanna, me & other classmates are awesome nurses! Now stfu"

Job Title: RN - Relationship Based Care Coordinator
Department: Department Of Veterans Affairs
Agency: Veterans Affairs, Veterans Health Administration
Sub Agency: VA Medical Center, Dayton, OH
Job Announcement Number: VHA-552-11-TP020

SALARY RANGE:$56,257.00 -$101,939.00 /year
OPEN PERIOD: Friday, March 25, 2011 to Monday, April 11, 2011
SERIES & GRADE: VN-0610-1/3
POSITION INFORMATION: Full-Time Permanent
PROMOTION POTENTIAL: 3
DUTY LOCATIONS: 1 vacancy - Dayton Metro area, OH
WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED: Applications will be accepted from United States citizens and nationals.

Qualifications and Evaluations
QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED:
BASIC QUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS:



a. US citizenship

b. Graduation from a state approved and NLNAC or CCNE accredited school of nursing; MSN or MS in related field with BSN or BS in a related field required or graduation from masters program within 1 year with BSN or BS in a related field required.

c. Current, full, active and unrestricted license as a professional nurse in a US state, commonwealth, US territory or the District of Columbia

d. Minimum of five years nursing experience including nursing administration or nursing education.

e. BLS certification required.

f. Demonstrated effective verbal and written communication skills (one-to-one and group).



g. Demonstrated expertise in program management, staff development, training and education principles.

h. Excellent interpersonal skills.

i. Ability and proficiency in skills necessary to educate others.

j. Ability to work independently with multiple priorities and with little supervision.

k. Must be proficient in spoken and written English as required by Title 38, United States Code (38 U.S.C.).

CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS: An RN will have a current, full, active and unrestricted registration as a graduate professional nurse in a State, Territory or Commonwealth (i.e. Puerto Rico) of the US or in the District of Columbia.
The Perfect Storm

Beckley, WV

#270 Apr 11, 2011
Here is another job you are screwed out of

Job Title: Registered Nurse - Care Coordinator Telehealth
Department: Department Of Veterans Affairs
Agency: Veterans Health Administration
Job Announcement Number: OE-11-SPH-456479

OPEN PERIOD: Friday, March 25, 2011 to Monday, April 11, 2011
SERIES & GRADE: VN-0610-00
POSITION INFORMATION: Full Time Excepted Service Permanent
DUTY LOCATIONS: 1 vacancy - Columbia, SC
WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED: Current Employees of the Department of Veterans Affairs

Qualifications and Evaluations
QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED:
Citizen of the United States. Graduate of a school of professional nursing approved by the appropriate State-accrediting agency and accredited by one of the following accrediting bodies at the time the program was completed by the applicant: The National League for Nursing Accrediting Commission (NLNAC) or The Commission on Collegiate Nursing Education (CCNE). Current, full, active, and unrestricted registration as a graduate professional nurse in a State, Territory or Commonwealth (i.e., Puerto Rico) of the United States, or the District of Columbia. In cases of graduates of foreign schools of professional nursing, possession of current, full, active and unrestricted registration will meet the requirement of graduation from an approved school of professional nursing. Must be proficient in spoken and written English. Licensure-Current, full, active and unrestricted licensure as a registered professional nurse in a State, Territory, or Commonwealth of the U.S. or the District of Columbia.

And I can list more and more and more. So yes! It is a BIG DEAL! And that does not make me an ass! But someone who sees the WIDE perspective of how screwed the students are!!!!!!!!
nurse

Hialeah, FL

#271 Apr 11, 2011
Yes, not having the national accreditation sucks!! They will be able to sit for boards as long as state is maintained! I just recently graduated and luckily it was before the deadline. I am angry what MSU has let happen, but we were not completly in the dark about what was going on. I'm pretty sure you were too!! Hell, you could look it up on the nln website and you could've seen MSU had been on probation since 2008! It is also a known fact that there are several nurses at VA who did not graduate from national accredited college. Also other colleges will let you in for masters, just with provisional guidelines. Also, it will not affect working in other States. I am sorry for what we all are going through, but you sound extremely rude and hateful sometimes. YOU are not the only one who has been lied too!!
The Perfect Storm wrote:
"You are such an ass. I'm in on the lawsuit, I understand what loss of accreditation means & I already have a job! Thank you! Loss of accreditation does not take away from the fact Deanna, me & other classmates are awesome nurses! Now stfu"
Job Title: RN - Relationship Based Care Coordinator
Department: Department Of Veterans Affairs
Agency: Veterans Affairs, Veterans Health Administration
Sub Agency: VA Medical Center, Dayton, OH
Job Announcement Number: VHA-552-11-TP020
SALARY RANGE:$56,257.00 -$101,939.00 /year
OPEN PERIOD: Friday, March 25, 2011 to Monday, April 11, 2011
SERIES & GRADE: VN-0610-1/3
POSITION INFORMATION: Full-Time Permanent
PROMOTION POTENTIAL: 3
DUTY LOCATIONS: 1 vacancy - Dayton Metro area, OH
WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED: Applications will be accepted from United States citizens and nationals.
Qualifications and Evaluations
QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED:
BASIC QUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS:
a. US citizenship
b. Graduation from a state approved and NLNAC or CCNE accredited school of nursing; MSN or MS in related field with BSN or BS in a related field required or graduation from masters program within 1 year with BSN or BS in a related field required.
c. Current, full, active and unrestricted license as a professional nurse in a US state, commonwealth, US territory or the District of Columbia
d. Minimum of five years nursing experience including nursing administration or nursing education.
e. BLS certification required.
f. Demonstrated effective verbal and written communication skills (one-to-one and group).
g. Demonstrated expertise in program management, staff development, training and education principles.
h. Excellent interpersonal skills.
i. Ability and proficiency in skills necessary to educate others.
j. Ability to work independently with multiple priorities and with little supervision.
k. Must be proficient in spoken and written English as required by Title 38, United States Code (38 U.S.C.).
CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS: An RN will have a current, full, active and unrestricted registration as a graduate professional nurse in a State, Territory or Commonwealth (i.e. Puerto Rico) of the US or in the District of Columbia.
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WTFE

Hansford, WV

#273 Apr 11, 2011
nurse wrote:
Yes, not having the national accreditation sucks!! They will be able to sit for boards as long as state is maintained! I just recently graduated and luckily it was before the deadline. I am angry what MSU has let happen, but we were not completly in the dark about what was going on. I'm pretty sure you were too!! Hell, you could look it up on the nln website and you could've seen MSU had been on probation since 2008! It is also a known fact that there are several nurses at VA who did not graduate from national accredited college. Also other colleges will let you in for masters, just with provisional guidelines. Also, it will not affect working in other States. I am sorry for what we all are going through, but you sound extremely rude and hateful sometimes. YOU are not the only one who has been lied too!! <quoted text>
I for one, was in the dark. Why the hell would I need to double check the accreditation of a well known university????? They adverstised accreditation, NOT probation. WE THE STUDENTS TOOK THEIR WORD FOR IT. Legally, they were incompetent and falsely advertised. Students don't need to run background checks on colleges. Good for you - you got out. I'm bend over, waiting for the lube so excuse me if I seem a little bit bitchy. It could be that $30000 student loan bill on my kitchen counter pissing in my Cheerios.
Showing your cards

Hansford, WV

#274 Apr 11, 2011
MSU STUDENTS: STOP POSTING, PLEASE! YOU ARE GIVING THE ADMINSTRATION AT MSU A HEADS UP. DON'T ADVERTISE THEIR SHORTCOMINGS OR ISSUES! THIS IS A LEGAL ISSUE. HOLD YOUR CARDS TIGHT! KEEP QUIET!
student

Hagerstown, MD

#275 Apr 12, 2011
So even though I'm on a completely different campus...I just heard the director of the BSN program in Beckley just got brown boxed. True?
MSU goingdownanddown

United States

#276 Apr 12, 2011
I am not sure about that but the administration just blocked Beckley topics on campus....

They are hiding and running. We must stay after the truth.
Hold On

Princeton, WV

#277 Apr 12, 2011
MSU goingdownanddown wrote:
I am not sure about that but the administration just blocked Beckley topics on campus....
They are hiding and running. We must stay after the truth.
I would recommend keeping your information close and not post it on here. If you are going to be a part of the legal action, you need to have a few things that MSU doesn't know about. I want you destroy them and the only way to do that is to hit them where it hurts. They don't give a shit about people it is all about the money!!!! Make Polk, Artis and Alexander have to go back and live like the trash they were!
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yep

Beckley, WV

#280 Apr 12, 2011
student wrote:
So even though I'm on a completely different campus...I just heard the director of the BSN program in Beckley just got brown boxed. True?
Nancey France was recently fired. Along with a host of others in the program.

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