Nero Fiddled - Obama Golfs

Nero Fiddled - Obama Golfs

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capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#1 Feb 17, 2013
Don't worry about the sequestration that Obama promised would not happen during the election, don't worry that the democrats have not passed a budget in 4 years, dont worry that gas prices are going up again, dont worry that unemployment is creeping toward 8% again, dont worry about another trillion dollar deficit again this year - all is well - Obama is playing golf with Tiger Woods in Florida.
Sally26

Chesapeake, OH

#2 Feb 17, 2013
Holy Mother of GOD. Another celebrity media event for POS POTUS.

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#3 Feb 17, 2013
capitalist pig wrote:
don't worry that the democrats have not passed a budget in 4 years,
Now now, takes two to tango. Its not like the non democrats in congress have done anything to pass a budget other than stomp it dead in its tracks. At least you see dems try. Republicans wont even bother because it gets drowned out by the EMO mantra CUT CUT CUT.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#4 Feb 17, 2013
VirVoX Populi wrote:
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Now now, takes two to tango. Its not like the non democrats in congress have done anything to pass a budget other than stomp it dead in its tracks. At least you see dems try. Republicans wont even bother because it gets drowned out by the EMO mantra CUT CUT CUT.
Please dont put me in a position to defend the Republicans. But at least they did pass a budget in the house. The senate would not even act on it.

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#5 Feb 17, 2013
VirVoX Populi wrote:
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Now now, takes two to tango. Its not like the non democrats in congress have done anything to pass a budget other than stomp it dead in its tracks. At least you see dems try. Republicans wont even bother because it gets drowned out by the EMO mantra CUT CUT CUT.
The dems "try" to do what?.. they know what they propose is DOA when they propose it in the first place..

Both DEMS and REPUBS don't get it...They are there to COMPROMISE and get the job done.. That's the way our system is supposed to work, isn't it?

Give a little, take a little, make the deal, and do what is best for the country.

None of us gets exactly what we want everyday, everytime do we?...Life is about working things out, not sitting pat and whining:)

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#6 Feb 17, 2013
capitalist pig wrote:
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Please dont put me in a position to defend the Republicans. But at least they did pass a budget in the house. The senate would not even act on it.
Sorry, not my intention. The divide is in both houses of congress though. Im hard pressed to accept the notion of the house passing it, knowing full well that there have been many times bills have been passed in one house specifically with the intention of passing it off on the other house with the express purpose that the other house would defeat it and make the opposition look bad in the process. Technically thats how we got the much reviled Obamacare.

So trying to pass a budget in the house controlled by Republicans is usually not a hard thing to do and you can do so even putting all sorts of insane nonsense in because you know you have your cohorts in the senate already setting their phasers to Filibuster and its all political power play because if Dems try to push beyond the filibuster they look too aggressive and spend happy and republicans can sit back and say they are being strong armed and not listened to when all they are trying to do is save YOUR money, Or they can accept defeat give up on trying to modify alter or denounce the thing and go back to the drawing board to come up with that fabled anomaly that will accomplish something and actually have a snowballs chance of making it to the desk of the POTUS

Not saying the system can work, but as long as both parties focus not on We the People, and instead focus on hard line party platform where the potential is to have opposition control the only realistic way anything can potentially get done is if you have the hat trick of party control of Senate, House and Presidency and if you have anything close to that makes it look like one party has all the power you see exactly how the republicans played Obamas first term out in both houses. In short, nothing will ever get done and everything our government creates will be butcher hacked abominations of legislation that benefits no one but managed to get passed through extensive useless concessions that render the legislation ineffectual but was pushed through for nothing more than symbolic victory to give the appearance of something actually being accomplished.

Its not the fault of Republicans or Democrats. Its simply a case of waaaaaaaaaaaay too many chiefs, and nothing resembling an indian anywhere to be seen.

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#7 Feb 17, 2013
Shootist wrote:
<quoted text>The dems "try" to do what?.. they know what they propose is DOA when they propose it in the first place..
Both DEMS and REPUBS don't get it...They are there to COMPROMISE and get the job done.. That's the way our system is supposed to work, isn't it?
Give a little, take a little, make the deal, and do what is best for the country.
None of us gets exactly what we want everyday, everytime do we?...Life is about working things out, not sitting pat and whining:)
LOL way to ninja my on clarification and condense it in the process.

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#8 Feb 17, 2013
Shootist wrote:
<quoted text>The dems "try" to do what?.. they know what they propose is DOA when they propose it in the first place..
Both DEMS and REPUBS don't get it...They are there to COMPROMISE and get the job done.. That's the way our system is supposed to work, isn't it?
Give a little, take a little, make the deal, and do what is best for the country.
None of us gets exactly what we want everyday, everytime do we?...Life is about working things out, not sitting pat and whining:)
Only thing I would add is the reality as opposed to the idealism. Compromise in government sounds like a great thing on paper, but just compare what Obamacare started off as compared to what it ended up as. Those compromises are not being done with the best interest of the country nearly as much as they are being done just so they can get the thing through. Again, thats not D or R, thats the system and that system digs in deeper and deeper every year with less and less getting done and what does actually get done ends up hurting us more in the long run. Just like the whole Sequestration deal is the result of working together and agreeing to a deal, but it had to be butchered and now we face the problem yet again.
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United States

#9 Feb 17, 2013
Shootist wrote:
<quoted text>The dems "try" to do what?.. they know what they propose is DOA when they propose it in the first place..
Both DEMS and REPUBS don't get it...They are there to COMPROMISE and get the job done.. That's the way our system is supposed to work, isn't it?
Give a little, take a little, make the deal, and do what is best for the country.
None of us gets exactly what we want everyday, everytime do we?...Life is about working things out, not sitting pat and whining:)
Simply, perfectly said.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#10 Feb 17, 2013
VirVoX Populi wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, not my intention. The divide is in both houses of congress though. Im hard pressed to accept the notion of the house passing it, knowing full well that there have been many times bills have been passed in one house specifically with the intention of passing it off on the other house with the express purpose that the other house would defeat it and make the opposition look bad in the process. Technically thats how we got the much reviled Obamacare.
So trying to pass a budget in the house controlled by Republicans is usually not a hard thing to do and you can do so even putting all sorts of insane nonsense in because you know you have your cohorts in the senate already setting their phasers to Filibuster and its all political power play because if Dems try to push beyond the filibuster they look too aggressive and spend happy and republicans can sit back and say they are being strong armed and not listened to when all they are trying to do is save YOUR money, Or they can accept defeat give up on trying to modify alter or denounce the thing and go back to the drawing board to come up with that fabled anomaly that will accomplish something and actually have a snowballs chance of making it to the desk of the POTUS
Not saying the system can work, but as long as both parties focus not on We the People, and instead focus on hard line party platform where the potential is to have opposition control the only realistic way anything can potentially get done is if you have the hat trick of party control of Senate, House and Presidency and if you have anything close to that makes it look like one party has all the power you see exactly how the republicans played Obamas first term out in both houses. In short, nothing will ever get done and everything our government creates will be butcher hacked abominations of legislation that benefits no one but managed to get passed through extensive useless concessions that render the legislation ineffectual but was pushed through for nothing more than symbolic victory to give the appearance of something actually being accomplished.
Its not the fault of Republicans or Democrats. Its simply a case of waaaaaaaaaaaay too many chiefs, and nothing resembling an indian anywhere to be seen.
Oh, I have been in the Pox on both their houses crowd for a long time

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#11 Feb 17, 2013
VirVoX Populi wrote:
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LOL way to ninja my on clarification and condense it in the process.
You're welcome:)

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#12 Feb 17, 2013
VirVoX Populi wrote:
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Only thing I would add is the reality as opposed to the idealism. Compromise in government sounds like a great thing on paper, but just compare what Obamacare started off as compared to what it ended up as. Those compromises are not being done with the best interest of the country nearly as much as they are being done just so they can get the thing through. Again, thats not D or R, thats the system and that system digs in deeper and deeper every year with less and less getting done and what does actually get done ends up hurting us more in the long run. Just like the whole Sequestration deal is the result of working together and agreeing to a deal, but it had to be butchered and now we face the problem yet again.
EXACTLY:)

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#13 Feb 17, 2013
For the record wrote:
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Simply, perfectly said.
Thanks:)

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#14 Feb 17, 2013
Shootist wrote:
<quoted text>The dems "try" to do what?.. they know what they propose is DOA when they propose it in the first place..
Both DEMS and REPUBS don't get it...They are there to COMPROMISE and get the job done.. That's the way our system is supposed to work, isn't it?
Give a little, take a little, make the deal, and do what is best for the country.
None of us gets exactly what we want everyday, everytime do we?...Life is about working things out, not sitting pat and whining:)
LOL--I must remind you that most congressional seats are filled by white males over the age of 50... I guess they never learned to play together well in the sandbox.
:)

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#15 Feb 17, 2013
Shootist wrote:
<quoted text> Thanks:)
You guys are "high-fiving" yourselves so much I really am laughing out load.
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#16 Feb 17, 2013
VirVoX Populi wrote:
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Only thing I would add is the reality as opposed to the idealism. Compromise in government sounds like a great thing on paper, but just compare what Obamacare started off as compared to what it ended up as. Those compromises are not being done with the best interest of the country nearly as much as they are being done just so they can get the thing through. Again, thats not D or R, thats the system and that system digs in deeper and deeper every year with less and less getting done and what does actually get done ends up hurting us more in the long run. Just like the w
hole Sequestration deal is the result of working together and agreeing to a deal, but it had to be butchered and now we face the problem yet again.
I was hoping before obamacare went through that he would remove the insurance industry out of the equation as a middleman. They've screwed us for years.
Your right, all it got was butchered.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#17 Feb 17, 2013
Obamacare is nothing but a shell game designed to destroy the healtcare system in this country so the government can come in and take over and give you western european socialized medicine. Obama had already stated that universal healthcare would have to be passed in increments. Obamacare is the increment. The greedy insurance companies got outsmarted with the promise of all those young, healthy customers they were going to get. But with the low penalities and all the waivers Obama has given, insurance companies can not possibly survive and insurance still be affordable. Once insurance is not affordable and companies drop coverage, the government will take over healthcare.
Millions of hardworking Americans who had good insurance coverage through their companies will not be wards of the state. Obamacare is so great that Congress and Obama exempted themselves from it. Power to the sheeple.

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#18 Feb 18, 2013
capitalist pig wrote:
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In all fairness.... Good. Because peoples health and peoples life being ran as a business is not the solution, it is the problem.

For the consumer Insurance is nothing more than legalized gambling and just like in Vegas the house ALWAYS wins.

For the industry it has ruined medicine by defying the Hippocratic oath every doctor takes by de prioritizing care in the sake of profit. And look at the results. How many people on this forum come in complaining about pill popping zombies? That exists because of the pharmaceutical industry has vested interest in long term chronic treatment rather than curing anything. Then they twist arms and put pressure on doctors to prescribe these drugs. Its not a shell game, its a legalized cartel.

THAT is what choosing to gamble with life and health has brought to medicine. It is nice to think that competition breeds innovation and that we have the most advanced care in the world, but the simple fact is those innovations come from all parts of the globe and there are no shortages of innovations coming from countries with socialized medicine. Whats worse is the state of our insurance also kills and directly harms because despite having cutting edge medicine many times people are prevented from getting such treatments because insurance will not pay for it and forced to suffer a cheaper less effective treatment that only ends up harming when we know of the existence of something better.

So yeah I am sorry, the concept of having "choice" in medicine is and has always been a weak crutch to rely on because all it is, is the defense of perpetuating a system of money that should NEVER be a factor in human health and well being. How often does the patient actually beneficially contribute to their own health care through their decisions?

Im not saying that we should migrate to full on communism because there ARE places where capitalism does make sense, and foster innovation. But when those innovations are reserved for the power elite who can afford it (which none of us are) then all that cutting edge innovation is irrelevant. If you are starving and have 25 cents, does it really matter that you have the freedom to choose anything in the store? Or is your only choice the pack of ramen (or equivalent)?

Think about it. If a gang banger walked into a gas station intent on taking down a rival he suspected of doing his girl and shot him in the face do you really think that rival who has no insurance is going to go into the trauma ward and get the same level of multi million dollar bleeding edge care that say a Gabby Giffords got? You know better because from the business end of a hospital and insurance companies it simply is bad business practice and would bankrupt companies trying to make a profit off of health care.

If we can accept the idea that a military for common defense, Infrastructure for public utility, and other beneficial socialist practices are acceptable it is insane to think medicine should be left as "for profit"

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#19 Feb 18, 2013
So yeah, the health care industry needs to be destroyed. It does far more harm than good and that is absolutely wrong for a profession built around the eternal vow to "Do No Harm"

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#20 Feb 18, 2013
Natalie_ wrote:
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You guys are "high-fiving" yourselves so much I really am laughing out load.
LOL.. you are aware of the "good old boy" network is at play here....WE run everything, remember?
Everyone else is PO at us all of the time, trying to break in:)

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