capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#210 Apr 25, 2013
I used to talk to my now ex wife the same way
So True

Welch, WV

#211 Apr 25, 2013
been there wrote:
this takes me back to when i went to beckley jr high there was a art teacher that kicked me out of her class for wearing a greatful dead shirt
Things like that always stay with you, don't they? Kids DO NOT forget!! I think just about each and everyone of us can recall something mean that a teacher done to us when we were in school. Some people are simply not meant to be teachers, they have no business whatsoever around children of ANY age!! I've seen some teachers that you can just tell, they dispise children, or seems that way to me. I never could understand why anyone would go into a teaching profession and not like kids..LOL. I mean duh, isn't that basically their job, being with children!! I think it's time that the state enforces the drug testing for ALL school personnel. They were scared shitless before when the state even brought it up, wonder what some of them will do when it actually goes into effect?LOL. Oh but wait, teachers are Gods, or think they are!

Since: Jun 10

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#212 Apr 25, 2013
capitalist pig wrote:
I am calling Bullshit on all you liberal whiners.
You are all lying through your teeth.
If you sent your child to school with a t shirt on that did not violate any school dress code and your child was confronted by a right wing loon in the cafeteria, you would have a whole swarm of your ACLU Lawyers and child psychologists and social workers converge on that school like the rath of God. The lawsuits would be flying fast and furious.
But because you agree with this left wing bitch's agenda, you defend her violation of this young man's first amendment rights, not to mention his right to just eat his lunch and being left the hell alone.
Let me say this very clear, this stupid bitch should never be allowed around children.
"All liberal whiners"? Do you mean that you think that all liberals are whiners, or are you calling out some specific liberals on here that you believe are whining? We, my daughter and I, would not DARE waste our valuable time on anything so petty, as I had related a very similar incident which had occurred with her tee-shirt in school previously.

With all due respect, let me say this very clear, too. The LMS teacher involved in this situation was on cafeteria duty and HE is a male band director.

Since: Jun 10

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#213 Apr 25, 2013
ShadesOfShadow wrote:
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Very well said and I agree with the young man's rights. I just can't figure out as to WHY the teacher waited until lunch time to speak up about this child's shirt! I mean why didn't they take the child aside to talk about that d*mn shirt, instead of calling him out in front of the whole school and especially while he was trying to eat his lunch? I'm sure they could had waited until AFTER lunch, right? You are so right because IF that had been my child they arrested because of a shirt, then a shirt would be the least of their problems!! That child was at that school to learn, not to be pointed out for the whole school to see and listen in, not to be embarrassed to death, and certainly not to be arrested and taken out of school like some criminal. H*ll who knows, that may had been the only clean shirt the kid had to wear for that day!! It just burns my a** to no means when I think of him eating his meal and they take that opportunity to flog the kid moreless!! Very unprofessional of the whole school faculty if you ask me!!!
The child was standing in line and hadn't gotten his lunch tray yet when this happened.
Ron

Mechanicsville, VA

#214 Apr 25, 2013
You know I had teachers who liked to bully kids and I had teachers who taught us. Had this really awesome left wing nut job but he was more for less economic monopoly by politicians, less abuse for minorities and i think he prolly would support gay marriage. But we watched a movie in class on the trail of tears and I'm big into my Cherokee heritage. Bunch of kids went to sleep.

So during another movie for MLK day I went to sleep. Another students woke me up because the teacher and some other students were offended. To which I stood up stated my feelings about the situation and bluntly told those offended to "go **** themselves" because I was offended but didn't whine about.

My fellow students who were offended now more so, wanted me punished. My liberal teacher just smiled real big and said "He has a point and other then saying go **** ourselves is exercising his free speech very well." I then went back to sleep.
informed citizen

Beckley, WV

#215 Apr 26, 2013
been there wrote:
i was told then that i was under age a did not really have any rights and i had to do what i was told
The Supreme Court ruled that students didn't forfeit their rights when they entered the school.

Symbolic speech is allowed unless the school can show it disrupts the educational mission.

Btw-did anyone see that when this student returned to school wearing his shirt that 100 students supported him with wearing the same shirt? That means he had parent/community support because those students had to have the parents get that shirt for them.

I'm conflicted on whether to argue the boy should have shut up & not said a word and let his parents handle it or to support him on standing up for this. I'm leaning toward giving the boy some slack - the teacher was totally in the wrong on the dress code and how it was handled. If he had not taken a stand we probably wouldn't have heard about this and be debating over it.

Please read:

Free Speech Rights of Students

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials...
informed citizen

Beckley, WV

#216 Apr 26, 2013
hourglass wrote:
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"All liberal whiners"? Do you mean that you think that all liberals are whiners, or are you calling out some specific liberals on here that you believe are whining? We, my daughter and I, would not DARE waste our valuable time on anything so petty, as I had related a very similar incident which had occurred with her tee-shirt in school previously.
With all due respect, let me say this very clear, too. The LMS teacher involved in this situation was on cafeteria duty and HE is a male band director.
After reading your comments for the last few years I tend to believe your daughter is probably like her mother & WOULD make a deal out of this.(just going by what I see on here).
Tripp

Alderson, WV

#217 Apr 26, 2013
Bug Ridge wrote:
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These moronic civilians need a good dose of the military .. That would quickly teach them that there is definitely limitations on freedom of speech. Ya learn damn quick when & where to keep your mouth SHUT!
Hell yeah!!! I remember the bus ride to bootcamp from the airport. As we were pulling out of the terminal at the airport the driver looked at all of us through his rear view mirror and said y'all are awfully quiet. You better talk and shit now cause you won't be doing either for awhile when we get to the base. Lol

“Pro Union - Enviro Vigilante”

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Since: Feb 12

Craigsville , WV

#218 Apr 26, 2013
Tripp wrote:
<quoted text>Hell yeah!!! I remember the bus ride to bootcamp from the airport. As we were pulling out of the terminal at the airport the driver looked at all of us through his rear view mirror and said y'all are awfully quiet. You better talk and shit now cause you won't be doing either for awhile when we get to the base. Lol
& then the Ugly Shit began ...

Since: Jun 10

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#219 Apr 26, 2013
informed citizen wrote:
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The Supreme Court ruled that students didn't forfeit their rights when they entered the school.
Symbolic speech is allowed unless the school can show it disrupts the educational mission.
Btw-did anyone see that when this student returned to school wearing his shirt that 100 students supported him with wearing the same shirt? That means he had parent/community support because those students had to have the parents get that shirt for them.
I'm conflicted on whether to argue the boy should have shut up & not said a word and let his parents handle it or to support him on standing up for this. I'm leaning toward giving the boy some slack - the teacher was totally in the wrong on the dress code and how it was handled. If he had not taken a stand we probably wouldn't have heard about this and be debating over it.
Please read:
Free Speech Rights of Students
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials...
The Sons of the Second Amendment, a gun rights group, purchased and distributed the one hundred shirts...

The Washington Times - West Virginia teen returns to school with NRA shirt, classmates’ support

A West Virginia teen who was arrested and suspended for wearing a National Rifle Association T-shirt to school returned to class Monday wearing the same shirt that got him into trouble.

Jared Marcum, 14, was joined by about 100 other students across Logan County who wore shirts with a similar gun rights theme in a show of support for free speech.

Ben White, the Charleston lawyer representing the Logan eighth-grader, said the Sons of the Second Amendment, a gun rights group, purchased and distributed the shirts.

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/22...

Since: Jun 10

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#220 Apr 26, 2013
informed citizen wrote:
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After reading your comments for the last few years I tend to believe your daughter is probably like her mother & WOULD make a deal out of this.(just going by what I see on here).
But, you'd be mistaken.

From my comment #39

Back in the 80s when my daughter was in middle school there was a dress code at her school also, like at most schools, and one of the things nobody could wear was a "death metal" tee-shirt. She didn't have any, didn't violate the dress code, but her history teacher stopped instructing the class one day and asked if her black tee-shirt was "a death metal shirt". She'd shown him that it wasn't,(she didn't own any "death metal" shirts to begin with, and I don't recall what this one depicted, but it wasn't anything offensive, or in violation of the code), yet he gave her a sheet of paper, some tape, and asked her to cover the front of the shirt anyway while she was in his class.

She complied, leaving the front of the shirt covered for the entire school day, tickled to pieces to answer other teachers' and students' questions about why she had a piece of paper taped to her shirt. I can't recall whether she'd worn it again after that, so I'll have to ask her the next time I talk to her since revisiting this fun old memory.

From my comment #41

The shirts that were the problem when my daughter had her experience actually weren't on the dress code either, after I remembered further. There had been a rash of animal sacrifices and devil worshiping in our area which brought about the new "no death metal shirts" rule. It wasn't officially adopted by the county school board.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#221 Apr 26, 2013
hourglass wrote:
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"All liberal whiners"? Do you mean that you think that all liberals are whiners, or are you calling out some specific liberals on here that you believe are whining? We, my daughter and I, would not DARE waste our valuable time on anything so petty, as I had related a very similar incident which had occurred with her tee-shirt in school previously.
With all due respect, let me say this very clear, too. The LMS teacher involved in this situation was on cafeteria duty and HE is a male band director.
If you are not whining, then I was not talking to you. But yes, liberals in general are whiners.
thanks for correcting me on the gender of the teacher, I was just going on what someone here had posted. Even if he is a man, he isnt much of one and was acting like a bitch.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#222 Apr 26, 2013
Tripp wrote:
<quoted text>Hell yeah!!! I remember the bus ride to bootcamp from the airport. As we were pulling out of the terminal at the airport the driver looked at all of us through his rear view mirror and said y'all are awfully quiet. You better talk and shit now cause you won't be doing either for awhile when we get to the base. Lol
the kid is in middle school, not boot camp. School is to educate him, boot camp is to make him a soldier.

Since: Jun 10

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#223 Apr 26, 2013
capitalist pig wrote:
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If you are not whining, then I was not talking to you. But yes, liberals in general are whiners.
thanks for correcting me on the gender of the teacher, I was just going on what someone here had posted. Even if he is a man, he isnt much of one and was acting like a bitch.
Lol.

Since: Jun 10

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#224 Apr 26, 2013
Tripp wrote:
<quoted text>Hell yeah!!! I remember the bus ride to bootcamp from the airport. As we were pulling out of the terminal at the airport the driver looked at all of us through his rear view mirror and said y'all are awfully quiet. You better talk and shit now cause you won't be doing either for awhile when we get to the base. Lol
Jared Marcum himself is planning a career in the military, so I reckon he'd figured he'd better speak while he could and get all the backtalk out of his system way ahead of time.

W.Va. Teen Arrested After 'Almost Inciting Riot' Wearing NRA Shirt to School

http://abcnews.go.com/US/west-virginia-teen-a...

The video on that site includes other freedom of speech and tee-shirt controversies too.
Suggester

Salt Rock, WV

#225 Apr 26, 2013
Even if the kid disagreed with the teacher and felt his rights were being violated, he should have gone ahead and complied. Then when he got home he and his dad should've discussed it and decided what action to take if any. But anytime you refuse to obey someone in authority, that's insubordination. When you're an adult and your boss treats you badly or treads on your rights and you refuse to go along, that's insubordination and you can get fired. I've always been told if that happens, to obey but then later file a grievance or hire a lawyer. No wonder young people can't hold a job anymore, they have no respect for authority. And people are supporting him for standing up to the teacher because his rights were being violated, well what if his parents told him to do or not do something and he refused to obey them because he felt his rights were being violated.

I've heard instances where the police had to be called to homes because the kids were out of control. Even parents can't control their own kids anymore.
I'm all for rights but you have to go about it in an orderly/legal way or you're going to have a rough time making it in society or in the workplace.
thewayitis

Beckley, WV

#226 Apr 26, 2013
It is okay to wear an NRA shirt but the ten commandments have to be taken down off the wall? Goes to show you which God these people worship. You are lucky you're in logan county, I don't believe it would have been so easy in other counties. Must be a bunch of rednecks over there. It surprises me the state let them get by with this. Maybe it's not over yet.
thewayitis

Beckley, WV

#227 Apr 26, 2013
Suggester, you have it right. This kid is already out of control. The parents can look forward to jail visits as he gets older.

“Pro Union - Enviro Vigilante”

Level 1

Since: Feb 12

Craigsville , WV

#228 Apr 26, 2013
hourglass wrote:
<quoted text>Jared Marcum himself is planning a career in the military, so I reckon he'd figured he'd better speak while he could and get all the backtalk out of his system way ahead of time.

W.Va. Teen Arrested After 'Almost Inciting Riot' Wearing NRA Shirt to School

http://abcnews.go.com/US/west-virginia-teen-a...

The video on that site includes other freedom of speech and tee-shirt controversies too.
That kid prolly just ended his possibility of a military career.
I guess

Beckley, WV

#229 Apr 26, 2013
Suggester wrote:
Even if the kid disagreed with the teacher and felt his rights were being violated, he should have gone ahead and complied. Then when he got home he and his dad should've discussed it and decided what action to take if any. But anytime you refuse to obey someone in authority, that's insubordination. When you're an adult and your boss treats you badly or treads on your rights and you refuse to go along, that's insubordination and you can get fired. I've always been told if that happens, to obey but then later file a grievance or hire a lawyer. No wonder young people can't hold a job anymore, they have no respect for authority. And people are supporting him for standing up to the teacher because his rights were being violated, well what if his parents told him to do or not do something and he refused to obey them because he felt his rights were being violated.
I've heard instances where the police had to be called to homes because the kids were out of control. Even parents can't control their own kids anymore.
I'm all for rights but you have to go about it in an orderly/legal way or you're going to have a rough time making it in society or in the workplace.
Under some circumstances your advice is sound. What would you do if your boss asked for a knob job or loose your job? Would you comply? What if your boss asked you to do something that was illegal and you knew it could land you in jail? You still going to comply?

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