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Supreme Court Validates Obamacare - Small Business is dead

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JusBeenLooted

Beckley, WV

#1 Jun 28, 2012
I am a small business man. I have been a single person business and was about to add two employees.

Well, that's two jobs that won't happen now because I can't afford the healthcare requirements.

The United States is no longer a government of and by the people. The constitution has no meaning anymore. I'm so depressed.

I challenge other small business people to report what they are doing concerning hiring and firing because of the corruption of the US Government. We have become one of the most corrupt nations on earth.
informed citizen

Oak Hill, WV

#2 Jun 28, 2012
Yes, that's the bad news -- the affordability of businesses to hire and provide the healthcare.

Also, this means an increase in taxes.

So...loss of jobs in private sector, higher taxes

vs

Good news --job openings --- the government can hire 100,000 IRS workers to oversee and make sure they get your tax refund dollars.
informed citizen

Oak Hill, WV

#3 Jun 28, 2012
Many companies sought and got waivers from this healthcare mandate.

AARP was 100% completely behind this mandate and President Obama.

AARP got a waiver because they couldn't afford it.

Since: Aug 08

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#4 Jun 28, 2012
Small businesses that have less than 50 employees are not required to provide health insurance for their employees. 90% of small businesses have less than 50 employees. If you currently don't have any employees then of course you won't have to offer health insurance to your employees.

Furthermore if your income is less than 300% of the poverty level ($69,150 for a family of 4) you will fall under medicaid and not have to pay for the health insurance. Everybody is going to be covered.
JusBeenLooted

Beckley, WV

#5 Jun 28, 2012
informed citizen wrote:
Many companies sought and got waivers from this healthcare mandate.
AARP was 100% completely behind this mandate and President Obama.
AARP got a waiver because they couldn't afford it.
Yea, and many of them were Obama contributors.

I was going to hire an entry level graphic artist and a receptionist. That's done for now. I'll see what happens in November. I would really consider moving out of the US.
overdramaticunde rinformed

Rocky Mount, NC

#6 Jun 28, 2012
OH NO SMALL BUSINESSES ARE DEAD AND WILL NEVER DO WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY CURRENTLY DO AGAIN.

Luckily thanks to free market capitalism, when angry republican CEO #1 shuts down his store, Opportunistic Businessman #2 will step in and take up the market the previous idiot left behind.

Since: Aug 08

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#7 Jun 28, 2012
I couldn't find any information on the AARP waiver except for rightwing blogs but I did get this tidbit of information from three of them....buried under all the hype:

"....HHS exempted Medigap providers, the largest of which is AARP, from ObamaCare oversight rules that require others who sell insurance policies to justify their rate increases and comply with rules requiring minimum profits and maximum health care payments."

So AARP is not exempt from paying for health insurance for their employees but are exempt from the rules about rate increases....at least according to these blogs....couldn't find any unbiased information.

I have supplemental medicare insurance through AARP and it goes up 3% each year until it reaches a 12% increase. Maybe they're self-regulating themselves.

Since: Aug 08

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#8 Jun 28, 2012
JusBeenLooted wrote:
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Yea, and many of them were Obama contributors.
I was going to hire an entry level graphic artist and a receptionist. That's done for now. I'll see what happens in November. I would really consider moving out of the US.
Oh please, do some research!
informed citizen

Oak Hill, WV

#9 Jun 28, 2012
TAX INCREASES, TAX INCREASES, TAX INCREASES

The "T" was carefully avoided during health care debate and passage and arguments before the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court has cleared up that matter. TAX TAX TAX-SPEND SPEND SPEND

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Robert said - the government does not have the power to order people to by health insurance - but

Congress can tax you to make sure you get insurance.

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Writing for the 5-4 majority that upheld the law, Chief Justice John Roberts said:”The Federal Government does not have the power to order people to buy health insurance.” The section of the law that mandates that ”would therefore be unconstitutional if read as a command,” Roberts wrote.”The Federal Government does have the power to impose a tax on those without health insurance.” That part of the law,“is therefore constitutional, because it can reasonably be read as a tax.”

And this:“The Affordable Care Act is constitutional in part and unconstitutional in part. The individual mandate cannot be upheld as an exercise of Congress’s power under the Commerce Clause. That clause authorizes Congress to regulate interstate commerce, not to order individuals to engage in it. In this case, however, it is reasonable to construe what Congress has done as increasing taxes on those who have a certain amount of income, but choose to go without health insurance. Such legislation is within Congress’s power to tax.”
Big1

Oak Hill, WV

#10 Jun 28, 2012
Oh God it's the end of the world. These Republicans cring sounds like the day after the election when our President was elected. The AG'S from those states that sued should have to pay back any money they wasted taking this to the Supreme Court. How many millions $$$ were thrown down the toliet. This is why we need tort reform.
capitalist pig

Lubbock, TX

#11 Jun 28, 2012
Please, no one ever refer to John Roberts as conservative again.
After the immigartion ruling and now this, conservative my ass.
capitalist pig

Lubbock, TX

#12 Jun 28, 2012
Well, now the election terms are set. The election will be all about the healthcare law. This will be the citizens only chance to vote down the biggest tax increase in American History.
Abouttime

Ambridge, PA

#13 Jun 28, 2012
Maybe the republican rich man should now give back the tax breaks they get and start paying what the middle class pays. I beleive that would help that gap in funding for this.
informed citizen

Oak Hill, WV

#14 Jun 28, 2012
Check out who got the waivers

AARP

Biggest recipients = Unions

Pelosi's District got a big chunk - 20% of the waivers

Pelosi Defends Obamacare Waivers To 1,800 Firms:'They're Small Companies'

Is McDonald's a "small" company?

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#15 Jun 28, 2012
No one making less than $69,150 for a family of 4 or $33,510 for a single person will have to pay one dime for health insurance. Get the facts.

Since: Aug 08

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#16 Jun 28, 2012
informed citizen wrote:
Check out who got the waivers
AARP
Biggest recipients = Unions
Pelosi's District got a big chunk - 20% of the waivers
Pelosi Defends Obamacare Waivers To 1,800 Firms:'They're Small Companies'
Is McDonald's a "small" company?
There you go posting a lie again....AARP got a waiver on insurance premium increases...not on offering insurance to their employees.

"Thirty companies and organizations, including McDonald's (MCD) and Jack in the Box (JACK), won't be required to raise the minimum annual benefit included in low-cost health plans, which are often used to cover part-time or low-wage employees. The United Agricultural Benefit Trust, the California-based cooperative that offers coverage to farm workers, was allowed to exempt 17,347 people. San Diego-based Jack in the Box's waiver is for 1,130 workers, while McDonald's asked to excuse 115,000."

You are posting incomplete information and claiming it's something that it is not.
JusBeenLooted

Beckley, WV

#17 Jun 28, 2012
Wow, there are some liberal quacks on her whose clocks are a few ticks short of a full day.

Ever wonder if that LL identity is one person, or a vast left wing group of conspirators?

LL can say what ever the left's position is at them moment, but the fact is - small business is scared and consumer confidence was just shaken even more.

And, to the person that makes fun of capitalism and stays that when one business quits, another rises up to take it's place. Where have you been? Ever heard about the record unemployment we're having. And more personally, I am all for helping others - but I'd like for my business to do good and grow. I was one of those displaced by Obama's attach on coal, so I looked for a job in this land of opportunity, but no one was interested in a 50+ yo computer programmer. So I started my own company.

I'm in the trenches trying to build a solid business and my greatest fear is not competition, it is the continuing destruction of the economy by the left and their puppet in chief.
capitalist pig

Lubbock, TX

#18 Jun 28, 2012
IC, John Roberts has just informed you that the constitution does not matter. this guy is a bigger turncoat than Sutter was. It is not illegal to be in this country illegally and now the federal government can force you to buy something.
How hard to you have to twist to say that the argument made by the defendant is not valid, but still rule in their favor.
The Obama administration has argued all along that they had the authority to do the health care law under the commerce clause. The law was passed under the argument that it was not a tax. Roberts rules that it is a tax and upholds the law.
You cant have more twisted logic than that.
informed citizen

Oak Hill, WV

#19 Jun 28, 2012
Supreme Court Ruling a tax increase -

google says so

About 222,000,000 results (0.14 seconds)

Supreme Court upholds healthcare law as tax measure

The ruling was not a total victory for the Obama administration.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts, who wrote the opinion for a 5-4 majority, said the required expansion of Medicaid violates states’ rights and may be unconstitutional.

“The states are given no choice in this case. They must either accept a basic change in the nature of Medicaid or risk losing all Medicaid funding,” he wrote.

He said the federal government cannot require the states to follow this part of the law.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-su...
Big1

Oak Hill, WV

#20 Jun 28, 2012
capitalist pig wrote:
Well, now the election terms are set. The election will be all about the healthcare law. This will be the citizens only chance to vote down the biggest tax increase in American History.
Lets all vote for the man who wrote the law this health care bill was modeled from. Willard can't run on healthcare. If I was Obama every speach I made would start out with me saying "I want to thank Gov. Romney for his work on the healthcare bill.

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