“ad hominem = ignorance”

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#41 May 27, 2010
3- Tim has bounced?

Hahahahahaha! He has done 3 things his entire life... how is that bouncing? He was a professional Umpire that chose to leave the profession because of family sickness... that is bouncing? He owned a cable company and then went into high school coaching until he got his college degree and then became a teacher and coach in the college system. He then chose to step out to try and develop a baseball training facility..... And that hopping around ! hahahahhahaha

4- I am a photographer based out of my fathers offices....

Partially true. But let me assist you in something. I bought my building space. I owned the studio prior by renting it on Eisenhower Rd. I also have invested several thousands of my own money into that business. You know anything about my agreement to have a business in that building? Do you know the responsibilities I have for being in that building? Did't think so.

5- Tim is the coach because of our father building a stadium and owning a team....

Dad hired a man who controls evering on that field... his name is Mike Gilligan. He is called the GM, or general manager. Tim has the position of head baseball coach because he knows what he is doing... you think if he wasnt qualified, it would be a wise investment to put just anyone in the position of making a team that willcompete and generate wins that the communitiy will come out and support... hahahaha

You have really made me laugh with all the nonsense. Tim, Gary, myself, my father, my mother etc... are blessed by God. Just because God has given us favor in this season, does not make us anything more than being fortunate.

My father has trained me to be responsible, he has invested time in me, like any father should.

You may attempt to verbally slander our intent. You have that right, but a word of advice...

"The grass always looks greener on the other side... but you still have to MOW it" meaning, you know nothing of the hours spent at accomplishing anything we have, or are, or will be doing.

“ad hominem = ignorance”

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#42 May 27, 2010
(cont)

6- I claim to be a preach that the last time you checked only took a bible to do....

Sigh... Again... your lack of information, and you inability to find out facts before you verbally attack my brother, or myself says allot....

My denomination REQUIRES certain things...

one of which is an education.

I have been in schooling for ministry for the last 3 years. I also have worked doing ministry and being developed for 19 years.

Requirements for me to be a minister equals to 16 months of testing, lectures, oral consultations, and most importantly being mentored underneath a pastor.

I wish I could have been a pastor just by word of mouth... but it doesn't work that way.

I have certifications and obligations to be given the title of reverend, and ordained, and bishop etc...

but thank goodness for that bible... Afterall it is initially God who draws you to such a lonely occupation.

Pastoring is a thankless job, and you simply think it is just having a bible. lol How many hospital visits do you do in a week?

How far do you travel on a phone calls notice to be with a family you have never met... just to pray for them because they searched you?

How many houses have you entered where the conditions in that house were worse than a kennel, and you stood there week after week to help them get on their feet....

How many hours have you spent handing out food to those who do not have anything... or how many countries have you been in soley to build day care facilities, and dig ditches so little villages have running water.... I have been doing those things now for 19 years years...

as well as gaining a secular education, as well as learning and studying to be approved....
Yup just a bible I guess.

BTW, did I mention I coach softball and let teams come into our facility with me for nothing to help them? Guess not. lol

Please rethink your remarks that really are nothing more than accusations because you do not have the ability to accomplish what we currently are in the area.

BTW Forgive the spelling I didnt take time to proof read :D
Opinions

Beckley, WV

#43 May 27, 2010
I'm sorry Mr. Epling but you are looking rather foolish on here. If you have nothing to defend why are you trying so hard to defend? If you let it go, everyone else will let it go, you keep adding fuel to the fire.
Now I have a son who loves baseball and he would love to come to the training facility to get the help he needs, he is a little better than average but not a pro, and after calling to Upper Deck there is just not way I could afford those prices. Sorry, it might be a nice facility and he might know baseball but it is not for regular middle class people, that does not want to let their bills go to pay for it.
Honestly, after attending a few of the High school games that T.E. was at well I will just leave it at this, If I was able to take my son to a traning facility I would try to find one where the instructor was not so.........
BarryLarkinFan

Ashford, WV

#44 May 27, 2010
(A.)I must apologize because when did Tim Epling become a baseball god? I know his teams at Liberty never did anything, and WVU Tech was terrible.

(B.)Did he apply for the job at Woodrow when it became open after Tom Parham retired? If he did, then I guess he was passed up for the job or he didn't have a teaching job.

(C.)Mark Daniel will stay as long as he wants at Woodrow. He already had accomplished more in 10 years than Tom Parham did in 25 years.

(D.)Lastly, I won't name any names, but how about the kid who played at Woodrow this year who spent all year training at your facility? His dad is friends with Tim and helps out at the new stadium. I watched him play and he had zero chance of hitting on the varsity level. My understanding is that he hit under .100 on the year. He was a decent pitcher, but whoever taught him to hit the way he does might want to try something else because he wasted a lot of money to only bat for that average. Just my opinion.
good for beckley

United States

#45 May 27, 2010
Whatever ur opinions are of the eplings.... doug is making baseball in beckley that much better by bringing in a prospect league team... is that not all that really matters?
BarryLarkinFan

Ashford, WV

#46 May 27, 2010
Its nice to see that great stadium and that they have the Prospect League here, but it has zero benefit as far as bettering baseball in Beckley. There are no Beckley kids on the team.

The youth leagues are where the problem is and there is not enough kids playing anymore like another poster said.
Beaver Resident

Fremont, CA

#47 May 27, 2010
Matt, if you bought the space in you fathers building and it was not handed to you then I applaud you. Like I said, I have nothing against anyone. Doug has worked hard and deserves everything he has.
If Tim is not out for money and the average person can afford his prices, then why don't you post what it costs to attend his facility. Also post what it cost each kid to play in his middle school league. Then do a price breakdown and I guarantee you that you will see the average person cannot afford it.
If Tim is going to come out to my local Little League (Shady Spring) and put on a clinic for the youth then that would be great. I know the president though and nothing about it has been said to him. The only talking between them was how he should tell his kids to go to Tim's spring break camp that cost the kids way too much.
BarryLarkinFan is correct in that too many kids are not playing ball anymore. Back when I was a kid, kids would always be running around the neighborhood playing different pick up games in various sports. We were outside enjoying ourselves. Now, kids would rather sit inside all day playing their X-box.
I like the fact that a prospect team is around and there is some type of baseball present. While I do not have season tickets, I will be bringing my family to see the games.

“ad hominem = ignorance”

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#48 May 27, 2010
BarryLarkinFan wrote:
(A.)I must apologize because when did Tim Epling become a baseball god? I know his teams at Liberty never did anything, and WVU Tech was terrible.
(B.)Did he apply for the job at Woodrow when it became open after Tom Parham retired? If he did, then I guess he was passed up for the job or he didn't have a teaching job.
(C.)Mark Daniel will stay as long as he wants at Woodrow. He already had accomplished more in 10 years than Tom Parham did in 25 years.
(D.)Lastly, I won't name any names, but how about the kid who played at Woodrow this year who spent all year training at your facility? His dad is friends with Tim and helps out at the new stadium. I watched him play and he had zero chance of hitting on the varsity level. My understanding is that he hit under .100 on the year. He was a decent pitcher, but whoever taught him to hit the way he does might want to try something else because he wasted a lot of money to only bat for that average. Just my opinion.
rotfl! What was WVU techs record Tims last year? What was the WVU Techs combined record before Tim was there?

And lastly... Jealously gets you everything except peace. Enjoy
Baseball Woes

Fremont, CA

#49 May 27, 2010
Southern West Virginia has never really been a powerhouse baseball area. You have had success in the state tournament out of our area high schools a few times, but for the most part our teams make it there then find themselves coming home.
When the legion team was successful, it was due to Tabor having kids from 3/4 the state.
Epling has built a beautiful field and also has a good indoor facility. However, all the posters are correct in saying that the cost is too high. I am not going to say whose interests Tim has at heart, but with the prices he is charging he definitely is not going to be poor anytime soon. The price the kids had to pay in order to play in his middle school league was ridiculous. Tim needs to realize that not everyone in this area is as well off as his family. Now Matt you can come screaming at me all you want about how you get what you pay for and how everyone is looking for something for free, but the fact of the matter is Tim is overcharging our area youth.

“ad hominem = ignorance”

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#50 May 27, 2010
BarryLarkinFan wrote:
(A.)I must apologize because when did Tim Epling become a baseball god? I know his teams at Liberty never did anything, and WVU Tech was terrible.
(B.)Did he apply for the job at Woodrow when it became open after Tom Parham retired? If he did, then I guess he was passed up for the job or he didn't have a teaching job.
(C.)Mark Daniel will stay as long as he wants at Woodrow. He already had accomplished more in 10 years than Tom Parham did in 25 years.
(D.)Lastly, I won't name any names, but how about the kid who played at Woodrow this year who spent all year training at your facility? His dad is friends with Tim and helps out at the new stadium. I watched him play and he had zero chance of hitting on the varsity level. My understanding is that he hit under .100 on the year. He was a decent pitcher, but whoever taught him to hit the way he does might want to try something else because he wasted a lot of money to only bat for that average. Just my opinion.
Uhhh that young boy was a pitcher... not training in batting... and that person, you should ask his parents about how much he has improved as opposed to your inability to think outside of baseball in your own mind.

The fact is, the public opinion will address the WWHS baseball program and the Upper Deck.

Upper Deck in 1 year = 3 players going to pros

Upper Deck in 1 year = 1 sweet 16 girls softball ASA WORLD series Championship.

The exposure of the prospect league (NCAA players coming here to play) benefits Beckley with baseball.

If you can't see the benefit, you dont have to participate.

“ad hominem = ignorance”

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#51 May 27, 2010
Baseball Woes wrote:
Southern West Virginia has never really been a powerhouse baseball area. You have had success in the state tournament out of our area high schools a few times, but for the most part our teams make it there then find themselves coming home.
When the legion team was successful, it was due to Tabor having kids from 3/4 the state.
Epling has built a beautiful field and also has a good indoor facility. However, all the posters are correct in saying that the cost is too high. I am not going to say whose interests Tim has at heart, but with the prices he is charging he definitely is not going to be poor anytime soon. The price the kids had to pay in order to play in his middle school league was ridiculous. Tim needs to realize that not everyone in this area is as well off as his family. Now Matt you can come screaming at me all you want about how you get what you pay for and how everyone is looking for something for free, but the fact of the matter is Tim is overcharging our area youth.
How much is he charging? Seeing as your accusation is made?

No screaming done yet. When people who hide behind anon names make lies, they should be addressed. You speak, hide behind a made up name and call your remarks factual... without any credible information.

You like baseball the way it is... stay away from doing what needs to be done to make it better.

The facility, in any other state costs twice what Upper Deck charges without credible trainers and pro players being involved.

So tell me, how much is it?

So while I openly claim who I am, so that those who see my words can actually confront me in person with issues made here.. is not crying. It is being able to be accountable with my words so trust can be established.

Please tell me how much it costs.... I know, so tell me here... if not, you just made a false accusation. But then again, that is the benefit of a made up name on topix... agreed.
BarryLarkinFan

Ashford, WV

#52 May 27, 2010
Well you shouldn't trash other coaches then. Look at Beckley's record before Mark Daniel and then after. They hadnt even been to state tournament in 11 years when he took over and now has already been 3 times in the last 10 years and were one out away in 2006 and 2002. Maybe you don't like the guy, but he has done a good job with a program that was in shambles when he got it. They had a losing record overall for the 90's decade.

And congrats on taking 3 kids who were already good and taking the credit on them becoming professionals.

As said by numerous posters, if he was really in it for the kids then he would put on a few free clinics here and there like alot of other places to. He would put on clinics for the coaches. With as much as he charges, giving a free clinic here and there is nothing.

“ad hominem = ignorance”

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#53 May 27, 2010
BarryLarkinFan wrote:
Well you shouldn't trash other coaches then. Look at Beckley's record before Mark Daniel and then after. They hadnt even been to state tournament in 11 years when he took over and now has already been 3 times in the last 10 years and were one out away in 2006 and 2002. Maybe you don't like the guy, but he has done a good job with a program that was in shambles when he got it. They had a losing record overall for the 90's decade.
And congrats on taking 3 kids who were already good and taking the credit on them becoming professionals.
As said by numerous posters, if he was really in it for the kids then he would put on a few free clinics here and there like alot of other places to. He would put on clinics for the coaches. With as much as he charges, giving a free clinic here and there is nothing.
I will say this very clearly. I have not condemned any coach or any organization. Not one word have I mentioned tearing down anyone.

Who specifically do this? You have sparked my interest... tell me who is doing free clinics in the way you described specifically in this area or in the state who have what we have.... I can not wait. I will call them personally.

Upper Deck has only been opened less than 18 months, and you obviously know more about it than my family. Do you have a resume... we are highly interested in your knowledge of how things are done at this level
capitalist pig

Lubbock, TX

#54 May 27, 2010
Wait a minute, we have a private facility built with private funds and the owner wants to make his living from it. Sounds like every other business in the world to me.
A product that was not available before is now being offered to local citizens. If it is a good product that the people want and value, they will buy it and the business will prosper. if it is not a good product, people will not buy it.
It is called the free enterpise system.
opinion

Beckley, WV

#55 May 27, 2010
Pastor Matt E wrote:
<quoted text>
How much is he charging? Seeing as your accusation is made?
No screaming done yet. When people who hide behind anon names make lies, they should be addressed. You speak, hide behind a made up name and call your remarks factual... without any credible information.
You like baseball the way it is... stay away from doing what needs to be done to make it better.
The facility, in any other state costs twice what Upper Deck charges without credible trainers and pro players being involved.
So tell me, how much is it?
So while I openly claim who I am, so that those who see my words can actually confront me in person with issues made here.. is not crying. It is being able to be accountable with my words so trust can be established.
Please tell me how much it costs.... I know, so tell me here... if not, you just made a false accusation. But then again, that is the benefit of a made up name on topix... agreed.
Again Looking VERY Foolish!
Beckleybites

Beckley, WV

#56 May 27, 2010
capitalist pig wrote:
Wait a minute, we have a private facility built with private funds and the owner wants to make his living from it. Sounds like every other business in the world to me.
A product that was not available before is now being offered to local citizens. If it is a good product that the people want and value, they will buy it and the business will prosper. if it is not a good product, people will not buy it.
It is called the free enterpise system.
Who would have thunk it! lol
These School teachers come on here ragging private business is a freaking hoot!
The Eplings have spent 40 years in baseball. I remember watching them develop American Legion, little league, and babe ruth when everyone else were a bunch of drunks and hoodlums.
Doug Epling was instrumental in Boxing, football, baseball, YMCA when they were thriving.
I remember "Looper" when he pitched for WWHS, and the time they put into building, grooming, and maintaining that field that the school has abused and destroyed because they care only about pleasing themselves.
Daniels is a total jack arse. Everyone knows it. I bet these remarks against the Upper Deck is 2 or 3 people changing their names probably teachers supposed to be teaching and instead are typing on the computer while they let the students at WWHS have sex and smoke in the bathrooms.
All you people who downgrade the Epling's and say they arent for baseball and the youth are the ones looking foolish. these Beckley aristocrats who are angry at the world are the real problem.
Beckley Sucks at sports because of lack of playing with ethics... you all are a bunch of tards! Summersville FTW!
another anonymous poster

Beckley, WV

#57 May 27, 2010
First of, I am not related to the Epling family, nor am I a personal friend of their family. I do, however, have a lot of respect for their family for the investment that they made in the stadium, Upper Deck, etc... Yes Upper Deck is a business meant to make profit, as well as the Miners. Why open a business and not try and make some profit? That would be a charity. If Tim is making money, then good for him for making a living doing what others wish they could do, earn a living by doing what one love's. And yes, Upper Deck and the Miners and the field all are investments. Some posters act like the Epling's are selling crack to kids by their posts on here.

I have no kid that plays baseball, so I have no dog in this fight. Matt Epling is the only person that has posted his name on this thread, the others like myself remain anonymous. I do think that Pastor Matt harbors ill-will to the school system for what he feels are slights to his family. I know of many, I didn't say all, but many coaches in Raleigh County that are good quality coaches. Coaches that give many off-season hours and do their best.

Many people have said that they know more qualified coaches. Based on whose standards? Playing a sport does not make one a good coach. Good example, Wayne Gretzky, Isaiah Thomas, etc... The funny thing about some of these posts is that why is it that only WWHS is the only school with inadequate coaches? I see some at WWHS and some at the other high schools in our county.
nothingnew

Beckley, WV

#58 May 28, 2010
another anonymous poster wrote:
First of, I am not related to the Epling family, nor am I a personal friend of their family. I do, however, have a lot of respect for their family for the investment that they made in the stadium, Upper Deck, etc... Yes Upper Deck is a business meant to make profit, as well as the Miners. Why open a business and not try and make some profit? That would be a charity. If Tim is making money, then good for him for making a living doing what others wish they could do, earn a living by doing what one love's. And yes, Upper Deck and the Miners and the field all are investments. Some posters act like the Epling's are selling crack to kids by their posts on here.
I have no kid that plays baseball, so I have no dog in this fight. Matt Epling is the only person that has posted his name on this thread, the others like myself remain anonymous. I do think that Pastor Matt harbors ill-will to the school system for what he feels are slights to his family. I know of many, I didn't say all, but many coaches in Raleigh County that are good quality coaches. Coaches that give many off-season hours and do their best.
Many people have said that they know more qualified coaches. Based on whose standards? Playing a sport does not make one a good coach. Good example, Wayne Gretzky, Isaiah Thomas, etc... The funny thing about some of these posts is that why is it that only WWHS is the only school with inadequate coaches? I see some at WWHS and some at the other high schools in our county.
I would say that I too agree with most of what you are aying except for the part about Pastor Matt. When I read this thread in its entirety, I have to say... Pastor Matt's remarks were in defense of what others where saying about him and his family.

I don't see how his remarks have said anything that was not justified. If his remarks are true about the ball field at the school, then it isn't ill will, it was clarifying one incident where the school system clearly dropped the ball.

I will also add I do not have any involvement in baseball, but do have family and friends who go to school at WWHS, and the comments against Woodrows athletics are not new. Many of my friends state that Woodrows baseball and football programs are simply horrible with regard to their coaching philosophies.

This thread is about frustrations about Woodrow, not Upper Deck, nor other schools in Raleigh county. To bash the owners of the new baseball stadium, or the baseball facility called Upperdeck is way off topic and I believe and attempt to change the real issue which is Woodrow Wilson High Schools unpopular coaching practices towards their players. I am glad a family can do what the Eplings ( ALL OF THEM) are doing in Beckley. And I especially think it is great that one of them openly claims to be a pastor.
beckleyfan

Advent, WV

#59 May 28, 2010
As I stated earlier, Woodrow went to the state tournament more times in the last 10 years than they did in the previous 50 so something is going right over there.

If a kid tries out for basketball at Woodrow and can't shoot or make layups, then they don't make the team. Kids play for Woodrow in baseball and they make errors and can't hit and its automatically the coaches fault.

Your trying to take 10 years of bad habits of throwing wrong, fielding wrong, and hitting wrong and trying to turn them into a good player.

Maybe Upper Deck will help these kids do things the right way so they don't get to high school and look like a Little League player. Parents are the worst culprits here. They watch a baseball game and automatically think they can coach. I am not just talking at Woodrow either. Talk to Chris Walls and Greg Nunn over in Fayette County or the Shady and Independence coaches and they will tell you parents are a big problem right now.
LettHemPlAy

Beckley, WV

#60 May 28, 2010
beckleyfan wrote:
As I stated earlier, Woodrow went to the state tournament more times in the last 10 years than they did in the previous 50 so something is going right over there.
If a kid tries out for basketball at Woodrow and can't shoot or make layups, then they don't make the team. Kids play for Woodrow in baseball and they make errors and can't hit and its automatically the coaches fault.
Your trying to take 10 years of bad habits of throwing wrong, fielding wrong, and hitting wrong and trying to turn them into a good player.
Maybe Upper Deck will help these kids do things the right way so they don't get to high school and look like a Little League player. Parents are the worst culprits here. They watch a baseball game and automatically think they can coach. I am not just talking at Woodrow either. Talk to Chris Walls and Greg Nunn over in Fayette County or the Shady and Independence coaches and they will tell you parents are a big problem right now.
So true, parents make things much worse. Woodrow going to the states has nothing to do with the atitudes of the coaches and staff. It has everything to do with the time the kids put into baseball before they got to high school. A high school gets 3 years to train a kid, and the kid is at least 16 when they step onto the field.

In my opinion, those years of going to the state tournaments were because of the talent that were given to Daniels and company. Who did they develop into talent is my question. Giving WWHS credit for the traveling teams work isn't fair.

Daniels hasnt developed anything but an ego to turn players away from the sport. He took the community out of baseball with his attitude. He verbally turned players away from the sport because of their last name, not the talent they had. Baseball at INDY, and Shady have gotten talent simply because noone wants to play for the Beckley program.

He makes enemies out of students.

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