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convinced

Beckley, WV

#1 Jan 29, 2014
I don't know how much more I can stand. I just getting hotter and hotter. Im willing to allow people to charge me whatever they want for gas and heat to keep from destroying the world. hahahahha
Yeti

Beckley, WV

#2 Jan 29, 2014
convinced wrote:
I don't know how much more I can stand. I just getting hotter and hotter. Im willing to allow people to charge me whatever they want for gas and heat to keep from destroying the world. hahahahha
You are an idiot who does not understand how ecology works. these blasts of arctic air should never have been able to make it this far south but they have because of human impacts that turned the arctic dent into a full fledged hole.

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hokiehater

Bluefield, WV

#3 Jan 29, 2014
Yeti wrote:
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You are an idiot who does not understand how ecology works. these blasts of arctic air should never have been able to make it this far south but they have because of human impacts that turned the arctic dent into a full fledged hole.


30 years ago when i was young these arctic blasts lasted much of the winter ,you sir need to lay off of the koolaid and realize climate change has been going on for centuries.
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convinced

Beckley, WV

#5 Jan 29, 2014
Yeti wrote:
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You are an idiot who does not understand how ecology works. these blasts of arctic air should never have been able to make it this far south but they have because of human impacts that turned the arctic dent into a full fledged hole.
No you a dam idiot...I can remember it cold just like this in the 70s.Dont try to act like it didn't use to get below 0 AROUND HERE AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN IT DOES.

So in your world Im supposed to believe that because of global warming its actually colder???
convinced

Beckley, WV

#6 Jan 29, 2014
hokiehater wrote:
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30 years ago when i was young these arctic blasts lasted much of the winter ,you sir need to lay off of the koolaid and realize climate change has been going on for centuries.
I totally agree, but climate change has been going on for Billions of years. Other than that your right
hillbilly holer

Marlinton, WV

#7 Jan 30, 2014
How do you explain the cancellation of the Iditarod dog sled race in Alaska because of warm weather.There is a world out side of Beckley.You can deny science but it will not go away.
the warmist nut

Oak Hill, WV

#8 Jan 30, 2014
globul warming is a farce
globul warmist

Oak Hill, WV

#9 Jan 30, 2014
globul warming is a farce
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globul warming

Oak Hill, WV

#13 Jan 30, 2014
hillbilly holer wrote:
How do you explain the cancellation of the Iditarod dog sled race in Alaska because of warm weather.There is a world out side of Beckley.You can deny science but it will not go away.
just a qualifier was cancelled get your facts straight, and globul warming is money making lie.
Billy Clubber

Beckley, WV

#14 Jan 30, 2014
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Billy Clubber

Beckley, WV

#16 Jan 30, 2014
I would take theories built around objective peer reviewed evidence over anecdotal "Why back in my day... we had to walk to school in 6 feet of snow up hill, both ways, backwards and barefoot." that the global warming hoax THEORY is based on. Loose the nostalgia goggles. Just like when you were five you peekked and saw your daddys junk and still to this day you still dont think you are half the man he was.

But by all means go ahead and produce evidence that invalidates those theories directly. Youve already been provided with ample evidence that invalidates the hoax theory. So go one, Well wait.

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The Big Town!

#17 Jan 30, 2014
Porch Honkey wrote:
Just theories. Nothing but that. Just like I theorize about doing your Momma and Sister.
Just like the Theory of Evolution?:)
You need more science in your life.

Since: May 08

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#18 Jan 30, 2014
Climate change HAS happened over millions of years...That's a fact......The question that is ASKED constantly now is man causing it today?

http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/nerc130k...

How can so many unequivocally state for a certain FACT this "global warming" is NOT a natural progression of the Earth's regular cycles?

These changes in the Earth's climate have come and gone for thousands/millions of years when there were little to NO people to affect it....Just saying

I read recently the last 37 years have been the warmest in "history"...Who's history?......The History of the planet or the History of one area, or the History of whatever years advocates of global warming decide to use?.
Billy Clubber

Beckley, WV

#19 Jan 30, 2014
Shootist wrote:
Climate change HAS happened over millions of years...That's a fact......The question that is ASKED constantly now is man causing it today?
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/nerc130k...
How can so many unequivocally state for a certain FACT this "global warming" is NOT a natural progression of the Earth's regular cycles?
These changes in the Earth's climate have come and gone for thousands/millions of years when there were little to NO people to affect it....Just saying
I read recently the last 37 years have been the warmest in "history"...Who's history?......The History of the planet or the History of one area, or the History of whatever years advocates of global warming decide to use?.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/...
All global, First is multiple studies, second is degree of abnormal percentage, third is threshold spiking

Yes, climate change is natural for the planet, and is also caused by extraterrestrial influence like solar activity. However on the question...

"How can so many unequivocally state for a certain FACT this "global warming" is NOT a natural progression of the Earth's regular cycles?"

The answer is fairly straight forward. It is because so many different studies have been performed, of which consistently clearly show similar upward trends showing rapid growth well beyond previously recorded and historically extrapolated recorded highs. Compare the mass of data supporting this, compared to the overwhelming lack of evidence that casts doubt on the conclusion. That is simply how science works. If the hoax side presented more compelling evidence than "Why back in my day" or "Al Gore is looking to get rich" then maybe the hoax argument could be taken more seriously. Science welcomes that evidence with reproducible results to disprove known theories. With pure scientific inquiry there is no bias.

Since: May 08

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#20 Jan 30, 2014
The answer is fairly straight forward. It is because so many different studies have been performed, of which consistently clearly show similar upward trends showing rapid growth well beyond previously recorded and historically extrapolated recorded highs.

That's my POINT " showing rapid growth well beyond previously recorded and historically extrapolated recorded highs"

Previously recorded?..over thousands of years?
Historically EXTRAPOLATED record highs? All over the world?

Extrapolated record highs?...That's a GUESS based on science, not a one hundred per cent FACT.

Personally, I don't espouse any THEROY I may have on how one winter was twenty years ago determines how cold winters have been for hundreds of years, or how many HOT years we've had in a row to make an assumption that the last thirty seven years have been the warmest on record when they don't have FACTUAL data to prove it.

There are "scientists" who don't believe in the global warming thing.. albeit they are in the minority, but just because a scientific study indicates something, that doesn't ALWAYS mean it's right in all cases....Just saying.
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Billy Clubber

Beckley, WV

#22 Jan 30, 2014
Shootist wrote:
The answer is fairly straight forward. It is because so many different studies have been performed, of which consistently clearly show similar upward trends showing rapid growth well beyond previously recorded and historically extrapolated recorded highs.
That's my POINT " showing rapid growth well beyond previously recorded and historically extrapolated recorded highs"
Previously recorded?..over thousands of years?
Historically EXTRAPOLATED record highs? All over the world?
Extrapolated record highs?...That's a GUESS based on science, not a one hundred per cent FACT.
Personally, I don't espouse any THEORY I may have on how one winter was twenty years ago determines how cold winters have been for hundreds of years, or how many HOT years we've had in a row to make an assumption that the last thirty seven years have been the warmest on record when they don't have FACTUAL data to prove it.
There are "scientists" who don't believe in the global warming thing.. albeit they are in the minority, but just because a scientific study indicates something, that doesn't ALWAYS mean it's right in all cases....Just saying.
But they DO have factual data to prove it. In fact it is its own scientific branch called Paleoclimatology. It is the same data that basically anyone with the willingness to do it can go collect. Its what those thousands of people digging up ice cores counting the rings on primeval tree stumps, chipping through layers of sediment, contribute to. It is far from guess work. Its a collaboration and sharing of data from a variety of fields like geology, astrology, anthropology, biology, etc. that constantly is refined to help clarify the picture. However the broad picture is already very clear.

Here, this is basically our climates history.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
Billy Clubber

Beckley, WV

#23 Jan 30, 2014
Porch Honkey wrote:
<quoted text>Many scientists don't go along with the Global warming,(ahem Climate change as they call it now. They have already found data was fudged by some scientists to support it. There are scientists that believe we are in a cooling trend for the next 20 years. I don't drink the government Kool Aid.
Hey, thats great. Please, cite those sources. I would love a chance to improve my understanding, and see how well their findings hold up under scrutiny. I mean when exactly is that 20 year cooling trend supposed to begin given that we are still on a yearly warming trend and have yet to see any evidence of that slowing, much less reversing.

However, you do understand that it has absolutely no political context, right? This isnt a US theory, this is globally accepted and constantly peer reviewed theory. Just like my first and second posts came from not just US based sources like NASA and the NOAA, but a variety of international sources. It is kind of humorous to see people all defensive about "drinking government kool aid" not trusting what they have been told but yet refute long standing and repeatedly tested knowledge by what they heard from "scientists"
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Patio Honky

Beckley, WV

#29 Jan 31, 2014
Brrr! It's Global Cooling, oops, it's Global Warming,oops it's Climate Change, oops it's Severe Climate. Lots of different names over the years, the marketing is just gaining traction with the folks. Keep trying, maybe some other name will gain traction. Good Luck. Amore!
Billy Clubber

Beckley, WV

#30 Jan 31, 2014
So, when I asked for objective empirical peer reviewed findings of scientists, you offer up an out of work conspiracy theorist blogger who by his own admission "canít claim to be an expert on climate science." And a weatherman whos only peer reviewed work was a collaborative effort that only questioned the accuracy of weather testing stations that was only published by the well respected publishing house known for producing the "For dummies" series of how to guide books.

This is why I asked for you to actually cite sources. Not because I am
incapable of doing the research myself. I wanted you to show what you are basing your claims on. As expected the "sources" you provided are very typical for the dissenting minority opinion. Built around, to borrow your own terms "Junk Science" typically from research that is funded by political groups to validate what ever claim that political group is trying to make and tin foil wearing crack pot conspiracy theorists simply does not hold up to scrutiny.

All condescension on my part aside, even if you were to accept what you put forth as evidence were true, it is so limited in scope that it in no way casts any shadow of doubt over the existing theory. The actual data supplied, what little there was of it, is not in conflict with established overall theory, only minor elements of it and ends up making pretty reaching conclusions based on mostly highly subjective interpretation. Certainly not enough evidence to illustrate any sort of cooling trend or casting any doubt over established incremental increases not only since the "mini ice age" after the black death, or that we are now warmer than we have been in the last 10,000 years, or since humans took first steps toward civilization after surviving the end of the last real ice age.

While there might be better sources with more sound evidence, this is what you chose to lead with. Its pretty telling of what you are willing to believe if that is the best foot you are putting forward.

So with all due respect, your "kool aid drinking" statement is invalid
because you just illustrated how you are more than willing to guzzle it down by the gallon. You just demand it be one exact flavor.

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#31 Jan 31, 2014
Billy Clubber wrote:
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But they DO have factual data to prove it. In fact it is its own scientific branch called Paleoclimatology. It is the same data that basically anyone with the willingness to do it can go collect. Its what those thousands of people digging up ice cores counting the rings on primeval tree stumps, chipping through layers of sediment, contribute to. It is far from guess work. Its a collaboration and sharing of data from a variety of fields like geology, astrology, anthropology, biology, etc. that constantly is refined to help clarify the picture. However the broad picture is already very clear.
Here, this is basically our climates history.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
Where's the rest of it?:)

You have the last ice age, then global warming through the "medieval warm period" and then a little ice age from the sixteenth to nineteenth CENTURIES, and it has been getting hotter and hotter ever since?

It shows no sign of cooling down?...Some of these periods lasted hundreds or thousands of years and there is no sign of this period "slowing down"...How long do you "reckon" modern scientist guess it will slow down, because basically it still reeks of an educated guess, to me anyway.

Where is the man made factors of warming to begin with after the last great ice age and the little ice age?.....There are many causes of global warming is there not?....albeit man may be contributing , but where was the fossil fuels during the last couple of warm ups?

Just asking:)

PLUS..A couple of these posters have a point...This GLOBAL warming thing is a HUGE money maker for anyone who wants to jump on the bandwagon.

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