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#1 Jan 28, 2013
"Bipartisan Framework for Comprehensive Immigration Reform": "Four Basic Legislative Pillars:
[1] Create a tough but fair path to citizenship for unauthorized immigrants currently living in the United States that is contingent upon securing our borders and tracking whether legal immigrants have left the country when required ... Our legislation will require the completion of an entry-exit system that tracks whether all persons entering ... on temporary visas via airports and seaports have left the country as required ... Once the enforcement measures have been completed, individuals with probationary legal status will be required to go to the back of the line of prospective immigrants, pass an additional background check, pay taxes, learn English and civics, demonstrate a history of work in the United States, and current employment, among other requirements, in order to earn the opportunity to apply for lawful permanent residency. Those individuals who successfully complete these requirements can eventually earn a green card.
"Individuals who are present without lawful status -- not including people within the two categories identified below -- will only receive a green card after every individual who is already waiting in line for a green card, at the time this legislation is enacted, has received their green card. Our purpose is to ensure that no one who has violated America's immigration laws will receive preferential treatment as they relate to those individuals who have complied ...
"[I]ndividuals who entered the United States as minor children ... will not face the same requirements as other individuals in order to earn a path to citizenship. Similarly, individuals who have been working without legal status in the United States agricultural industry ... will earn a path to citizenship through a different process under our new agricultural worker program.
[2] Reform our legal immigration system to better recognize the importance of characteristics that will help build the American economy and strengthen American families;
[3] Create an effective employment verification system that will prevent identity theft and end the hiring of future unauthorized workers; and,[4] Establish an improved process for admitting future workers to serve our nation's workforce needs, while simultaneously protecting all workers."

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Just Me

Kermit, WV

#2 Jan 28, 2013
Send their illegal trashy asses back where they came from and we wouldn't have a problem.
capitalist pig

Lubbock, TX

#3 Jan 28, 2013
Lesson Learned wrote:
"Bipartisan Framework for Comprehensive Immigration Reform": "Four Basic Legislative Pillars:
[1] Create a tough but fair path to citizenship for unauthorized immigrants currently living in the United States that is contingent upon securing our borders and tracking whether legal immigrants have left the country when required ... Our legislation will require the completion of an entry-exit system that tracks whether all persons entering ... on temporary visas via airports and seaports have left the country as required ... Once the enforcement measures have been completed, individuals with probationary legal status will be required to go to the back of the line of prospective immigrants, pass an additional background check, pay taxes, learn English and civics, demonstrate a history of work in the United States, and current employment, among other requirements, in order to earn the opportunity to apply for lawful permanent residency. Those individuals who successfully complete these requirements can eventually earn a green card.
"Individuals who are present without lawful status -- not including people within the two categories identified below -- will only receive a green card after every individual who is already waiting in line for a green card, at the time this legislation is enacted, has received their green card. Our purpose is to ensure that no one who has violated America's immigration laws will receive preferential treatment as they relate to those individuals who have complied ...
"[I]ndividuals who entered the United States as minor children ... will not face the same requirements as other individuals in order to earn a path to citizenship. Similarly, individuals who have been working without legal status in the United States agricultural industry ... will earn a path to citizenship through a different process under our new agricultural worker program.
[2] Reform our legal immigration system to better recognize the importance of characteristics that will help build the American economy and strengthen American families;
[3] Create an effective employment verification system that will prevent identity theft and end the hiring of future unauthorized workers; and,[4] Establish an improved process for admitting future workers to serve our nation's workforce needs, while simultaneously protecting all workers."
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This legislation shows just how corrupt the democrat and republican parties really are. This simple framework could have been put together a long time ago, but both parties wanted it as a tool. We have allowed over 12 million people to enter our country illegally for various and sundry reasons. Any fool knows that you cant deport them all. It will be interesting to see who tips over the apple cart to stop the legislation. I would just like to see them put together a policy based on what is best for the cournty, not what is best for one ethnic group or one political party. There has to be some limit on when and how much government assistance immigrants can get. We certainly cant afford to increase the welfare rolls. But there are many high tech jobs going unfilled due to immigration restrictions.

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#4 Jan 28, 2013
John McCain and Ted Kennedy tried to get immigration policy changed in 2007 but couldn't because of rightwing pressure. After the 2012 election I guess the rightwing has seen the handwriting on the wall and they're now anxious to get reform passed. I hear that the state of Texas could be lost to the rightwing in the next election. Awww.....

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#5 Jan 28, 2013
capitalist pig wrote:
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This legislation shows just how corrupt the democrat and republican parties really are. This simple framework could have been put together a long time ago, but both parties wanted it as a tool. We have allowed over 12 million people to enter our country illegally for various and sundry reasons. Any fool knows that you cant deport them all. It will be interesting to see who tips over the apple cart to stop the legislation. I would just like to see them put together a policy based on what is best for the cournty, not what is best for one ethnic group or one political party. There has to be some limit on when and how much government assistance immigrants can get. We certainly cant afford to increase the welfare rolls. But there are many high tech jobs going unfilled due to immigration restrictions.
That was the point, CP.. Yep, the Repblicans were and are being beaten to death by the Hispanic vote..They only got like 30% of the female hispanic vote, and yep, there are eleven to twelve million people running around illegally, so something had to be done.

This WAS, we all know a grab for votes, but that is the reality of politics in American today.

What little I've heard concerning this seems as reasonable as any way they can come up with to do it...This isn't blanket amnesty by any stretch of the imagination, if I heard it right...

The "benefits" they will receive is still not clear, but ILLEGALS after this is done, WON"T get any....or so they say.

Part of the package is doing something more effective at the border to keep illegals OUT...We'll see about this one.. could be more blowing sunshine up our __________

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#6 Jan 28, 2013
Sheriff Joe Arpaio knows how to deal with the illegals ... Give him the help he needs ... Problem solved!

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#7 Jan 28, 2013
We know that fewer illegals have been crossing our southern border since Obama has been president than ever before...I even heard John McCain (that epitome of a poor loser) admit that today.

The thing is, not all illegals cross our southern border...many illegals come here on a temporary visa and just stay. My late sister in law was a Canadian by birth, went to LA on vacation, met my brother and a few months later moved back to LA and was an illegal alien for many years after but eventually became a citizen and then a rightwinger who used to call up Rush Limbaugh's show to complain about liberals....lol. There's no accounting for some folks.
Just Me

Kermit, WV

#8 Jan 28, 2013
Lesson Learned wrote:
We know that fewer illegals have been crossing our southern border since Obama has been president than ever before...I even heard John McCain (that epitome of a poor loser) admit that today.
The thing is, not all illegals cross our southern border...many illegals come here on a temporary visa and just stay. My late sister in law was a Canadian by birth, went to LA on vacation, met my brother and a few months later moved back to LA and was an illegal alien for many years after but eventually became a citizen and then a rightwinger who used to call up Rush Limbaugh's show to complain about liberals....lol. There's no accounting for some folks.
I can imagine what she thought about you. We have more spanish speaking people here in the US than are left in Mexico so why shouldn't there be less people crossing the southern borders?

Obammy gave those left in Mexico enough guns that they don't have a need to cross the border at the present time.

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#9 Jan 28, 2013
Just Me wrote:
<quoted text>I can imagine what she thought about you. We have more spanish speaking people here in the US than are left in Mexico so why shouldn't there be less people crossing the southern borders?
Obammy gave those left in Mexico enough guns that they don't have a need to cross the border at the present time.
If you're speaking of my sister in law I can tell you that she loved me and I loved her....I miss her more than I can say. She made me laugh more than any other person I have ever known, and she left two lovely daughters whom I love like my own....and hey, guess what, they're both liberals. Just because two people see political issues differently doesn't mean they don't have anything in common. And it doesn't mean their children will have the same opinions...my own son is more a conservative than a liberal like me.
Just Me

Kermit, WV

#10 Jan 28, 2013
Lesson Learned wrote:
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If you're speaking of my sister in law I can tell you that she loved me and I loved her....I miss her more than I can say. She made me laugh more than any other person I have ever known, and she left two lovely daughters whom I love like my own....and hey, guess what, they're both liberals. Just because two people see political issues differently doesn't mean they don't have anything in common. And it doesn't mean their children will have the same opinions...my own son is more a conservative than a liberal like me.
From your numerous posts,I'm truly surprised you think so highly of somebody who had different opinions. I'm relieved to see you really did have a heart at one time even though that time has probably been quite some time in the past.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#11 Jan 28, 2013
Lesson Learned wrote:
John McCain and Ted Kennedy tried to get immigration policy changed in 2007 but couldn't because of rightwing pressure. After the 2012 election I guess the rightwing has seen the handwriting on the wall and they're now anxious to get reform passed. I hear that the state of Texas could be lost to the rightwing in the next election. Awww.....
Do you have any idea how damn stupid you sound? Both parties have used this as a political weapon for years. You have to be the only idiot in America that does not realize this. Kennedy and McCain did not propose anything that either of them thought could pass. Why in the hell do you have to make some stupid ass rightwing comment over everypost someone makes. Barack Obama had the white house, the sentate and the house for two full years and did nothing on imigration. Then in an election year, he illegally gave amnesty to illegal children. But anything Barry does is just fine with you.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#12 Jan 28, 2013
I dont know why that posted twice, but it is definitely worth repeating. LOL
Biget

United States

#13 Jan 28, 2013
Send them home

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#14 Jan 29, 2013
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

The next big immigration?

Here come the Chinese:)
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As IF

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#16 Jan 29, 2013
All this is BS! What happens if the illegal person doesn't pay the back taxes/fine? Will they be sent back? NO!!

In case you all didn't know it, they are all here for the money and benefits!! It's a joke that they will be forced to actually pay anything.

The fact is, the deck is stacked against American workers and is lowering wages! Our Gov't has totally screwed the American worker.

I say give work visas for all illegals that are here now, place harsh penalties for employers that hire those without visas in the future.

Make them pay taxes, insurance, licenses, fees like the rest of us have to. Stop giving them freebies!!

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#17 Jan 29, 2013
capitalist pig wrote:
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Do you have any idea how damn stupid you sound? Both parties have used this as a political weapon for years. You have to be the only idiot in America that does not realize this. Kennedy and McCain did not propose anything that either of them thought could pass. Why in the hell do you have to make some stupid ass rightwing comment over everypost someone makes. Barack Obama had the white house, the sentate and the house for two full years and did nothing on imigration. Then in an election year, he illegally gave amnesty to illegal children. But anything Barry does is just fine with you.
What did I say exactly that struck you as so "damn stupid"? It appears that if I don't write a whole history of every issue then you think that I don't know the "whole" story. I assure you that I am extremely well informed on most issues.

Of course nothing that Kennedy & McCain proposed in 2007 could have ever passed because of the rightwing attitude toward immigration over the past few years. Remember how immigration reform was trashed during the Republican debates last year? Remember how Texas governor Rick Perry was booed when he defended his support of a bill that allowed illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition in Texas if they had graduated from a Texas highschool? The Latinos didn't forget and the Republicans lost 70 percent of the Latino vote in November? The Latino population in Texas, Arizona, South Carolina and other southern states is growing every day and the Republicans see the handwriting on the wall. I think we will get some kind of reform.
capitalist pig

Lubbock, TX

#18 Jan 29, 2013
Lesson Learned wrote:
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What did I say exactly that struck you as so "damn stupid"? It appears that if I don't write a whole history of every issue then you think that I don't know the "whole" story. I assure you that I am extremely well informed on most issues.
Of course nothing that Kennedy & McCain proposed in 2007 could have ever passed because of the rightwing attitude toward immigration over the past few years. Remember how immigration reform was trashed during the Republican debates last year? Remember how Texas governor Rick Perry was booed when he defended his support of a bill that allowed illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition in Texas if they had graduated from a Texas highschool? The Latinos didn't forget and the Republicans lost 70 percent of the Latino vote in November? The Latino population in Texas, Arizona, South Carolina and other southern states is growing every day and the Republicans see the handwriting on the wall. I think we will get some kind of reform.
Both parties have stopped the immigration reform for their own political purposes. You not being able to see that is what I called stupid. Obama will do everything he can to kill this bill because if the immigration club is taken away from democrats, hispanics are a more inclined to vote republican. They are pro-life, conservative and pro-business as a whole. Of course the democrats will still get the criminals and welfare scum, but that is not the majority of hispanic votes. The American People or the republicans will not stand for pure amnesty and that is what Obama will be fighting for and he knows that is a poison pill. The democarats want amenesty becaue most of their voters cant get legal status otherwise. He had the house, senate and white house for two years and did not do one damn thing on immigration, except violate the constitution just prior to the election.
capitalist pig

Lubbock, TX

#19 Jan 29, 2013
Shootist wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07 /17/AR2010071701402.html
The next big immigration?
Here come the Chinese:)
they are already paying up to $50,000 to come here and have anchor babys. There are a hell of a lot more of them than there are hispanics.
capitalist pig

Lubbock, TX

#20 Jan 29, 2013
As IF wrote:
All this is BS! What happens if the illegal person doesn't pay the back taxes/fine? Will they be sent back? NO!!
In case you all didn't know it, they are all here for the money and benefits!! It's a joke that they will be forced to actually pay anything.
The fact is, the deck is stacked against American workers and is lowering wages! Our Gov't has totally screwed the American worker.
I say give work visas for all illegals that are here now, place harsh penalties for employers that hire those without visas in the future.
Make them pay taxes, insurance, licenses, fees like the rest of us have to. Stop giving them freebies!!
The unions seem awfully quiet on this issue. Guess since SEIU is about the most powerful union now, they see a lot of potential new members.

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#21 Jan 29, 2013
capitalist pig wrote:
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they are already paying up to $50,000 to come here and have anchor babys. There are a hell of a lot more of them than there are hispanics.
Yep..They also get around the "one baby" rule in China, PLUS the little tykes get to be American citizens, and go to college anywhere in the U.S. they wish..

I understand this hunger to be AMERICAN, but when do we take meaningful action on immigration?..
I realize we can't do anything about those BORN on American soil, since it is Constitutional right, but some actions are going to have to be enforced someway, somehow..

China is roughly the size of the United States and they have about 1.3 BILLION PEOPLE..
We have 315 MILLION....Does anyone care about overpopulation anymore?
You can't climb the highest mountain in the United States now, hang out in the deepest swamp, or get into the thickest forest and vegetation here, and stop to take a whiz without twenty people looking at you:)

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