Did Obama Cook The Books

Did Obama Cook The Books

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capitalist pig

Lubbock, TX

#1 Oct 5, 2012
After losing the debate to the point of bringing Chis Matthews to the point of hysteria, the Obama Administration releases unbelieveable employment numbers for September.

The economy only produced 116,000 jobs, yet we are to believe that 800,000 people found employment last month. How do they reconcile those numbers. That would mean that 700,000 people found non payroll jobs last month; meaning they started their own business or went to work as an independent contractor.
Now that is possible, but highly unlikely.

800,000 jobs in one month. If those numbers are in fact true, then the economy is on fire and President Obama should be re-elected in a landslide. Someone needs to tell the economists, most of whom are predicting a second recession.

I hope these numbers are true. If they are, then we are in for a great economy and I will have been proven wrong and will be willing to say so. It will mean that the American Economy can in fact overcome any obstacle and my fears of a second Obama Term are unfounded. If they have been made up, it will come out before the election and Obama will be ousted for sure. Either way, I can sleep better tonight. Thank you Mr President.

Since: May 08

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#2 Oct 5, 2012
I must admit the thought crossed my mind, somebody "cooked" something or at the very least cherry picked the figures in one form or another..

Maybe the Conservatives should adopt the new liberal strategy....Point a finger at the liberals and yell, LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE." :)
capitalist pig

Lubbock, TX

#3 Oct 5, 2012
Even if you are an Obama supporter, you would have to admit that these numbers are staggering.
American

Lubbock, TX

#4 Oct 5, 2012
Of course Obama is cooking the books. Even the knuckleheads on MSNBC were scratching their heads this morning say "these numbers just don't add up", of course they don't. It proves that no information that comes from any form of governmental agency can be trusted while he is still in office. Obama will do anything to remain in power and this is just one example of his deception that will only get worst the more it appears he may lose. He is the master of all lies, but that doesn't surprise me, he is inspired by the father of all lies.
Big1

Beckley, WV

#5 Oct 5, 2012
You guys just can't take good news. Can you? Are you guys glad the rate is down or were- are you rooting for the US to fail just to help Willard aka Thurston Howell?
American

Lubbock, TX

#6 Oct 5, 2012
Big1 wrote:
You guys just can't take good news. Can you? Are you guys glad the rate is down or were- are you rooting for the US to fail just to help Willard aka Thurston Howell?
If the numbers were real we would be glad but Obama's crap sandwich he's been trying to sell for almost four years is just that, a bunch of crap. You continue to believe what you want to but statistical numbers always have to be backed up with facts and proof, something of a foreign concept to liberals.
American

Lubbock, TX

#7 Oct 5, 2012
Big1 wrote:
You guys just can't take good news. Can you? Are you guys glad the rate is down or were- are you rooting for the US to fail just to help Willard aka Thurston Howell?
You must be one that just got that monthly check in the mail, Obama money.
Big1

Beckley, WV

#8 Oct 5, 2012
No, I recieved MY SS and MY UMWA pension almost 30 years union time not counting time as a foreman. Not counting other jobs I had over the years. I paid into everything I get. No free ride for me. So you are as wrong as Willard. How about you did you recieve your SSI check yet? I'm one of the 47% Willard aka Thurston Howell hates and calls a wanna be victim and a free loader. He turned a close lose into a margin like 4 years ago. He now says he was wrong, but the cat is out of the bag. I'm not a fat lady. I am a fat man and I am starting to warm up my vocal cords. NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH HEY HEY HEY GOOD BY.
capitalist pig

Lubbock, TX

#9 Oct 5, 2012
Big1 wrote:
You guys just can't take good news. Can you? Are you guys glad the rate is down or were- are you rooting for the US to fail just to help Willard aka Thurston Howell?
Thats Bullshit and you know it. No one wants the country to fail just so Romney can be elected. You explain the numbers.
It supposedly takes 125,000 jobs per month just to keep up with new people entering the job market. the economy only created 116,000 jobs for the month. That is 9,000 short of just staying even, but the unemployment rate fell to 7.8%. 800,000 people found jobs when only 116,000 were created. that means 700,000 people either started their own business or went to work as privated contractors in one month. In the middle of a slow economy, we suddenly have the largest jobs growth for one month in 30 years. Even MSNBC was questioning the mumbers this morning and I know they are not rooting for Mitt. You are a smart guy, you know those numbers just dont add up. Like I said in the first post, if these numbers are true, then the economy is on fire and we have nothing to worry about whoever gets elected.
When you take the unemployed, the part time employed who want full time and those who have quit looking for work, the real unemployment number is close to 15%.
American

Beckley, WV

#10 Oct 5, 2012
I am sincerely glad to hear that you are not one of the individuals trying to freeload off of the rest of us. Now if you can please explain why you would want to vote for a man that is doing everything he can to turn this country into a serf state I would appreciate it.
Big1

Beckley, WV

#11 Oct 5, 2012
capitalist pig wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats Bullshit and you know it. No one wants the country to fail just so Romney can be elected. You explain the numbers.
It supposedly takes 125,000 jobs per month just to keep up with new people entering the job market. the economy only created 116,000 jobs for the month. That is 9,000 short of just staying even, but the unemployment rate fell to 7.8%. 800,000 people found jobs when only 116,000 were created. that means 700,000 people either started their own business or went to work as privated contractors in one month. In the middle of a slow economy, we suddenly have the largest jobs growth for one month in 30 years. Even MSNBC was questioning the mumbers this morning and I know they are not rooting for Mitt. You are a smart guy, you know those numbers just dont add up. Like I said in the first post, if these numbers are true, then the economy is on fire and we have nothing to worry about whoever gets elected.
When you take the unemployed, the part time employed who want full time and those who have quit looking for work, the real unemployment number is close to 15%.
They sandbagged the numbers from July and Aug. and added them to Sept. to make it look like they jumped all in one mo. If you watched the news this morning they said they had increased the job numbers for those 2 mo. This jump didn't happen last mo it was over the last 3. I also saw that 405k new jobs were created in those 3 mo. Nothing crooked just some "delayed math" and a good political move. If he had shown up at the debate this week the election would be over as of today.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#12 Oct 5, 2012
Big1 wrote:
<quoted text> They sandbagged the numbers from July and Aug. and added them to Sept. to make it look like they jumped all in one mo. If you watched the news this morning they said they had increased the job numbers for those 2 mo. This jump didn't happen last mo it was over the last 3. I also saw that 405k new jobs were created in those 3 mo. Nothing crooked just some "delayed math" and a good political move. If he had shown up at the debate this week the election would be over as of today.
So lying is good political strategy? At least you are willing to admit that Obama is a blatant liar. I have done a little additional research and according to most experts you can fudge these numbers. But according to the same experts, you dont have to cook them. This survey has a margin of error of 400,000 + or -
So with the numbers held back from two months, a third of the jobs being added were part time jobs and a margin of error of 400,000, the 7.8% rate is pretty pointless.
The real numbers are that only 116,000 jobs were added to the economy. 33% of all people looking for jobs can only get part time jobs (arent dems always the ones screaming about a living wage) and more and more people are continuing to give up looking for work.
Phoney numbers

Springfield, NJ

#13 Oct 5, 2012
Administration admitted they phoned several thousand people and asked them if they had a job then multiplied to get the 800k number. Typically part time and temporary work are not counted, but were this month.The real number usually correlated with the unemployment number is the labor participation number which is lower. This was not done. This administration will require more special prosecutors before it is over, or shortly after, than any in history.
lesson to learn

Beckley, WV

#14 Oct 5, 2012
Where is Lesson Learned. She is always defending Obama. She must have hid after the debate.
i think

Springfield, NJ

#15 Oct 5, 2012
There are 8 million less people in the labor force now...America has a 60% labor participation rate...lowest since WW11
LIBERALTILDEATH

Beckley, WV

#16 Oct 5, 2012
capitalist pig wrote:
After losing the debate to the point of bringing Chis Matthews to the point of hysteria, the Obama Administration releases unbelieveable employment numbers for September.
The economy only produced 116,000 jobs, yet we are to believe that 800,000 people found employment last month. How do they reconcile those numbers. That would mean that 700,000 people found non payroll jobs last month; meaning they started their own business or went to work as an independent contractor.
Now that is possible, but highly unlikely.
800,000 jobs in one month. If those numbers are in fact true, then the economy is on fire and President Obama should be re-elected in a landslide. Someone needs to tell the economists, most of whom are predicting a second recession.
I hope these numbers are true. If they are, then we are in for a great economy and I will have been proven wrong and will be willing to say so. It will mean that the American Economy can in fact overcome any obstacle and my fears of a second Obama Term are unfounded. If they have been made up, it will come out before the election and Obama will be ousted for sure. Either way, I can sleep better tonight. Thank you Mr President.
Do you republicans EVER tire of conspiracy crap? Do you all look under the bed before turning in for the night? Why are you always looking for a boogyman? Didnt hear any whining when the numbers went up.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#17 Oct 5, 2012
LIBERALTILDEATH wrote:
<quoted text>Do you republicans EVER tire of conspiracy crap? Do you all look under the bed before turning in for the night? Why are you always looking for a boogyman? Didnt hear any whining when the numbers went up.
wondered where you have been? you know that I am not a Republican. I dont like either political party. If you read the other posts that I had, I have already stated that the experts say that it is almost impossible to cook the books. I was just looking for an explaination of how 116,000 jobs can put 800,000 people back to work. More digging found the answer. the poll has a margin of error of 400,000 jobs, Obama sandbagged jobs from last two months and part time and temporary jobs were counted in the figures. I also said that I hoped the figures were true because it would mean that the economy was on fire and we would all be better off. But you know and I know that the figures are misleading, there is no way that this economy produced the most jobs in one month in 30 years.

Since: Aug 12

Beckley, WV

#18 Oct 5, 2012
I believe it is because the available Jobs are down and so the new numbers reflect this . another words ....... more marketable (counting numbers) Jobs (companies that can hire folks) were down . Let's say before this report there were 100 "XYZ Company's " now there were only, 50 XYZ Company's "and so within this estimate the Job numbers rose because there were less Companies able to hire but it seems as if all is well ......because these Companies were able to hire more, within this margin of those counted. like 50% less.(Give or take)
LIBERALTILDEATH

Beckley, WV

#19 Oct 6, 2012
Untreated paranoid schizophrenia is alive and well as long as the republican party is alive. CP this is a time of year where Im either at work or in the woods hunting. I have already harvested an 8 pt -two more tags to fill then Ill join you for some political battle.
LIBERALTILDEATH

Oak Hill, WV

#20 Oct 6, 2012
Untreated paranoid schizophrenia is alive and well as long as the Democrat party is alive. CP this is a time of year where Im either at home waiting for a welfare check or in the woods hunting. I have already harvested an 8 pt -two more tags to fill then Ill join you for some political battle.

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