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Ambulance Collides With Tractor-Trailer While Responding To Crash; EMT Killed

There are 248 comments on the WCHS-TV Charleston story from Jan 15, 2013, titled Ambulance Collides With Tractor-Trailer While Responding To Crash; EMT Killed. In it, WCHS-TV Charleston reports that:

Bethany Simmons Web Producer: Bethany Simmons Reported: Jan. 15, 2013 9:20 AM EST Updated: Jan.

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Beckley, WV

#87 Jan 23, 2013
Postulate wrote:
Insider, I've come to the realization that your just a smart ass and could care less about anyone thats BENEATH YOU ,especially an employee! Thanks for showing the audience what a union is needed for.
I could bring up a union run by the vatican and you would find an issue with the leaders, so just state your issue's as,(I hate unions) and any union you mention will be tainted! So far, not ONE thing you've mentioned about unions has been correct, NOT one! FACT, union shops have secure wages and benefit's and non-union shops DON'T! The contract is the most important thing you get from a union. Like an insurance policy, your covered..right now, no one is covered or guaranteed anything.
Exactly what has insider posted that isn't true? At least insider is able to back up his claims with links and data. All you are offering to your readers are accusations of lies, yet you can't give one example of your claims. Perhaps it's not that insider is lying to the readers, it's that he is offering a better explanation of NEMSA's motives. I find it comical that you condemn insider for being against any union, while you take no issue with blindly trusting any union that comes to camp. Anyone who researches NEMSA will find that they are a group of thugs that force themselves into companies (often illegally) under the guise of being a legitimate union. Their founder has been convicted of fraud, members routinely express dissatisfaction with how they are represented. In fact 500 workers in Portland singed a petition to oust the union after they walked away from negotiations, but not before NEMSA took a year's worth of membership dues with them. NEMSA has been the subject of many ULP charges. Many of these charges were filed against NEMSA by its own members . Most of the ULP’s filed against NEMSA are from members accusing the union of mis-handling or refusing to prosecute grievances. However, in at least two cases (1-CB-10783 and 1-CB-10780) NEMSA was accused of making “threats to employees if they crossed the picket line and worked during an impending strike." You may not have agreed with everything that insider has said but his claims against NEMSA are not false. To support an organization that is so inherently corrupt would ultimately discredit legitimate unions
redbone

Beckley, WV

#88 Jan 23, 2013
For starters, he said that NEMSA was NOT affiliated with SEIU or NAGE, and they are! I could go on and on about his worthless posts, but, I think the smart ones on here get the message.

http://www.nemsausa.org/home_about_list.php...
redbone

Beckley, WV

#89 Jan 24, 2013
Did you know wrote:
A review of labor statistics shows that of the 20 representation elections won by NEMSA, 3 contracts are still in negotiations and only 14 contracts have been signed in total (the other three are listed as “failed” negotiations). For the fourteen signed contracts, the average length of negotiations was 11 months, with a long of 23 months.
Research also shows that of the 14 contracts signed, all 14 resulted in workers receiving only the “same” as they had before the contract was signed.
There was NEVER NEVER NEVER 14 contracts signed by ANY members that gave ONLY the same thing they had before the union!! BS!!!Who would sign such a thing?? I ask you to post the proof! Post the proof or SHUT UP! I back up ALL my information with proof, lets see yours!

These lies you spread, are why EMS personnel need a union around here. A lot of unions come in because of safety and procedural problems and not JUST financial reason's! Some employers on the west coast pay their employee's well but risks their life in doing so. Union's fix safety issue's too.
The second you sign a contract,you have a guarantee in writing that these rules will be legally followed by both sides or an unfair labor practice can be filed by either side to enforce the contract. Wages,benefits etc... are in writing and MUST go as written unless otherwise negotiated by the union members and management. A contract is the strongest tool that members receive from a union. All this NON-union fog your pushing is telling me you think that the EMS personnel around here are stupid and can't think for themselves! Obviously your in management or guided by management. Unions give employee's respect, something that the EMS crews around here obviously need!
The Insider

Beckley, WV

#90 Jan 24, 2013
redbone wrote:
For starters, he said that NEMSA was NOT affiliated with SEIU or NAGE, and they are! I could go on and on about his worthless posts, but, I think the smart ones on here get the message.
http://www.nemsausa.org/home_about_list.php...
You put a link to the NEMSA homepage trying to convince us that NEMSA is affiliated with SEIU and NAGE? Did it ever occur to you that NEMSA can CLAIM anything they want on their homepage. That's the sort of thing conspiracy theory websites and Nazi Germany apologists do. For example:

The 9/11 Truthers movement is affiliated with the International Brotherhood of Conspiracy Theorists.
For proof of this affiliation, see the 9/11 Truther website.(Never mind that the International Brotherhood of Conspiracy Theorists may consider the 9/11 Truthers a radical offshoot of their own organization, and cringes at all public discourse that mentions them with the 9/11 Truthers).

Replace "9/11 Truthers" with NEMSA, and the "International Brotherhood of Conspiracy Theorists' with SEIU and NAGE, and there you go: You (well, maybe not you, but most people) can see the logical fallacy here.

Why don't you put a link to SEIU's webpage that AFFIRMS this alleged warm, fuzzy, passionate Best-Friends-Forever-And-Ever relationship between it and NEMSA? Politically, SEIU and NAGE may will probably both need to say that there is no bad blood between them and NEMSA. However, at least in the case of SEIU, there are thousands of pages of court documents that say otherwise.

Oh, and redbone, you've kinda had a free pass here the past 36 hours or so: but don't worry, I've just been busy. You'll hear from me again very soon. In the meantime, keep it coming with those posts (under whatever name you choose next), I'll enjoy tearing them all down, piece by piece, as soon as I can. TTYL
Major Pain

Kinston, NC

#91 Jan 24, 2013
Azathoth wrote:
And to you, The Insider, you should read about how the CEO of Hostess bumped up the pay for himself and all his top employees by about 300%, while refusing to pay into the retirement fund, or benefits, etc. for his employees. It's a perfect example of the kind of greed you're wanting to protect causing a company to shut down.
A union will never put a company out of business. A greedy CEO willing to pay himself an extra 300% raise every year, at the cost of his employees livelihood, will. Clearly you didn't read anything that actually happened with Hostess. They made less than any snack company on EARTH, had less benefits, etc. and their CEO was still paying himself more and more. You're uninformed, and every statement you make proves it.
Azathoth, Do you still work here at Jan Care any? I thought you took that job across town. Havent seen you in awhile. Peace
redbone

Beckley, WV

#92 Jan 24, 2013
The Insider wrote:
<quoted text>
You put a link to the NEMSA homepage trying to convince us that NEMSA is affiliated with SEIU and NAGE? Did it ever occur to you that NEMSA can CLAIM anything they want on their homepage. That's the sort of thing conspiracy theory websites and Nazi Germany apologists do. For example:
The 9/11 Truthers movement is affiliated with the International Brotherhood of Conspiracy Theorists.
For proof of this affiliation, see the 9/11 Truther website.(Never mind that the International Brotherhood of Conspiracy Theorists may consider the 9/11 Truthers a radical offshoot of their own organization, and cringes at all public discourse that mentions them with the 9/11 Truthers).
Replace "9/11 Truthers" with NEMSA, and the "International Brotherhood of Conspiracy Theorists' with SEIU and NAGE, and there you go: You (well, maybe not you, but most people) can see the logical fallacy here.
Why don't you put a link to SEIU's webpage that AFFIRMS this alleged warm, fuzzy, passionate Best-Friends-Forever-And-Ever relationship between it and NEMSA? Politically, SEIU and NAGE may will probably both need to say that there is no bad blood between them and NEMSA. However, at least in the case of SEIU, there are thousands of pages of court documents that say otherwise.
Oh, and redbone, you've kinda had a free pass here the past 36 hours or so: but don't worry, I've just been busy. You'll hear from me again very soon. In the meantime, keep it coming with those posts (under whatever name you choose next), I'll enjoy tearing them all down, piece by piece, as soon as I can. TTYL
You have a nice day :)
Like talking to a child

Beckley, WV

#93 Jan 24, 2013
redbone wrote:
For starters, he said that NEMSA was NOT affiliated with SEIU or NAGE, and they are! I could go on and on about his worthless posts, but, I think the smart ones on here get the message.
http://www.nemsausa.org/home_about_list.php...
Just because its on nemsa's website doesn't make it true. We have already said that nemsa is trying to sound affiliated with SEIU in order to come across more legitimate. Get me a statement from the SEIU!
Jan-care worker

Smithfield, VA

#94 Jan 24, 2013
I have worked at the place for some years now.I enjoy my work.And fell good for what I do.And study hard to improve the quality of care I can give To the people of my community.When all is said and done,Its not the job that I do.It's who I work for.When someone ask me what I do,And i get that smile.It makes me feel good.But then they ask where I work,And they say"Ohhh". With that straight face. It's like they feel sorry for me!The worst part of this,Is that their actions are fairly so.As I struggle to pay the bill's with the $7.50 Hr.that I get,As an EMT.I really question my efforts.I was watching a show on sweat shops,That are in other country's.And it really hit home.I am going to vote yes when it comes time.Things in no way, That I can think of could possibly be worse than what exist now.
Ems workers hate NEMSA

Beckley, WV

#95 Jan 24, 2013
Ems workers hate NEMSA

Beckley, WV

#96 Jan 24, 2013
They also made a YouTube video about it.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...
redbone

Beckley, WV

#97 Jan 24, 2013
Here's your proof with signature's from Dave Holloway and Torren Colcord.

http://www.uemswcoco.org/NAGE-NEMSA-servicing...
redbone

Beckley, WV

#98 Jan 24, 2013
Ems workers hate NEMSA wrote:
http://www.takebackouremsunion 2.org/index.shtml
You know this was in 2006 right? since then, they merged ; )

http://www.uemswcoco.org/NAGE-NEMSA-servicing...
redbone

Beckley, WV

#99 Jan 24, 2013
Ems workers hate NEMSA wrote:
They also made a YouTube video about it.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...
Many years ago!!!!!!!!!!

They are all one happy team and Torren is NOT the President anymore, he lost the election and is now a field organizer for NEMSA as of Jan, 2013. Nemsa is stronger and better equipped with 2.5mil. members strong.

http://www.uemswcoco.org/NAGE-NEMSA-servicing...
redbone

Beckley, WV

#100 Jan 24, 2013
Like talking to a child wrote:
<quoted text>
Just because its on nemsa's website doesn't make it true. We have already said that nemsa is trying to sound affiliated with SEIU in order to come across more legitimate. Get me a statement from the SEIU!
http://www.uemswcoco.org/NAGE-NEMSA-servicing...
redbone

Beckley, WV

#101 Jan 24, 2013
Jan-care worker wrote:
I have worked at the place for some years now.I enjoy my work.And fell good for what I do.And study hard to improve the quality of care I can give To the people of my community.When all is said and done,Its not the job that I do.It's who I work for.When someone ask me what I do,And i get that smile.It makes me feel good.But then they ask where I work,And they say"Ohhh". With that straight face. It's like they feel sorry for me!The worst part of this,Is that their actions are fairly so.As I struggle to pay the bill's with the $7.50 Hr.that I get,As an EMT.I really question my efforts.I was watching a show on sweat shops,That are in other country's.And it really hit home.I am going to vote yes when it comes time.Things in no way, That I can think of could possibly be worse than what exist now.
Your not alone, You feel the stress that EMS loads on its provider's and you get "Welfare" wages and benefit's for making your boss very very rich! Nothing wrong with being wealthy; but at the sacrifice of your employee's?..NO! Spread the word to your co-worker's about the truth that I have shared here "I have posted fact's and proof of how the union can help your situation. Get as many as possible to sign the union interest cards; you'all only need 30% to take it to a vote, but as many as possible is best. After the initial interest vote is done and you collected at least 30% of the interest cards, the NLRB will then take over and run the vote that is needed to bring in the union; this vote will require 51% Only the NLRB and each person who signed a card and the card collector will know who signed the interest cards. No stress, just a need for better working conditions and the heart to care enough about your job and your patient's care to get it done! Thanks you for sharing your situation.
The Insider

Beckley, WV

#102 Jan 24, 2013
redbone wrote:
<quoted text>
Many years ago!!!!!!!!!!
They are all one happy team and Torren is NOT the President anymore, he lost the election and is now a field organizer for NEMSA as of Jan, 2013. Nemsa is stronger and better equipped with 2.5mil. members strong.
http://www.uemswcoco.org/NAGE-NEMSA-servicing...
Oh, yes! One great big happy family meeting for Christmas dinner! The only problem is, NEMSA is the drunken, mildly psychotic, outcast uncle who shows up unannounced and makes inappropriate comments about his nephews' wives before finally passing out next to the kids' table.

To claim that NEMSA is 2.5 million members strong borders on psychotic, itself. As I pointed out in one of my other posts tonight, NEMSA has a "local" contract with NAGE, which is SEIU Local 5000, but it is not a PART of NAGE or SEIU. The contract, in fact, reads more like a peace treaty than a working agreement. You can read it by clicking on one of redbone's posts.

Clearly, this is yet another attempt by redbone to link NEMSA with more respected unions. Redbone, maybe if you close your eyes really tight, click your heels three times, and say "NEMSA is a REAL union," maybe, just maybe, it will come true.

The rest of us will be waiting patiently...
The Insider

Beckley, WV

#103 Jan 24, 2013
I posted this on the other forum, as well, but many people on this forum may not see it. This is a repost.
Let's just take a look at this fantastic agreement redbone keeps bringing up!
It can be found here:
http://www.uemswcoco.org/NAGE-NEMSA-servicing...
We're gonna take this very slowly so that there will be no misunderstanding. I encourage everyone who's reading this to open the document in a new tab and follow along. As you can see, the agreement contains nine (9) provisions.
1. This provision states that NAGE will provide all clerical resources, including membership tracking, dues collection, and records keeping. NEMSA apparently can't be bothered with the day-to-day problems of operations. Why, you ask? Either NEMSA can't keep its own records or collect its own dues (in which case, why would you want them to represent you), or NEMSA is content with outsourcing a major component of ANY legitimate organization (in which case, they may outsource negotiations and grievance hearings, too-see below, no. 2).
2. In fact, they DO outsource negotiations. They have to. This provision states that NAGE will provide all labor representation, including negotiators, lawyers, shop stewards, etc. for NEMSA's use. NEMSA, apparently, can't even represent THEMSELVES, let alone any group of workers. This virtually strips NEMSA of any power whatsoever. Of course, NEMSA board members realized this, so...
3. This provision says that NEMSA, although it's using NAGE's legal and labor resources, still gets to call itself "NEMSA" and claim credit for all its victories.(It also conveniently provides a scapegoat for all its failures.) In short, it gets to call itself a REAL union, just like Pinnochio was a REAL boy.
4. This provision states that NAGE agrees to use NEMSA's legal counsel (to the tune of $24,000 a month) during the "transition period" of three months. I'm sure you can imagine the Talbot Law Group arguing forcefully for the inclusion of this provision into the contract.
5. As if it weren't enough that NAGE is supplying lawyers, negotiators, and clerical staff, this provision stipulates that NAGE will pay $5,000.00 a month to sublet office space in Modesto, CA for the sole purpose of having a place to put all the workers they send out there to help NEMSA! Incredible, huh? But, you may ask, why would NAGE agree to these outrageous conditions?! Well, two reasons...
6. First, this provision says that NEMSA must share all of its information about its members, stewards, officers, and activists (addresses, telephone numbers, etc.) This helps inflate their membership rosters, btw. And...
7. Second, NEMSA agrees to pay 85% of all its dues to NAGE. That means more income for NAGE-and less people on the payroll for NEMSA. I wonder what happens to the other 15%? I'm sure it doesn't go to NEMSA's board of directors in the form of hefty salaries! Why, that would be just too, too ..."Capitalist"!!!
8. This provision just says that any disagreements between NEMSA and NAGE must be submitted for arbitration. Honestly, though, NEMSA has nothing invested so I can't see why they would ever disagree about anything. Finally...
8. Yes, there are two no. 8s in this binding legal document. This provision just says that both parties have to agree to end the agreement.
There you have it! NEMSA gets to claim they represent workers and in exchange they give 85% of their dues to the actual representative organization NAGE.
Thanks, redbone. This document helped tremendously. Why wouldn't anyone want to join up with this group?
redbone

Beckley, WV

#104 Jan 25, 2013
Insider, the EMS people reading your FOG are insulted by your assumptions of their stupidity! EMS around here is tired of poor safety procedures and greed driven accidents!
Bottom line,with NEMSA, you get 3 powerful unions in one (millions strong) and it's a smart set-up to insure your right's are governed properly and safely.

Insider,You can post what you want, but the facts speak for themselves.

People, go UNION and don't let another tragedy happen again because of greed and calls taking priority over safety. With a unions help, you will make safety number one and MEAN it!
latebloomer

Beckley, WV

#105 Jan 25, 2013
Redbone, if no one tells you thanks id like to. You have given us more information on how a union works than anyone else. Ems needs help around here and it is obvioulsy a life or death situation. Once again---thank you and keep up the good work. I'll vote for the union when its time.
The Insider

Beckley, WV

#106 Jan 25, 2013
redbone wrote:
Insider, the EMS people reading your FOG are insulted by your assumptions of their stupidity! EMS around here is tired of poor safety procedures and greed driven accidents!
Bottom line,with NEMSA, you get 3 powerful unions in one (millions strong) and it's a smart set-up to insure your right's are governed properly and safely.
Insider,You can post what you want, but the facts speak for themselves.
People, go UNION and don't let another tragedy happen again because of greed and calls taking priority over safety. With a unions help, you will make safety number one and MEAN it!
Redbone
Your fallback position on every single topic has been that I believe EMS workers are stupid. Let me make one thing absolutely clear to you, since apparently you are unable or unwilling to see the truth: I DO NOT believe EMS personnel are in any way "stupid." I think any rational individual who reads my posts will see that. However, I do believe that EMS personnel work long hours and they often don't have the time nor the energy to fact-check everything you and your supporters post about the alleged benefits of NEMSA and unionization.

You and the union talk a big game and, as I've noted before, you tend to hide behind the promises of "higher wages," "more benefits," "better patient care," and a host of other unverifiable talking points that SOUND just wonderful.

However, I have tried to show that despite all its PR efforts, NEMSA only REALLY cares about two things, both of them closely related: increasing its membership roster and collecting more dues. That's it. They will use whatever means necessary to get what they want. I don't believe people like that have a place in ANY EMS organization-let alone a private ambulance company in southern WV that provides a vital service to the entire region.

redbone, I find it difficult to believe that you can't see what's really going on here. You're either blinded by your political beliefs and are intent on defending the virtue of this organization in spite of the overwhelming evidence of its corruption; or, you're complicit in it. In either case, you have shown the people of this company exactly why a union is NOT needed.

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