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Ambulance Collides With Tractor-Trailer While Responding To Crash; EMT Killed

There are 248 comments on the WCHS-TV Charleston story from Jan 15, 2013, titled Ambulance Collides With Tractor-Trailer While Responding To Crash; EMT Killed. In it, WCHS-TV Charleston reports that:

Bethany Simmons Web Producer: Bethany Simmons Reported: Jan. 15, 2013 9:20 AM EST Updated: Jan.

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Really

Beckley, WV

#67 Jan 21, 2013
Azathoth wrote:
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I didn't say they'd make it into law, but when the union negotiates a contract with your employer, I imagine that would be one of the first thing they'd address. As with the 40 hour work week, and mandatory holiday overtime, etc. it all started with a few well-placed negotiations in contracts with Unions, then the rest of the workforce saw the benefits of it, and pushed lawmakers to force employers to comply. I can *absolutely* guarantee you that your working conditions aren't going to get better by doing nothing. If you're perfectly happy with the way things are now, fine, but good luck explaining to the family of the next person that dies how you were happy, and willing to accept the occasional death as just collateral damage, because your $30/month is more important than their lives.
You might have to give up $30/month in Union dues, but if $30 a month would break your budget, you have FAR more to gain from a Union than you could lose. Frankly, either you're arrogant enough to believe that someone's life is worth less than $30, or too stupid to realize that a unionized workforce (according to EVERY statistic) makes considerably more money, and gets better benefits, than a non-union workforce. It's not a guarantee, but history, and virtually every other major companies pay records, don't lie.
First, you seem to be under the impression that jancare caused this accident through some kind of negligence. That Is simply not the case. Every year, 40,000 people die in car crashes. Traveling on dangerous roads and interstates is an unavoidable risk that EMS personnel take everyday. The crew was chosen for this trip because they had seven hours of downtime. This accident was tragic and Mark will be deeply missed. The cause of the crash has not been determined. You seem to think it was due to fatigue which the surviving medic said was not the case. Do not use Mark's death to push your own political agenda. It's disgusting an insult to his memory.
It's blatantly clear to me that you have no involvement EMS. If you did, you would know that a 9-to-5 schedule is not feasible. You may be used to a desk job that will let you clock out at a specific time. But there is no magical force keeping medics from being toned three minutes before they are due off. But what are they supposed to do? Not respond to a man having a heart attack or child not breathing? EMS workers must be ready to respond at any time, and they do so selflessly, because they are true heroes. And as for hours, 24 hr shifts are the norm for ems and firefighters across the country. Both union and non-union. Jancare offers shifts on day trucks that are closer to a 9-5 schedule.
It is true that unions have helped some employees gain better benefits and wages by negotiating with unreasonable management. However, jancare's management is NOT unreasonable. They actively work to provide better working conditions and benefits to their employees. They encourage their workers to report issues and even provide a way to do so annonomously. They have an open door policy and Todd has never denied a meeting to any employee who has concerns. It would be pointless for jancare employees to pay a union to negotiate for them when the already have the power to negotiate on their own.
So, Azathoth, you should probably stop commenting on discussions that don't involve you and that you obviously know nothing about. Jancare is not in hinton. Go unionize summers county ems
immature kids

Daniels, WV

#68 Jan 21, 2013
EMS Management wrote:
The average every day citizen has no clue about EMS. Yes, we do work long hours but we are also required to have "down" time. It is a tragic situatuion that has occured and it could happen to anyone at any time. God has a plan for all of us, and his will has been done. EMT Kinder will be missed greatly but I do not think a public forum is the place to show your ignorance or disrespect...And no I don't work for JC, never have and never will. And also, to lay blame on Seamnan is completely unecessary.
People on here are just offering prayers and kind thoughts towards his family. What's the difference in talking about it on here rather than doing it on Facebook?
immature kids

Daniels, WV

#69 Jan 21, 2013
Think Again wrote:
For the "real" paramedics out there that would like to file a complaint with OSHA if you believe the ambulance companies you work for are possibly not following state safety standards this link below is for you.

§21-3A-13. Discrimination against employee filing complaint.

(a) No employer may discharge or in any manner discriminate against any employee because the employee has filed any complaint, instituted or caused to be instituted or participated in any proceedings under or related to this article, has testified or is about to testify in any such proceedings or has exercised on behalf of himself or others any right afforded by this article.

(b) Any employee who believes that he has been discharged or otherwise discriminated against by any person in violation of this section may, within thirty days after the alleged violation occurs, file a complaint with the commissioner alleging such discrimination. Upon receipt of the complaint the commissioner shall cause an investigation to be made. If after such investigation the commissioner determines that the provisions of this section have been violated, he shall bring an action in the circuit court of Kanawha County against the employer. In any such action, the court has jurisdiction, for cause shown, to restrain violations of subsection (a) of this section and to order all appropriate relief including rehiring or reinstatement of the employee to his former position with back pay plus interest at the statutory rate in this state.
It's very inappropriate to paste all of this useless info on here when people are trying to offer condolences for this man who DIED. So maybe you should stop trying to act like a know it all about paramedics when no one cares.
ignorant people

Daniels, WV

#70 Jan 21, 2013
The facts wrote:
According to the United States Department of Labor,Bureau of Labor Statistics.Ambulance EMT-Paramedic average wage is $14.77. http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes292041.htm The average dispatcher for ambulance is $17.27 http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes435031.htm .Now what we have here is a man with a monopoly on the services that a lot of locals enjoy doing.And who takes pride in their work.He has never been in a position to where he had to decide weather to pay the electric or buy food.Or any other monthly bills we pay to survive.He pays half of the average wages.So half goes to who earned it,The other half goes to his pocket.The employes who have trained,Schooled,And practiced all areas of this service to build and improve their lives and that of their families.Should be living the life of a middle class citizen.But because of Jan-Cares greed,They are left living check to check.Because he is taking half according to statistics.So if they were getting the other half of what they have earned.They could decide how much to put in the bank for that rainy day.Instead of which bill to put off,And hope they can pay it later.Yet Jan-Care says they are family oriented.As we can see its not because they are even close on wages.Trying to get medical insurance is like pulling teeth And so expensive its out of reach,Its not because you have job security.Even though the medics try their best,They are threatened with their job's at the drop of a hat.They are told,You can make as much as you want.That's to make up for half a wage that they get.So some need to,To survive.Its nothing for a worker to do 7 or 8- 24 Hr shifts in a row and even more.Now no matter how you look at it,This is not family oriented.This is taking advantage of WV people,And the community just for the reason of greed.Knowing that he is the only game in town except for a few small companies.When any person has been on duty that long its not safe for the crew,The patient,Or the community.These people get no or little family life because of this greed.This company gets paid well,Through Medicaid,Medicare,And insurance.I will bet my bottom dollar he does not get 50% taken off.Other Ambulance companies make a business being fare,And safe.Getting paid by the same resources.What we have here is a silver spoon brat,That has no respect for the ones he uses to make himself rich.And this is the reason the employees are trying to get a union vote into place.Not just for the money,But for all the rules for safety and working conditions that go along with it.So Jan-Care will talk down the union for 1 purpose only.For the greed and for the iron fist control that they so much love.Like talking about the dues that will be paid.The dues go towards controlling thugs.So what if the unions prosper while doing this.They take care of their own,Not by cold promises.But by tangible proof in paychecks,Working conditions and benefits period.If you watch the news you will learn the some union executives are in the top 1% of incomes.Good for them,They make sure their members are treated right and do live the American middle class life they work for.If it wasn't for companies that treat people in the way that Jan-Care does,I agree there would be no reason for the unions.We at Jan-Care can not live a happy and deserving life shopping at the company store.VOTE YES WHEN ITS TIME.Take back whats being stolen from you,And get the working conditions every professional deserves.
Wow you know how to copy an paste, congratulations
The Insider

Beckley, WV

#71 Jan 22, 2013
Ur stupid wrote:
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Do you really honestly thank people will believe ur last paragraph I mean get real you got best and priority that would probley love to have all of JC business and besides it is county commission responsibility to provide EMS protection to the county and with the car wreck comment if JC goes out of business do u thank that no EMS provider will respond to the call I mean wth
I don't know if they'll believe it or not. I just know they should. And if you are a unionized Jan-Care employee who's on strike, you are NOT ALLOWED to answer an emergency call. If you do, then you are CROSSING THE PICKET LINE! Unions have a term for people who do that-"scabs."

Oh, and by the way, if you do cross the line, prepare to be demonized by a few of your fellow co-workers, spit on (literally and figuratively), threatened, and (if they can get away with it) tarred and feathered. The union can also petition the employer to have you terminated. I don't "thank" (think) most Jan-Care employees want that.
JRL

Beckley, WV

#72 Jan 22, 2013
Jerry wrote:
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But that's my point. You can't say that unionizing would help these problems. NEMSA has a bad reputation for not being able to get a company to sign a contract. If they can't even get a contract what is the point of having them around?
I believe that there are a number of other union's (15 in fact) that have a great record with healthcare providers....SEIU,IAEP,teamste rs to name a few. If for some reason NEMSA can't provide a secure contract, then move on to another stronger union.
JRL

Beckley, WV

#73 Jan 22, 2013
The Insider wrote:
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I don't know if they'll believe it or not. I just know they should. And if you are a unionized Jan-Care employee who's on strike, you are NOT ALLOWED to answer an emergency call. If you do, then you are CROSSING THE PICKET LINE! Unions have a term for people who do that-"scabs."
Oh, and by the way, if you do cross the line, prepare to be demonized by a few of your fellow co-workers, spit on (literally and figuratively), threatened, and (if they can get away with it) tarred and feathered. The union can also petition the employer to have you terminated. I don't "thank" (think) most Jan-Care employees want that.
You been watching too much "HOFFA" lately :D
When strikes happen in EMS, they have notice and they pull employee's from other area's to work. Its expensive and aggravating for the employer, but the calls get taken care of. Another form of strike is to run emergencies only.. Seen this in Penn. Emergencies come first and doctors visits come second. What is the true emergency to doctor visit transport in this area? 80/20 Emergencies will get ran, but financially it will hurt the employer. At all costs, unions avoid a strike,its the last thing they want to do; its up to the employer if they want a strike or not, they can stop it at anytime.
Pete

Beckley, WV

#74 Jan 22, 2013
You are clueless wrote:
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Best ambulance has 4 working trucks that I am aware of and priority has 2. In Raleigh county alone, jancare typically has 20 trucks up a day. Do you really think that priority and best can handle that kind of call volume? That isn't even counting Fayette and Nicholas county. Not to mention Wyoming and McDowell. You should be very concerned. If jancare goes on strike there is no ambulance provider in the state that could cover.
Best has 10 ambulances btw u can check the state cis system
fresh

Beckley, WV

#75 Jan 22, 2013
The Insider wrote:
Tony
First, please explain exactly how an EMS Union improves patient care. Do the Union reps actually ride in the ambulance with you? Do they give you advice on patient care? Do they hold your hand and tell you everything's gonna be ok? I would put Jan-Care's patient care abilities up there with any other EMS organization in the country, especially unionized ones. It is already top notch-we don't need a union for that.
Secondly, if you believe that YOU need a union to improve YOUR ability to provide patient care, then maybe YOU shouldn't be an EMS provider-if, in fact, you are.
Thirdly, I would say that union dues, especially those dues paid by NON-members (that's right, you get charged the same amount members do because WV is not a "Right-to-Work" state) would have a decidedly NEGATIVE effect on company morale, especially if the majority do not want a union representing them anyway.
Workers of Jan-Care, "UNITE" in a meaningful way: Tell these elitist, outsider union agitators that EMS workers in WV WILL NOT fall for their old, tired, Marxist, class-warfare, us vs them schtick.
Montani Semper Liberi (unless, of course, you are forced to pay union dues).
Good,pay,benefits,safety and morale,all add to good patient care. Veritas Vos Liberabit! unless you are a sheep!

Level 2

Since: Nov 09

Hinton

#76 Jan 22, 2013
Really wrote:
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First, you seem to be under the impression that jancare caused this accident through some kind of negligence. That Is simply not the case. Every year, 40,000 people die in car crashes. Traveling on dangerous roads and interstates is an unavoidable risk that EMS personnel take everyday. The crew was chosen for this trip because they had seven hours of downtime. This accident was tragic and Mark will be deeply missed. The cause of the crash has not been determined. You seem to think it was due to fatigue which the surviving medic said was not the case. Do not use Mark's death to push your own political agenda. It's disgusting an insult to his memory.
It's blatantly clear to me that you have no involvement EMS. If you did, you would know that a 9-to-5 schedule is not feasible. You may be used to a desk job that will let you clock out at a specific time. But there is no magical force keeping medics from being toned three minutes before they are due off. But what are they supposed to do? Not respond to a man having a heart attack or child not breathing? EMS workers must be ready to respond at any time, and they do so selflessly, because they are true heroes. And as for hours, 24 hr shifts are the norm for ems and firefighters across the country. Both union and non-union. Jancare offers shifts on day trucks that are closer to a 9-5 schedule.
It is true that unions have helped some employees gain better benefits and wages by negotiating with unreasonable management. However, jancare's management is NOT unreasonable. They actively work to provide better working conditions and benefits to their employees. They encourage their workers to report issues and even provide a way to do so annonomously. They have an open door policy and Todd has never denied a meeting to any employee who has concerns. It would be pointless for jancare employees to pay a union to negotiate for them when the already have the power to negotiate on their own.
So, Azathoth, you should probably stop commenting on discussions that don't involve you and that you obviously know nothing about. Jancare is not in hinton. Go unionize summers county ems
Hah. If you think "You *probably* don't work for an EMS company so your opinion doesn't matter" is a valid argument, you're insane. My involvement with EMS isn't yours to question, as someone that's been on a 24 hour shift, with downtime or not, isn't a safe driver, and puts EVERYONE around them at risk. Why do you think truck drivers don't have 24 hour shifts? I'm not saying they'd get people a 9-5 job, clearly that isn't something that *could* work, but there's nothing wrong with staffing a bit more and giving people 12 hour shifts. Sure, there will still be that call at the end of a shift here and there, but it's not an extra 12 hours worth. In VA if you work more than 16 hours, your employer is responsible for that. WV, and Jancare, however have a different opinion. If you think it's fair to work someone 24 hours at a time (Even with down time, because there's no guarantee they'll actually get to use it) then you have less respect for the lives of your coworker and literally everyone on the roads than anyone I've ever spoken to.

No, a union cannot stop a company from absolutely running itself into the ground if they choose to, but they protect the interests of the worker, instead of the interests of the profits of the CEO. Hostess was circling the drain for years because of their blatant financial mis-management, and they've admitted that. The Union didn't cause them to shut down, and the only reason their employees were't making LESS than they were with it happened is because the Union did their best to protect them. Little Debbie might not be union, but their people would make more if they were. The stats don't lie, and one company doesn't change that fact.
The Insider

Beckley, WV

#77 Jan 22, 2013
JRL wrote:
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I believe that there are a number of other union's (15 in fact) that have a great record with healthcare providers....SEIU,IAEP,teamste rs to name a few. If for some reason NEMSA can't provide a secure contract, then move on to another stronger union.
Oh, I get it now!! I didn't realize it would be so easy! If NEMSA doesn't get us what we want, we'll just move on to the next one! I'm sure NEMSA will be more than happy to relinquish all of our union dues to a rival union!! Especially SEIU!! Talk about a great relationship they have!! Yes sir, no legal action forthcoming there!! THAT transition will be a model of productivity and cooperation, I have no doubt!!!
The Insider

Beckley, WV

#78 Jan 22, 2013
Pete wrote:
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Best has 10 ambulances btw u can check the state cis system
10 Ambulances?! Why didn't you say so before? That will be more than enough to cover ALL of Raleigh, Fayette, Nicholas, Wyoming, McDowell, Marion, Harrison, Monongalia, and Cabell counties! Why, you could have one ambulance in each county and STILL have ONE left over! And combine that one with Priority's two ambulances, and we are DEFINITELY covered!! I feel much safer now, Pete! Thanks!

People of Jan-Care and citizens of WV, I don't believe that most of the people defending the "union" on this forum are "bad people." However, they seem to have no clue what damage they could inadvertently cause to the region. Ceding power to Torren Colcord and his buddies on the "promise" of "fair wages" and "making that fat-cat Richard Cornett pay for his crimes" (apparently, if you are successful you must be guilty of something) may make them feel better. But, the only people it's really going to affect are Jan-Care employees and their patients, both for the worse.

The whole NEMSA organization couldn't care less for us or them. This is nothing more than a power grab by a wanna-be Jimmy Hoffa who depends on converting a small, but loud and forceful, group of people into local "enforcers" who can bully everyone else into following along with whatever plan they decide if best for THEM. I hope, for all our sakes, they don't succeed.
The Insider

Beckley, WV

#79 Jan 22, 2013
JRL wrote:
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You been watching too much "HOFFA" lately :D
When strikes happen in EMS, they have notice and they pull employee's from other area's to work. Its expensive and aggravating for the employer, but the calls get taken care of. Another form of strike is to run emergencies only.. Seen this in Penn. Emergencies come first and doctors visits come second. What is the true emergency to doctor visit transport in this area? 80/20 Emergencies will get ran, but financially it will hurt the employer. At all costs, unions avoid a strike,its the last thing they want to do; its up to the employer if they want a strike or not, they can stop it at anytime.
"...they pull employee's from other area's to work." What? "They" who? The Union? Do they import their own scabs?(Things certainly have changed since "Hoffa!) Or, do you mean the company? Oh, that's right-the employer "can stop it [the strike] at anytime." All the company has to do is bend over and take whatever the union dishes out, regardless of how it affects patient care, work relationships, profit margins (like it or not, they are necessary), public confidence, or reliability! And if those greedy corporate executives refuse, then "financially it will hurt the employer." Great idea! Decrease the company's income; that will virtually guarantee you a hefty raise.

What logic!!
The Insider

Beckley, WV

#80 Jan 22, 2013
fresh wrote:
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Good,pay,benefits,safety and morale,all add to good patient care. Veritas Vos Liberabit! unless you are a sheep!
Careful, ladies! He speaks Latin! ;) Although he argues the truth will set you free, he is still languishing in the chains of blind obedience to the outdated "Union" ideal. Here are the keys, my friend-This is a jailbreak. The getaway car's out back, all you have to do is join us.
Really

Beckley, WV

#81 Jan 22, 2013
Oh azathoth... As fun as it has been tearing apart your logic and watching you backtrack on everything you've said, I've grown tired of our banter. I'm sure there are a couple of people at NEMSA that are thrilled you've taken up their cause to screw jancare workers out if money. I am confident, however, that the employees of jancare will see through your pathetic attempt to convince them that a union will solve all their problems. It's been great though. You have demonstrated to the class how futile, if not harmful, unionizing would be. And it was 'probably' more effective than anything I could have said. Thanks again.
Postulate

Beckley, WV

#82 Jan 23, 2013
Insider, I've come to the realization that your just a smart ass and could care less about anyone thats BENEATH YOU ,especially an employee! Thanks for showing the audience what a union is needed for.

I could bring up a union run by the vatican and you would find an issue with the leaders, so just state your issue's as,(I hate unions) and any union you mention will be tainted! So far, not ONE thing you've mentioned about unions has been correct, NOT one! FACT, union shops have secure wages and benefit's and non-union shops DON'T! The contract is the most important thing you get from a union. Like an insurance policy, your covered..right now, no one is covered or guaranteed anything.
The Insider

Beckley, WV

#83 Jan 23, 2013
Postulate wrote:
Insider, I've come to the realization that your just a smart ass and could care less about anyone thats BENEATH YOU ,especially an employee! Thanks for showing the audience what a union is needed for.
I could bring up a union run by the vatican and you would find an issue with the leaders, so just state your issue's as,(I hate unions) and any union you mention will be tainted! So far, not ONE thing you've mentioned about unions has been correct, NOT one! FACT, union shops have secure wages and benefit's and non-union shops DON'T! The contract is the most important thing you get from a union. Like an insurance policy, your covered..right now, no one is covered or guaranteed anything.
Postulate
Interesting, but completely wrong on nearly all accounts. First, there is no one "beneath me" at Jan-Care. I'm an employee only and, if you can believe it, I am NOT part of management (if you can't believe it, I don't care). The only people I consider "beneath me" are those who not only believe they should have a RIGHT to come into a privately-owned company and unionize its workers, but also those who hide their greed behind the smoke and mirrors of "fair wages" and "benefits" for the employees.

Once you get past all their rhetoric about "those greedy corporate fat-cats" who "steal money from their employees," all their vague promises of "higher wages" and "better benefits," all of their "united we stand" and "we protect the little guy" dogmas, you really start to think about it. Why would a California-based union backed (as its defenders have proudly claimed) by SEIU and NAGE care about a relatively small private company in southern WV? If you truly believe its because they care so deeply for the workers of this state, then you're delusional at best and dangerous at worst.

Jan-Care is an INVESTMENT for these people! They care only about getting your money! Sure, you may get a few minor benefits written into a contract, but think about what it will cost you over the long run.
Check please

Beckley, WV

#84 Jan 23, 2013
Postulate wrote:
Insider, I've come to the realization that your just a smart ass and could care less about anyone thats BENEATH YOU ,especially an employee! Thanks for showing the audience what a union is needed for.
I could bring up a union run by the vatican and you would find an issue with the leaders, so just state your issue's as,(I hate unions) and any union you mention will be tainted! So far, not ONE thing you've mentioned about unions has been correct, NOT one! FACT, union shops have secure wages and benefit's and non-union shops DON'T! The contract is the most important thing you get from a union. Like an insurance policy, your covered..right now, no one is covered or guaranteed anything.
Exactly what has insider posted that isn't true? At least insider is able to back up his claims with links and data. All you are offering to your readers are accusations of lies, yet you can't give one example of your claims. Perhaps it's not that insider is lying to the readers, it's that he is offering a better explanation of NEMSA's motives. I find it comical that you condemn insider for being against any union, while you take no issue with blindly trusting any union that comes to camp. Anyone who researches NEMSA will find that they are a group of thugs that force themselves into companies (often illegally) under the guise of being a legitimate union. Their founder has been convicted of fraud, members routinely express dissatisfaction with how they are represented. In fact 500 workers in Portland singed a petition to oust the union after they walked away from negotiations, but not before NEMSA took a year's worth of membership dues with them. NEMSA has been the subject of many ULP charges. Many of these charges were filed against NEMSA by its own members . Most of the ULP’s filed against NEMSA are from members accusing the union of mis-handling or refusing to prosecute grievances. However, in at least two cases (1-CB-10783 and 1-CB-10780) NEMSA was accused of making “threats to employees if they crossed the picket line and worked during an impending strike." You may not have agreed with everything that insider has said but his claims against NEMSA are not false. To support an organization that is so inherently corrupt would discredit legitimate unions and make it harder for employees that actually need representation to get it. So please, before you throw your support behind NEMSA research it. And check my facts! http://fallon-knowthefacts.com/NEMSA.html
Did you know

Beckley, WV

#85 Jan 23, 2013
Fun NEMSA facts:
Members must waive all rights to sue NEMSA in court. Specifically,“members shall submit to final and binding arbitration any dispute, claim or controversy arising between them and [NEMSA].”(see Art.XIII). Even if NEMSA refuses to fairly represent a member, and even if NEMSA engages in racial discrimination or sexual harassment of a member, or worse, the member is prohibited from suing NEMSA and must, instead, submit the dispute to arbitration.(see Artl XIII, sec.1(A)).
Did you know

Beckley, WV

#86 Jan 23, 2013
A review of labor statistics shows that of the 20 representation elections won by NEMSA, 3 contracts are still in negotiations and only 14 contracts have been signed in total (the other three are listed as “failed” negotiations). For the fourteen signed contracts, the average length of negotiations was 11 months, with a long of 23 months.

Research also shows that of the 14 contracts signed, all 14 resulted in workers receiving only the “same” as they had before the contract was signed.

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