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Ambulance Collides With Tractor-Trailer While Responding To Crash; EMT Killed

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Level 2

Since: Nov 09

Hinton

#45 Jan 20, 2013
Jancare will go the same route as Walmart: Tell people over and over how the company should handle its problems on their own, and the employee can trust management to look out for their interests. It's the biggest load of crap that has ever been told.

Do yourselves, and your families, a favor: Go Union. Maybe not an out of state union, but a union all the same. "Right to work" states pay less across the board than states that attempt to support unions, and WV being the birthplace of a lot of the pro-union movements, more people will fight for a union than will fight against it. I wouldn't be surprised if the people on this thread fighting unionization are the higher ups of Jancare itself. I have no doubts they'll be telling their employees, in person, that unions are "bad for morale" or bad for the company, etc. when simple research shows you that unionized companies pay more than non-union. They might charge you $120 a month (not saying they will, I have no idea, but that's the maximum) and a $2/hr pay raise will more than make up for the Union dues and put a little more in your pocket. No one can guarantee a pay raise or better benefits, but do your own research, don't listen to the people on here. Going Union is a big step for workers, and the people with backwater ideas and small minds will do their best to convince you that it's a bad idea. HOWEVER: If you had a union, working 24 straight hours wouldn't EVER be an option, because that crap should be illegal, and in most states is. These deaths can be prevented, and to do nothing is to disrespect the memory of those that have died due to Jancare's negligence, and blatant profit-mongering.
tango

Beckley, WV

#46 Jan 20, 2013
Anti-California union wrote:
And for all of you who work at JanCare that are still on the fence, you should know that even if you don't join the union they make you pay dues. You can get fired if you don't comply. West Virginia is not a right to work state. And Nemsa can charge you up to $120 a MONTH! Oh and they don't guarantee that they'll get you a raise or better benefits. And once they're in, they are almost impossible to get rid of. If jancare gets a union, the employees will suffer, not the company
Average dues is $32.00 a month ; ) any more lies?
Anti-California union

Beckley, WV

#47 Jan 20, 2013
tango wrote:
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Average dues is $32.00 a month ; ) any more lies?
Look it up. Do you even know what you're supporting? It's in their constitution that they will charge you up to $120, which is exactly what I said. It's hilarious to watch you guys try to justify this scam. I know more about your union than you do. It's sad.
The Insider

Beckley, WV

#48 Jan 20, 2013
tango wrote:
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Average dues is $32.00 a month ; ) any more lies?
Where did you find that figure? The NEMSA website? Yeah, I'm sure that $32.00 a month is highly accurate. NEMSA would NEVER, NEVER, EVER, EVER tell you something that weren't true! Why,they are the most trustworthy group of individuals I've ever run across on the Al Gore-invented Internet!!

Thank you, NEMSA and Al Gore for telling us the truth about how the world really works!!
Not fooled

Beckley, WV

#49 Jan 20, 2013
jerry wrote:
sounds to me like someone higher up in this place is trying real hard to convince everyone union is bad for them. a lot of companies pay union scale to keep unions out. does this place?? just my thoughts!
It's amazing that you don't believe a regular employee can have an opinion that doesn't match up with yours. I am reading these posts like everyone else and the union guys are having a terrible time justifying why we need a union. I am just not convinced. And no, I am not a plant by jancare's upper management. The anti-union people are just making more sense.
Really

Beckley, WV

#50 Jan 20, 2013
Azathoth wrote:
Jancare will go the same route as Walmart: Tell people over and over how the company should handle its problems on their own, and the employee can trust management to look out for their interests. It's the biggest load of crap that has ever been told.
Do yourselves, and your families, a favor: Go Union. Maybe not an out of state union, but a union all the same. "Right to work" states pay less across the board than states that attempt to support unions, and WV being the birthplace of a lot of the pro-union movements, more people will fight for a union than will fight against it. I wouldn't be surprised if the people on this thread fighting unionization are the higher ups of Jancare itself. I have no doubts they'll be telling their employees, in person, that unions are "bad for morale" or bad for the company, etc. when simple research shows you that unionized companies pay more than non-union. They might charge you $120 a month (not saying they will, I have no idea, but that's the maximum) and a $2/hr pay raise will more than make up for the Union dues and put a little more in your pocket. No one can guarantee a pay raise or better benefits, but do your own research, don't listen to the people on here. Going Union is a big step for workers, and the people with backwater ideas and small minds will do their best to convince you that it's a bad idea. HOWEVER: If you had a union, working 24 straight hours wouldn't EVER be an option, because that crap should be illegal, and in most states is. These deaths can be prevented, and to do nothing is to disrespect the memory of those that have died due to Jancare's negligence, and blatant profit-mongering.
And just how will this union change the schedule? Correct me if I am wrong, but the union can't change the law and make 24 hr shifts illegal right? And they can't force jancare to change the schedule. They can try to negotiate but it is not a guarantee. This particular union only has a 50/50 record of even getting the companies to sign a contract and even then a lot of employees' reported that there was no change in benefits or pay. We'd be paying for something that may not even happen
kmm

Beckley, WV

#51 Jan 20, 2013
Paramedic wrote:
First off there is no required down time so don't be trying to put that out there
Second yes many dispatchers pick on certain crews.
Third the pay does not match the job.
Fourth hours need to be less per shirt with higher pay per hour.
Fifth the managers of the companies are to blame the deaths are solely on them they have all the power to change things but that would mean they lose money so shame on these owners and or managers. Put your employees above the money.
As the wife of a paramedic I couldn't agree with this more!!!!
Rip Mark

Beckley, WV

#52 Jan 21, 2013
First of all, this should never be a time to argue.
Mark was a wonderful guy, so sweet & funny May you Rest easy, we will all miss you.

Second of all, When it's your time God will take you. His partner is lucky, and is not to blame in any way shape or form. Mark wouldnt want anybody to be upset or feel guilty about anything
redbone

Beckley, WV

#53 Jan 21, 2013
Really wrote:
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And just how will this union change the schedule? Correct me if I am wrong, but the union can't change the law and make 24 hr shifts illegal right? And they can't force jancare to change the schedule. They can try to negotiate but it is not a guarantee. This particular union only has a 50/50 record of even getting the companies to sign a contract and even then a lot of employees' reported that there was no change in benefits or pay. We'd be paying for something that may not even happen
having a contract in writing and a formal grievance process, makes all the difference in the world. I've seen the sacred cows around here get breaks when others didn't, a contract will stop that. major dispatch issues can be stopped. Just in the last year, I have seen many things that a contract would stop for the better. Pay raises, benefits and procedures are only a part of what a union can bring us.
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The Insider

Beckley, WV

#55 Jan 21, 2013
LIAR DETECTOR wrote:
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You must be Rick Cornett cowering behind your computer. For your information, the ONLY type of union where you MUST join if you work at a covered business is a CLOSED SHOP. ALL union dues are approved by membership.. NOT SET BY UNION LEADERS. You are right in that no union can guarantee better wages or better benefits. But it IS a guaranttee you WON'T get them unless you form a union.
You might be like Hostess, who decided to shut down, instead of paying the workers a fair wage, but in doing so the greedy bosses pocketed over 30 million dollars. Blood sweat and tears make a union strong. So, enough of your lies. Try telling the complete truth, Mr. NASCAR Cornett.
True, you don't HAVE to join NEMSA. However, for YOUR information, even if you DO NOT join the union you still MUST pay union dues.

Mr. NASCAR Cornett (whatever the h*ll that means) has been remarkably quiet on this whole topic. I know him-I can guarantee he's not "cowering behind" a computer! He doesn't really like computers. Like Todd, he's much more of a face-to-face kinda guy. Believe me, you'll get far more face time with him or Todd than with any so-called union representative.

Oh, and Blood, Sweat, and Tears built this company and made it strong-not a union!
Really

Beckley, WV

#56 Jan 21, 2013
Wow, that's a bold move to bring up hostess, LIAR DETECTOR. If I were pro-union I wouldn't want to bring up a company that went bankrupt soley because a union was bargaining on behalf of employees. It's a chilling example of what may happen if a jancare gets a union. I wonder if hostess employees are enjoying all those great benefits and pay raises the union promised? Oh yeah, they're all out of a job now!
Jen

Beckley, WV

#57 Jan 21, 2013
What does NASCAR Cornett mean?
Jerry

Beckley, WV

#58 Jan 21, 2013
redbone wrote:
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having a contract in writing and a formal grievance process, makes all the difference in the world. I've seen the sacred cows around here get breaks when others didn't, a contract will stop that. major dispatch issues can be stopped. Just in the last year, I have seen many things that a contract would stop for the better. Pay raises, benefits and procedures are only a part of what a union can bring us.
But that's my point. You can't say that unionizing would help these problems. NEMSA has a bad reputation for not being able to get a company to sign a contract. If they can't even get a contract what is the point of having them around?
The Insider

Beckley, WV

#59 Jan 21, 2013
Really wrote:
Wow, that's a bold move to bring up hostess, LIAR DETECTOR. If I were pro-union I wouldn't want to bring up a company that went bankrupt soley because a union was bargaining on behalf of employees. It's a chilling example of what may happen if a jancare gets a union. I wonder if hostess employees are enjoying all those great benefits and pay raises the union promised? Oh yeah, they're all out of a job now!
"Really" well said!
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Level 2

Since: Nov 09

Hinton

#61 Jan 21, 2013
Really wrote:
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And just how will this union change the schedule? Correct me if I am wrong, but the union can't change the law and make 24 hr shifts illegal right? And they can't force jancare to change the schedule. They can try to negotiate but it is not a guarantee. This particular union only has a 50/50 record of even getting the companies to sign a contract and even then a lot of employees' reported that there was no change in benefits or pay. We'd be paying for something that may not even happen
I didn't say they'd make it into law, but when the union negotiates a contract with your employer, I imagine that would be one of the first thing they'd address. As with the 40 hour work week, and mandatory holiday overtime, etc. it all started with a few well-placed negotiations in contracts with Unions, then the rest of the workforce saw the benefits of it, and pushed lawmakers to force employers to comply. I can *absolutely* guarantee you that your working conditions aren't going to get better by doing nothing. If you're perfectly happy with the way things are now, fine, but good luck explaining to the family of the next person that dies how you were happy, and willing to accept the occasional death as just collateral damage, because your $30/month is more important than their lives.

You might have to give up $30/month in Union dues, but if $30 a month would break your budget, you have FAR more to gain from a Union than you could lose. Frankly, either you're arrogant enough to believe that someone's life is worth less than $30, or too stupid to realize that a unionized workforce (according to EVERY statistic) makes considerably more money, and gets better benefits, than a non-union workforce. It's not a guarantee, but history, and virtually every other major companies pay records, don't lie.

Level 2

Since: Nov 09

Hinton

#62 Jan 21, 2013
And to you, The Insider, you should read about how the CEO of Hostess bumped up the pay for himself and all his top employees by about 300%, while refusing to pay into the retirement fund, or benefits, etc. for his employees. It's a perfect example of the kind of greed you're wanting to protect causing a company to shut down.

A union will never put a company out of business. A greedy CEO willing to pay himself an extra 300% raise every year, at the cost of his employees livelihood, will. Clearly you didn't read anything that actually happened with Hostess. They made less than any snack company on EARTH, had less benefits, etc. and their CEO was still paying himself more and more. You're uninformed, and every statement you make proves it.
The Insider

Beckley, WV

#63 Jan 21, 2013
LIAR Detector wrote:
Closing a business is a risk the management takes when tthey continue to want to rob employees and not treat the work force fairly. Hostess paid the price (although their owners and managers walked off with pockets full of cash). I suggest you watch the movie "Matewan". You might be surprised to learn that a business shutting down is mild compared to losing your life. If a business doesn't want to pay a fair wage, and doesn't want to provide safety -- then IT NEEDS SHUT DOWN. Plain and simple.
The unions are strong. The unions help the unfortunate. Unions restore safety and allow workers to take home their fair share of the profits. Why, some of Jan Care's workers might even have enough money to be able to go to a NASCAR race.(Yet, even with a union, I doubt they will be able to live in the luxury of their company owner.)
Unions don't put companies out of business. Rich greedy company owners do.
First of all, as I said before, I would put Jan-Care's safety record up against anyone's in the country. The company has experienced two tragic deaths in its forty three years. Considering the millions of miles our ambulances travel each year, the thousands upon thousands of calls we answer, the dangerous emergency situations Jan-Care employees have found themselves in, and the tens of thousands of lives they have saved, I certainly wouldn't have been surprised if we had experienced more. Some may say we've been lucky, sure: but luck will only take you so far. In the end, it comes down to the effectiveness of safety measures. Can they guarantee EVERY employees safety ALL the time? Of course not. We all take risks every day of our lives: showering involves risk, driving to work involves risk, even enjoying a nice Sunday breakfast at Crackerbarrel involves risk. A Union, whatever its promises, cannot negate risk.

You said that I might be surprised that a business shutting down is mild compared to losing your life. Maybe...but if this Union manages to shut Jan-Care Ambulance down, I know that a lot of people (car accident victims, heart attack victims, stroke victims, among others) will lose THEIR lives. They will die because a few people (like you) believe that if a company does not pay what you consider a "fair wage" then it "NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN". If that happens, it won't be me or other JC employees to whom you'll need to justify yourself: it will be the families of those victims who, when they called 911, were told "Sorry, Jan-Care workers are on strike."
Ur stupid

Charleston, WV

#64 Jan 21, 2013
The Insider wrote:
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First of all, as I said before, I would put Jan-Care's safety record up against anyone's in the country. The company has experienced two tragic deaths in its forty three years. Considering the millions of miles our ambulances travel each year, the thousands upon thousands of calls we answer, the dangerous emergency situations Jan-Care employees have found themselves in, and the tens of thousands of lives they have saved, I certainly wouldn't have been surprised if we had experienced more. Some may say we've been lucky, sure: but luck will only take you so far. In the end, it comes down to the effectiveness of safety measures. Can they guarantee EVERY employees safety ALL the time? Of course not. We all take risks every day of our lives: showering involves risk, driving to work involves risk, even enjoying a nice Sunday breakfast at Crackerbarrel involves risk. A Union, whatever its promises, cannot negate risk.
You said that I might be surprised that a business shutting down is mild compared to losing your life. Maybe...but if this Union manages to shut Jan-Care Ambulance down, I know that a lot of people (car accident victims, heart attack victims, stroke victims, among others) will lose THEIR lives. They will die because a few people (like you) believe that if a company does not pay what you consider a "fair wage" then it "NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN". If that happens, it won't be me or other JC employees to whom you'll need to justify yourself: it will be the families of those victims who, when they called 911, were told "Sorry, Jan-Care workers are on strike."
Do you really honestly thank people will believe ur last paragraph I mean get real you got best and priority that would probley love to have all of JC business and besides it is county commission responsibility to provide EMS protection to the county and with the car wreck comment if JC goes out of business do u thank that no EMS provider will respond to the call I mean wth
You are clueless

Beckley, WV

#65 Jan 21, 2013
Ur stupid wrote:
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Do you really honestly thank people will believe ur last paragraph I mean get real you got best and priority that would probley love to have all of JC business and besides it is county commission responsibility to provide EMS protection to the county and with the car wreck comment if JC goes out of business do u thank that no EMS provider will respond to the call I mean wth
Best ambulance has 4 working trucks that I am aware of and priority has 2. In Raleigh county alone, jancare typically has 20 trucks up a day. Do you really think that priority and best can handle that kind of call volume? That isn't even counting Fayette and Nicholas county. Not to mention Wyoming and McDowell. You should be very concerned. If jancare goes on strike there is no ambulance provider in the state that could cover.
Really

Beckley, WV

#66 Jan 21, 2013
Azathoth wrote:
And to you, The Insider, you should read about how the CEO of Hostess bumped up the pay for himself and all his top employees by about 300%, while refusing to pay into the retirement fund, or benefits, etc. for his employees. It's a perfect example of the kind of greed you're wanting to protect causing a company to shut down.
A union will never put a company out of business. A greedy CEO willing to pay himself an extra 300% raise every year, at the cost of his employees livelihood, will. Clearly you didn't read anything that actually happened with Hostess. They made less than any snack company on EARTH, had less benefits, etc. and their CEO was still paying himself more and more. You're uninformed, and every statement you make proves it.
Azathoth, the more you say, the less impressed I am with you. You just proved insiders point! You just gave him an excellent example of a union's failed attempt to improve working conditions! Hostess had a union! Yet they failed to prevent a greedy CEO from cutting workers wages and benefits! Not only did you prove that the union was worthless, you said that a non-union companies had better wages and benefits across the board! I almost didnt believe it but I looked it up and sure enough! Little Debbie is non union and thriving. Workers are happy. Thank you for proving our point!

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