nemesis

Saint Albans, WV

#63 Feb 28, 2013
A former Massey suck just pleaded guilty to conspiring to violate mine safety laws. He also stated he conspired with Don Blankenship, the former Massey CEO. Look our Don, you're next, and you will have to spend some of that $10 million on Lawyers. David Hughart just blew the whistle on you.

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#64 Feb 28, 2013
nemesis wrote:
A former Massey suck just pleaded guilty to conspiring to violate mine safety laws. He also stated he conspired with Don Blankenship, the former Massey CEO. Look our Don, you're next, and you will have to spend some of that $10 million on Lawyers. David Hughart just blew the whistle on you.
BEAUTIFUL !! Would you please post a link to that!

Bug Ridge
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#65 Feb 28, 2013
Bug Ridge wrote:
<quoted text>BEAUTIFUL !! Would you please post a link to that!
Here's a link to the article.

http://wvgazette.com/News/201302280018

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#66 Feb 28, 2013
I am fairly conservative:).. but I have given the UMWA a pass, as it were... One needs to read up on why the UMWA came into being in the first place...

The Mine Wars for example to organize the coal fields, brought on by treatment of the workers by the coal barons, and the conditions our ancestors worked under.....

A coal miner wasn't worth a mule in the early days and coal operators didnt' CARE how many died in the mines or out of it...Some of them still don't.. again, just saying:)
canada_wondering

Beckley, WV

#67 Feb 28, 2013
Don is all about the $$$ everyone knowed that for years..I hope he gets his!

Bug Ridge
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#68 Mar 1, 2013
Shootist wrote:
I am fairly conservative:).. but I have given the UMWA a pass, as it were... One needs to read up on why the UMWA came into being in the first place...

The Mine Wars for example to organize the coal fields, brought on by treatment of the workers by the coal barons, and the conditions our ancestors worked under.....

A coal miner wasn't worth a mule in the early days and coal operators didnt' CARE how many died in the mines or out of it...Some of them still don't.. again, just saying:)
We are so pleased that you " gave us a pass, so to say " ... LOL
american

Beckley, WV

#69 Mar 1, 2013
Bug Ridge wrote:
<quoted text>Why would you publicly support coal, when it has killed 4 WV miners in 2 months? Or the 29 at UBB .. I could go on & on. WHY?
How could you publicly support automobiles when West Virginia looses hundreds a year to automobile accidents?where are all the regulations on automobiles?mine will go well over seventy if I keep my foot on the pedal,,I can still buy a convertible ?why haven't they put blow and go's in all vehicles driven on the road to prevent any drunks from getting behind the wheel and killing not just themselves but innocent children? Why can I drive an open wheel monster it creates more chance of a rollover ? You have no current mining experience at all with the words you are speaking ,,regulation on mining coal are becoming almost impossible to comply with ..but fact is people are still people ,,death is horrible for any one to have to deal with but kids still drive fast and in the work place some choose to make bad decisions and some times just as planes go down and take out hundreds mining encounters disasters too!!but with Feds and state agency their hands are always digging into pockets to get their share and make new regulations when something happens even when it's no ones fault...and for the record ..I would dare you to tell anyone that one of these accidents happened to that they didn't care about keeping their buddy safe

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#70 Mar 1, 2013
american wrote:
<quoted text>How could you publicly support automobiles when West Virginia looses hundreds a year to automobile accidents?where are all the regulations on automobiles?mine will go well over seventy if I keep my foot on the pedal,,I can still buy a convertible ?why haven't they put blow and go's in all vehicles driven on the road to prevent any drunks from getting behind the wheel and killing not just themselves but innocent children? Why can I drive an open wheel monster it creates more chance of a rollover ? You have no current mining experience at all with the words you are speaking ,,regulation on mining coal are becoming almost impossible to comply with ..but fact is people are still people ,,death is horrible for any one to have to deal with but kids still drive fast and in the work place some choose to make bad decisions and some times just as planes go down and take out hundreds mining encounters disasters too!!but with Feds and state agency their hands are always digging into pockets to get their share and make new regulations when something happens even when it's no ones fault...and for the record ..I would dare you to tell anyone that one of these accidents happened to that they didn't care about keeping their buddy safe
I publicly support getting rid of morons like you.
american

Beckley, WV

#71 Mar 1, 2013
Bug Ridge wrote:
<quoted text>I publicly support getting rid of morons like you.
Very quick on your feet ..aren't you?
american

Beckley, WV

#72 Mar 1, 2013
Bug Ridge wrote:
<quoted text>I publicly support getting rid of morons like you.
You have no knowledge of the environment in which you are speaking
american

Beckley, WV

#73 Mar 1, 2013
Bug Ridge wrote:
<quoted text>I publicly support getting rid of morons like you.
And when you are confronted with simple facts that link the subject matter with truths you can relate too
american

Beckley, WV

#74 Mar 1, 2013
Bug Ridge wrote:
<quoted text>I publicly support getting rid of morons like you.
You throw stones
american

Beckley, WV

#75 Mar 1, 2013
Bug Ridge wrote:
<quoted text>I publicly support getting rid of morons like you.
You are not special
american

Beckley, WV

#76 Mar 1, 2013
Bug Ridge wrote:
<quoted text>I publicly support getting rid of morons like you.
There are plenty of judgmental far left nut jobs like yourself ..

Bug Ridge
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#77 Mar 1, 2013
american wrote:
<quoted text>There are plenty of judgmental far left nut jobs like yourself ..
:-)
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#79 Mar 2, 2013
Bug Ridge wrote:
<quoted text>
We are so pleased that you " gave us a pass, so to say " ... LOL
You welcome.. glad to help:)

My father was a coal miner who died of Black lung and heart disease....I am now three years older than he was when he died, with NO sign of either...(and I'm not THAT old)...Well, maybe I am depending on you you ask:)

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#80 Mar 2, 2013
P.S. The UMWA kicked in quite a bit when my mother became ill also.

Bug Ridge
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#81 Mar 2, 2013
Shootist wrote:
<quoted text>You welcome.. glad to help:)

My father was a coal miner who died of Black lung and heart disease....I am now three years older than he was when he died, with NO sign of either...(and I'm not THAT old)...Well, maybe I am depending on you you ask:)
I'm 3rd generation UMWA, started in 1970.

“Don't Start Rumors!”

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#82 Mar 2, 2013
american wrote:
<quoted text>
How could you publicly support automobiles when West Virginia looses hundreds a year to automobile accidents?where are all the regulations on automobiles?mine will go well over seventy if I keep my foot on the pedal,,I can still buy a convertible ?why haven't they put blow and go's in all vehicles driven on the road to prevent any drunks from getting behind the wheel and killing not just themselves but innocent children? Why can I drive an open wheel monster it creates more chance of a rollover ? You have no current mining experience at all with the words you are speaking ,,regulation on mining coal are becoming almost impossible to comply with ..but fact is people are still people ,,death is horrible for any one to have to deal with but kids still drive fast and in the work place some choose to make bad decisions and some times just as planes go down and take out hundreds mining encounters disasters too!!but with Feds and state agency their hands are always digging into pockets to get their share and make new regulations when something happens even when it's no ones fault...and for the record ..I would dare you to tell anyone that one of these accidents happened to that they didn't care about keeping their buddy safe
There is a big difference that you fail to understand. All of the things you mentioned as potential dangers are things we can control ourselves as to whether or not we take that risk.
The point Bugridge has made is that the deaths and risks that happens in the mines can most of the time be related to people uneccessarily taking those risks because of the fear the coal barrons have put opon them over their job by making them do it or becoming unemployed or even black-balled for not complying with the coal owners instructions. That point has never been made more clear than what it has come out over the U.B.B. explosion. Plain and simple. Your references to all these other dangers doesnt even fall into the same category.
You are the one that is missing the big picture of the problem here. Regulations in the mines whether they be old or new dont do a damn bit of good when those regulations are repeatedly ignored by many different coal companies because it hurts their precious production. When over and over again, you constantly here about mines being written up for the same old shit over and over such as not maintaining proper ventilation or not enough dusting, you start to see the stupid risks these companies take over and over again when the results of such ignorance is plain to see in the U.B.B. explosion.
if you jump in a convertible while drinking and driving, have a rollover, crash and die. That is on you and nobody threatened to fire you for doing so. When you get blown up into nothing underground because some coal barron told you to do your job or be fired, thats a whole different ball game.

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#83 Mar 2, 2013
coal wrote:
Next time any of you UMWA members or any miner for that matter loses your job, or especially the umwa loses more membership, remember these words of Ed Wiley, aka Bug Ridge who professes to be an advocate of the umwa: "Leave coal buried in the ground so we can have a cleaner world."
He wants you to lose your jobs.
Incorrect, he wants a cleaner world just as he said and less uneccessary deaths. Stop adding to it what you think he means and you will carry more weight with your side of the story.

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