Union Thugs Turn Violent in Michigan

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capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#1 Dec 11, 2012
Union thugs attacked conservatives in Michigan, hitting a Fox news contributor and tearing down the tent of a conservative group with women and elderly people inside. Guess that little pep talk from the community organizer in Chief got them all riled up.
Sally26

New York, NY

#2 Dec 11, 2012
Liberals sure are violent people for all their anti-war rhetoric!

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Since: Aug 12

Beckley

#3 Dec 11, 2012
Ugg- I saw this- what is wrong with PEOPLE? Why so mean and filled with such hate and violence?
I fear thing's will continue to go downhill , America is split .....and so many are angry.

Why can't you ask a simple question without being ....made fun of .....called horrible names......hit in the face...... called a bigot......and sooooooo much more.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#4 Dec 11, 2012
My guess is that Eric Holder will bring the guy up on civil rights charges. There are thousands of witnesses who saw the guy try to break the union thug's hand with his face.

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#5 Dec 11, 2012
Yes, but what reaction was expected?

You took a predominantly union supporting state, and pass laws that have consistently been the root of lowering of standard of living on average where they have been implemented.

So how about we talk about the thugs that strong armed the inappropriately named "right to work" legislation first.

First law of medicine... Treat the cause of the symptoms, Not the symptoms themselves.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#6 Dec 11, 2012
VirVoX Populi wrote:
Yes, but what reaction was expected?
You took a predominantly union supporting state, and pass laws that have consistently been the root of lowering of standard of living on average where they have been implemented.
So how about we talk about the thugs that strong armed the inappropriately named "right to work" legislation first.
First law of medicine... Treat the cause of the symptoms, Not the symptoms themselves.
I don't know? Is it expecting too much to ask people to obey the law? When Obama was re-elected, I felt physcially ill and went to bed. I woke up the next morning still a strong believer in the peaceful transfer of power. The thug in the white house is strong arming the American People right now, but I am not moved to violence.

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#7 Dec 11, 2012
capitalist pig wrote:
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I don't know? Is it expecting too much to ask people to obey the law? When Obama was re-elected, I felt physically ill and went to bed. I woke up the next morning still a strong believer in the peaceful transfer of power. The thug in the white house is strong arming the American People right now, but I am not moved to violence.
Well this is my point. Yes people SHOULD obey the law, but there comes a time when the law shelters and harbors criminal and obscene behavior. Make no mistake, people are sick to death of the wealthy in this country crying like they cant survive and that they need this that and the other and trying to guilt the American people into supporting nothing but their greed. This isnt the small business owner, or what makes up the largest bulk of business owners in this country. This is the corporation executives taking home millions in bonuses as the company making an American institution shuts down.

So when the people see these same greedy entitlement demanding pricks utilizing their economic power that they complain they dont have, to strong arm legislation that is designed to help corporations widen their profit margins even further, all at the expense of spitting on individuals right to assembly, and honestly the expectation for the worker to be able to have a fair wage for an honest days work.

Im sorry, but this is opportunistic strong arming and the people of the state know it, and will have to suffer it, not only now, but from now on because this isnt something that will just go away, and its certainly not something that will be easily overturned. So yeah, you have to expect a people who are already pissed at the wealthy crying about what is good for them see their ability to defend their livelihoods against these pissed off bosses diminished as their own standard of living will be diminished. So yeah its hard not to expect people to be beyond pissed off.

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#8 Dec 11, 2012
Sorry... grammar is deplorable in that. Point is, the people know this will lead to suffering. If you look at the state Michigan is already in (IE I can buy an entire skyscraper in Detroit metro for a whopping 2 thousand dollars) these people are desperate, and this legislation is more twinkieism, with the heads getting all the benefits while the workers and general public are left to suffer the consequences.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#9 Dec 11, 2012
VirVoX Populi wrote:
Sorry... grammar is deplorable in that. Point is, the people know this will lead to suffering. If you look at the state Michigan is already in (IE I can buy an entire skyscraper in Detroit metro for a whopping 2 thousand dollars) these people are desperate, and this legislation is more twinkieism, with the heads getting all the benefits while the workers and general public are left to suffer the consequences.
Workers in MI have already been losing wages for several years. last year MI lost 8000 manufacturing jobs, IN gained 14,000 do the math. Once upon a time Detroit had more millionaires than NY City. Unions and liberal politicians have ruined one of the Gems of America. I remember when I was a little boy and my aunt lived in Detroit, it was a beautiul city. Today you can buy a house there for $1,000.00 but your taxes on the house are over $3,000.00
The people in MI voted for a change. Dont forget when Scott Walker made the changes in WI and there was great wailing and knashing of teeth and the unions strong armed the state into a recall election, the people re-elected him.
You fail to look at the life style of the fat, lazy union bosses. This is a good thing for the working man. The unions cant just take the workers money now and say screw you. they will have to actually represent their workers to keep membership instead of answering to the political bosses.
If I worked for GM, you damned right, I would belong to the Union. Especially now that no one was forcing me.

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#10 Dec 11, 2012
capitalist pig wrote:
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Workers in MI have already been losing wages for several years. last year MI lost 8000 manufacturing jobs, IN gained 14,000 do the math. Once upon a time Detroit had more millionaires than NY City. Unions and liberal politicians have ruined one of the Gems of America. I remember when I was a little boy and my aunt lived in Detroit, it was a beautiul city. Today you can buy a house there for $1,000.00 but your taxes on the house are over $3,000.00
The people in MI voted for a change. Dont forget when Scott Walker made the changes in WI and there was great wailing and knashing of teeth and the unions strong armed the state into a recall election, the people re-elected him.
You fail to look at the life style of the fat, lazy union bosses. This is a good thing for the working man. The unions cant just take the workers money now and say screw you. they will have to actually represent their workers to keep membership instead of answering to the political bosses.
If I worked for GM, you damned right, I would belong to the Union. Especially now that no one was forcing me.
Ok, first off... The people didnt reelect Scott Walker... The RNC BOUGHT Scott Walkers re-election. The amount of out of state money funneled into that election was disgusting.

Next.. Yes, they voted for a change... and the reaction you are seeing is lamenting and regretting that decision knowing it was a terrible mistake.

If it is looking at lifestyle... You are correct, I am NOT looking at the lifestyle of the guy whos only job duty is protecting the saftey and wages of employees... Im far more concerned about the lifestyle of the executive who kills an American icon, raids the pension funds to grant their own bonuses and burns down the rest of the assets. Even the worst union boss, isafucking saint compared to those who despite having all the money, all the power, and the army of lawyers to defend their interest STILL have duped the citizenry to come running to their defense.

You want to look at facts? Look at the fact that employees in RTW states consistently make dramatically less than properly defended unionized states. This is no good thing for the working man.. This is a guarantee that the working man will have less ability to negotiate a livable wage and will ensure corporate overlords will be better equipped to swat away threats to their profit margins.

Wages in right-to-work states are 3.2% lower than those in non-RTW states

The rate of employer-sponsored health insurance (ESI) is 2.6 percentage points lower in RTW states compared with non-RTW states

The rate of employer-sponsored pensions is 4.8 percentage points lower in RTW states

http://www.epi.org/page/-/old/briefingpapers/...

Now how exactly is this a boon to the working man again? Sorry Pig, but Unions arent the problem... because unions only exist BECAUSE of the problem. Without them they will keep pushing back as close as they can get to hiring children as Chimney sweeps and paying you from the company store.
nemesis

Charleston, WV

#11 Dec 12, 2012
It is hard to comprehend, that the state that spawned the great Unions that built the Middle Class in this Country, brought better working con ditions and higher wages, would destroy it all. If they think the big Corporations are going to flock to their state, they're badly mistaken. It just means you're going to work for less, and the companies will still out-source to Mexico and China.
thing

Oak Hill, WV

#12 Dec 12, 2012
the job you save may be your owen. buy made in american.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#13 Dec 12, 2012
VirVoX Populi wrote:
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Ok, first off... The people didnt reelect Scott Walker... The RNC BOUGHT Scott Walkers re-election. The amount of out of state money funneled into that election was disgusting.
Next.. Yes, they voted for a change... and the reaction you are seeing is lamenting and regretting that decision knowing it was a terrible mistake.
If it is looking at lifestyle... You are correct, I am NOT looking at the lifestyle of the guy whos only job duty is protecting the saftey and wages of employees... Im far more concerned about the lifestyle of the executive who kills an American icon, raids the pension funds to grant their own bonuses and burns down the rest of the assets. Even the worst union boss, isafucking saint compared to those who despite having all the money, all the power, and the army of lawyers to defend their interest STILL have duped the citizenry to come running to their defense.
You want to look at facts? Look at the fact that employees in RTW states consistently make dramatically less than properly defended unionized states. This is no good thing for the working man.. This is a guarantee that the working man will have less ability to negotiate a livable wage and will ensure corporate overlords will be better equipped to swat away threats to their profit margins.
Wages in right-to-work states are 3.2% lower than those in non-RTW states
The rate of employer-sponsored health insurance (ESI) is 2.6 percentage points lower in RTW states compared with non-RTW states
The rate of employer-sponsored pensions is 4.8 percentage points lower in RTW states
http://www.epi.org/page/-/old/briefingpapers/...
Now how exactly is this a boon to the working man again? Sorry Pig, but Unions arent the problem... because unions only exist BECAUSE of the problem. Without them they will keep pushing back as close as they can get to hiring children as Chimney sweeps and paying you from the company store.
You are faily new to topix, so you have no seen my posts from the past where I fully acknowledge the acomplishments of the unions and that they are responsible for our current standard of living. I guess you didnt notice that i said if I worked for GM, I would belong to the Union. That being said, unions have now just become an arm of the democrat party and do not represent the best interest of their members with corrupt men like Cecil Roberts and Rich Trumpka. Unions in right to work states have to now do the same thing I do, compete for their customers. If they actually provide a service, they will have customers, if not they will go the way of the dinosours. I have belonged to trade associations all my working life, I pay my fees becasue I think they provide a service.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#14 Dec 12, 2012
nemesis wrote:
It is hard to comprehend, that the state that spawned the great Unions that built the Middle Class in this Country, brought better working con ditions and higher wages, would destroy it all. If they think the big Corporations are going to flock to their state, they're badly mistaken. It just means you're going to work for less, and the companies will still out-source to Mexico and China.


Have you been to that great state lately?

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#15 Dec 12, 2012
VirVoX Populi wrote:
Sorry... grammar is deplorable in that. Point is, the people know this will lead to suffering. If you look at the state Michigan is already in (IE I can buy an entire skyscraper in Detroit metro for a whopping 2 thousand dollars) these people are desperate, and this legislation is more twinkieism, with the heads getting all the benefits while the workers and general public are left to suffer the consequences.
Excellent posts VirVoX. Michigan loses jobs paying $20 an hour and Indiana gets jobs paying $12 an hour....sounds like a fair exchange to me....not!

The fact is, between technology and the destruction of the unions, there are no more highly paid, low skilled jobs that kept the middle class prosperous for 50 years after WWII. Those days are gone. Now it's get a good education or prepare to be poor.

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#16 Dec 12, 2012
The thing is though, we know we can't educate enough people to keep the economy pumping the way it was in the past because the middle class was making good wages and spending that money. Bye-bye America.
Mountaineer

New York, NY

#17 Dec 12, 2012
capitalist pig wrote:
<quoted text>Workers in MI have already been losing wages for several years. last year MI lost 8000 manufacturing jobs, IN gained 14,000 do the math. Once upon a time Detroit had more millionaires than NY City. Unions and liberal politicians have ruined one of the Gems of America. I remember when I was a little boy and my aunt lived in Detroit, it was a beautiul city. Today you can buy a house there for $1,000.00 but your taxes on the house are over $3,000.00
The people in MI voted for a change. Dont forget when Scott Walker made the changes in WI and there was great wailing and knashing of teeth and the unions strong armed the state into a recall election, the people re-elected him.
You fail to look at the life style of the fat, lazy union bosses. This is a good thing for the working man. The unions cant just take the workers money now and say screw you. they will have to actually represent their workers to keep membership instead of answering to the political bosses.
If I worked for GM, you damned right, I would belong to the Union. Especially now that no one was forcing me.
I just watched the documentary 'Detropia.' Detroit is a sad, sad city. In the 1930s, it was the fastest growing city in the world. Now it is the fastest declining city in the U.S. Detroit has lost half its population in the last 20 years. Those manufacturing jobs are not coming back. Other American manufacturing cities are going the same route. The unions can't save them at this point, and honestly contributed to the fall by placing unreasonable demands when competition crept in. No easy solutions.
capitalist pig

Lubbock, TX

#18 Dec 12, 2012
Mountaineer wrote:
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I just watched the documentary 'Detropia.' Detroit is a sad, sad city. In the 1930s, it was the fastest growing city in the world. Now it is the fastest declining city in the U.S. Detroit has lost half its population in the last 20 years. Those manufacturing jobs are not coming back. Other American manufacturing cities are going the same route. The unions can't save them at this point, and honestly contributed to the fall by placing unreasonable demands when competition crept in. No easy solutions.
Exactly. And here is a little history lesson that the union supporters seem to not know or ignore. Unions were not created in states where they were protected by the government. Unions were created out of the need and desperation of workers to demand safer working conditions, better wages and benefits. Rather than being protected by the government, they had to fight the government as well as the company. There had to be a benefit for the worker to join. Government created monopolies never work. The unions have become bloated, corrupt and lazy. Not the union worker, the vast majority of union workers are still good hard working people. They are just represented by scum at the top. Now the union bosses in MI will have to earn their keep. Another issue is that unions have been a victim of their own success. Many of the issues that unions were created to battle are now law, thanks to the unions.
capitalist pig

Lubbock, TX

#19 Dec 12, 2012
Lesson Learned wrote:
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Excellent posts VirVoX. Michigan loses jobs paying $20 an hour and Indiana gets jobs paying $12 an hour....sounds like a fair exchange to me....not!
The fact is, between technology and the destruction of the unions, there are no more highly paid, low skilled jobs that kept the middle class prosperous for 50 years after WWII. Those days are gone. Now it's get a good education or prepare to be poor.
Do you pay people in your business more than they are worth? Why would you expect other businesses to. There are thousands of good paying jobs in this country going unfilled becasue there are not the skilled workers available to fill them. The days of someone with no skills making a middle class income are over. The future is bright for those who embrace it and prepare for it. The rest will just have to become permanent democrat voters.
Big1

Beckley, WV

#20 Dec 12, 2012
Why do these people who do not want to pay Union dues still get the pay raises medical coverage job protection rigth to a safe work place that the dues paying workers are paying their union reps. to bargan for. These SCABS are parasites on the union. If they don't pay dues you should not live off the hard work of the Union. These are more than likely the same dummys that went to the teabagger rallys yelling about keep the Gov. away from my healthcare, at the same time carring a medicare card in their purse-wallet. Lets see how many of these non-dues paying workers turn down the pay raises and pensions that other peoples dues have earned for them. I bet none of them will turn these gains down.

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