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massey miner

Beckley, WV

#1 Feb 14, 2010
Be agood time for the union to step in and see if they can't get some more members from massey's surface miners. From what everyone is saying a union miner is getting anywhere from 6 to 9 dollars more on the hour, and don't have to pay for they're insurance. Some of the workers are down to 14 or 15 a hour and working theyre asses off. Say the union would have a good chance if they came and showed how much more they are making per hour. the ones hired after may 1 last yr got theyre 3 paid personal days took from them. they still get the days off but not with pay.
wheres the money

Beckley, WV

#2 Feb 14, 2010
massey miner wrote:
Be agood time for the union to step in and see if they can't get some more members from massey's surface miners. From what everyone is saying a union miner is getting anywhere from 6 to 9 dollars more on the hour, and don't have to pay for they're insurance. Some of the workers are down to 14 or 15 a hour and working theyre asses off. Say the union would have a good chance if they came and showed how much more they are making per hour. the ones hired after may 1 last yr got theyre 3 paid personal days took from them. they still get the days off but not with pay.
How many of the massey members lost between 5 to 15 thousand or more last yr? Work more for less, is what don's wanting you to do.How many coal co. make theyre men pay for theyre insurance? Massey cut your pay, made a big profit last yr, bought more land up, and gave don a big old paycheck, for you getting you to work more for less. Time to wise up and go union, where you will make a good livin and it won't be took because somebody pay is gonna fall below 8 million a yr.
informed citizen

Oak Hill, WV

#3 Feb 15, 2010
All you're wanting is the dues. And sure folks - you can trust the union, afterall they went with the WV people's choice and endorsed Hillary, didn't they?

Nope, they backed Obama, someone who clearly stately his agenda would bankrupt the coal industry.

From pre-election headline:

"West Virginia Loves Obama After All!
UMWA Endorses."
massey miner

Beckley, WV

#4 Feb 15, 2010
informed citizen wrote:
All you're wanting is the dues. And sure folks - you can trust the union, afterall they went with the WV people's choice and endorsed Hillary, didn't they?
Nope, they backed Obama, someone who clearly stately his agenda would bankrupt the coal industry.
From pre-election headline:
"West Virginia Loves Obama After All!
UMWA Endorses."
that might be true, but don's working us for next to nothing compared to other company's. Lost over 15 thousand to the pay cut,and worked everyday. All the cut backs, and they made record profits. And as far as the people choice neither one was my choice!!So it more than who they endoursed, Most massey surface miners,not 'worried about the coal industry going bankrupt,when the one's on unemployment don't make that much less than we do. When we don't work every saturday. Surface mining is so important to massey, but they don't want to pay theyre workers like the rest of the companys. They say theyre members are the most important part of massey but whats the most important thing in massey is to make don richer. everything has to do with that fact. Make him more money. If the union was so bad for the men and they dont need it why would massey spent millions up on millions of dollars to keep it out? And as far as the dues goes I'd pay 50 dollars or whatever it is a month to get get a from a 6 to 9 dollar A HOUR RAISE and have insurance YOU DON"T PAY FOR, paid hoildays. personal days and a retirement with insurance when you get older.
informed citizen

Oak Hill, WV

#5 Feb 16, 2010
Here's an idea. Tell Massey where to put that job and go get one with a union company. Problem solved
big 1

Sophia, WV

#6 Feb 16, 2010
How did you vote when they had the union vote? If you were there and voted no I hope they work you for 3 dollars a day 16 hours a day 7 days a week.

“opinions-r-like- azzhollios”

Since: Jan 09

Daniels

#7 Feb 16, 2010
carful, traslations for you. anti-union=anti-labor=anti-peo ple.
you cant be anti-people.
stop bashing hard working labor folks.
true the UMWA has had problems but when you have coal barons like DON moving mine sites when things start gettin g to good for the help, that weakens the power of unions, but if you look at RR unions, they get what they want and the COMPANY still makes fortunes..
Coal barons that cross state lines and continually discorage union workers should get the same treament they dish out.

Keep you heads up guys, the economy is really bad so hang on to what you got and when the economy turns a little more, you can get what you want.
capitalist pig

Lubbock, TX

#8 Feb 16, 2010
How does being anti-union = anti-people.
People have choices. I used to work on a construction job when i was young where most of the workers there had been in the union at one time of another, but chose to work for a little less per hour and work all the time.
these were good hardworking men who had made a choice that they felt was best for their family.
When massey got started in southern wv, how many of those workers were former UMWA?
You keep throwing out the term coal baron like it is 1920 in WV. Don Blankenship does not own AT Massey and could be thrown out at any time the stock holders dont like the job he is doing (he doesnt have a union).
capitalist pig

Lubbock, TX

#9 Feb 16, 2010
too many of you seem to think that is the job of a corporation to provide jobs. It is the job of a corporation to make a profit. Period. That may sound harsh, but that is the truth. Now corporations should obey the laws and the better they treat people, the happier the people will be and the more productive they will be. It is dumb for corporations to treat people badly, although I know some do. AT Massey for one seems to have forgotten how they got all those union miners and kept the happy for so long. If so many of their people remain unhappy, it will have bad results for the company.
big 1

Sophia, WV

#10 Feb 16, 2010
They feel that the UMWA is so far down they are no longer a threat to organize them. So they do what they want to the men. A few years back when the union was stronger they felt they had to keep the men at least a little bit happy. Picnic's, partys, bonuses. now it seems these perks are going away. A couple years ago I saw where Massey lost 45 milliom and Don got a 3 million bonus. I wonder how the stockholders felt about that. If they ever show a profit he will be in A-rods or Capitalist Pig's tax bracket.
capitalist pig

Lubbock, TX

#11 Feb 16, 2010
I sure wish that were true big 1 (about me being in A Rods tax bracket)
I am just a working man like you. I work everyday.

But you are right, unions are a result of bad management. Where people are treated fairly and paid well, they are not looking for a union.

“opinions-r-like- azzhollios”

Since: Jan 09

Daniels

#12 Feb 16, 2010
true, the job of a corp. is to make profit, but the rules are a little different when people die for your profit. we are not talking about making and selling gidgets(marketing 101), we are talking about a dangerous occupation where workers are injured daily, killed too often, and die much ealier than the comon joe. so dont give the happy stock holder speach, and Unions, are the only thing that can make sure that an injured man(and his family) are protected. go to new york and try to work a non-union construction job. you cant have effective unions when there are cheaper-unregulated, unreliable options and in construction, there are too many jacklegs to even have a chance a decent unionization.
I know you are too smart to be throwing out those weak defenses so Imm assuming you in a debating mood today.
Back to the Rail Road, unions are very good and yes, they have good leader ship, but the #1 rweason is the trillions of dollars it would cost to purchase new land and lay rail to move theitr trains. when their are no unionbusting tactics available, they have to negociate, and the RR companies are some of the most profitable out their because they are forced by the Unions to be fair, and they are forced by the government to be safe.
massey miner

Beckley, WV

#13 Feb 16, 2010
big 1 wrote:
How did you vote when they had the union vote? If you were there and voted no I hope they work you for 3 dollars a day 16 hours a day 7 days a week.
Have never had a vote at the place i work at
ratm

Beckley, WV

#14 Feb 16, 2010
better hope there never is a vote at your mine then you will be looking for a job. i know a guy that works at a massey mine thats union and when they had parties and stuff they never got a invite. few people that i know the ones that work under ground seem to have it better then the mtr guys that work for massey. thats far as pay and things extra they get guess it might be the danger in the job.
ratm

Beckley, WV

#15 Feb 16, 2010
my dad owned a small construction company and had the Mid-Atlantic Regional Council of Carpenters came along a few times. he never was against them but he new that he could not afford his guys to go there. he retired few years ago he thought with the market droping out and that union looking to come in it be a good time to leave.
capitalist pig

Lubbock, TX

#16 Feb 16, 2010
Kingfish, we have heatlh and safety laws and labor laws (thanks to the unions)
Yes the railroad union has done a good job of protecting the workers, but have they been able to save jobs when new technology comes along. I think a short drive through mullens or bluefield will tell you that the answer is no.
I am not against unions when they have good leadership. I think Johm L Lewis would be turning over in his grave to see the weak leadership of Cecil Roberts and Porky Pig before him.
Look what weak management and unions did to General Motors. I fault management at GM more than the unions. But unions cant expect companies to pay people not to work and unions cant protect the lazy and incompetent. In NY City they have hundreds of teachers who show up to work everyday and just sit in a room because they can not be around children and can not be fired. There has to be a middle ground.
capitalist pig

Lubbock, TX

#17 Feb 16, 2010
I dont know how many times you want me to say that we would not have the standard of living or the safe working conditions we have in this country without the unions. No union can make a coal mine safe. It is a job that i would never want. My father did it for 13 years and loved it, before he became disabled in a mine fire. Started his own business, which gave us a better life and most people would have considered it a better job, but he would have quit any day and went back to the mines. btw, when he was hurt and tried to get compensation to get back on his feet, we got no help from the union. none. but he still supported the union.
big 1

Sophia, WV

#18 Feb 16, 2010
Bed time for Bonzo Ronnie broke the unions when he fired the air trafic controlers and the whole country did not come to thier defense. As for your porky pig comment have you seen hog head Donnie? If you are a expert on the UMWA what did Trumpka and Roberts do in your opinion that weakend the UMWA. My opinion the selective strike was a bad idea. But I can see why they went that rt. We were starved out and took worse contracts than we were offered earlier on. But we voted up or down on them. I guess we should have went back to the corrupt days of Tony Boyle. I like Cecil Roberts better than Trumpka. But they are-were both good over all. Arnold Miller was a good man but not enough education.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#19 Feb 16, 2010
I dont pretend to be an expert on the UMWA, but they endorsed three enemies of coal for president of the united states in the last three elections.
The UMWA membership, being smarter than their leadership went to the polls and voted for bush and mccain.
How can the leadership of the UMWA endorse candidates that oppose the use of coal?
I have also personally watched UMWA members cross other peoples picket line.
I have never been in a union, but i would never cross a picket line and I have never owned a car that was not made by the UAW.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#20 Feb 16, 2010
I also always appreciate the good job that the ACT does in doing the governments job of keeping illegals off worksites in WV as much as they can.

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