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Beckley, WV

#1 Dec 20, 2012
This article is a little old but if this country wants to keep up the Jones, I mean other countries, then we need to look at what has already happened over gun bans and restrictions in these so called model countries. I've always heard to look at the past as an indicator of the future or the past always repeats itself.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/comment/2...
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Beckley, WV

#2 Dec 20, 2012
Tired of it wrote:
This article is a little old but if this country wants to keep up the Jones, I mean other countries, then we need to look at what has already happened over gun bans and restrictions in these so called model countries. I've always heard to look at the past as an indicator of the future or the past always repeats itself.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/comment/2...
I'm not disputing the figures in this article, but per capita firearm homicide rates paint a different picture. Australia and the UK rank far, far below the U.S.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#3 Dec 20, 2012
Mountaineer wrote:
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I'm not disputing the figures in this article, but per capita firearm homicide rates paint a different picture. Australia and the UK rank far, far below the U.S.
Not to mention that there are a lot of countries in the world that also have very high gun ownership that have much lower murder rates than the US. We have a culture problem, not a gun problem.
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Beckley, WV

#5 Dec 21, 2012
I do believe we have a culture problem. I believe within our culture the more we ban and law ourselves to death the more people will find a way around it. Another thing that comes to mind is what our youth idolize. For instance the "gang" idolization. Gangs represent murder, drugs, "thug" behavior. Lets not leave out the pants hanging off their butts. You tell them where it originated from and they look at you with that deer in the head light look. They cannot make the connection of idolizing prison behavior. I scratch my head they think an "available" signal of a prisoner is a hip clothing style.

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#6 Dec 21, 2012
I agree to a certain extent...In the "old" days you had the good guys and the bad guys in movies for example.. Now you have the "good" guy who is almost as "bad" as the bad guys....
We could always tell..Good guy/white hat..
Bad guy/black hat:)

Sometimes you need a program to tell you who the bad guy is today.
We now have at least one show on television where the lead character is a SERIAL KILLER..

As for a ban on "assault weapons" and going around it, IF they ban a certain weapon, they will have to figure out wording to ban ALL of them which would be more difficult than one might think.

All gun manufactures would have to do is change the weapon in one small way or another and get around the law...

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#7 Dec 21, 2012
Tired of it wrote:
I do believe we have a culture problem. I believe within our culture the more we ban and law ourselves to death the more people will find a way around it. Another thing that comes to mind is what our youth idolize. For instance the "gang" idolization. Gangs represent murder, drugs, "thug" behavior. Lets not leave out the pants hanging off their butts. You tell them where it originated from and they look at you with that deer in the head light look. They cannot make the connection of idolizing prison behavior. I scratch my head they think an "available" signal of a prisoner is a hip clothing style.
Has anyone else noticed that so far none of the "mass" murderers are African American? So much for your "gang" mythology.

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#8 Dec 21, 2012
Shootist wrote:
I agree to a certain extent...In the "old" days you had the good guys and the bad guys in movies for example.. Now you have the "good" guy who is almost as "bad" as the bad guys....
We could always tell..Good guy/white hat..
Bad guy/black hat:)
Sometimes you need a program to tell you who the bad guy is today.
We now have at least one show on television where the lead character is a SERIAL KILLER..
As for a ban on "assault weapons" and going around it, IF they ban a certain weapon, they will have to figure out wording to ban ALL of them which would be more difficult than one might think.
All gun manufactures would have to do is change the weapon in one small way or another and get around the law...
Years ago my son played Pac Man, I think it was called, and while I have not seen any of the recent video games I know that my nephews play them and they're as normal as any kids were when my son was young, so I find it hard to believe that these video games are contributing to these mass murders. Really, the most common denominator that I can see is that these shooters are all mentally ill. Do video games make children mentally ill? I find that hard to believe. Are more children mentally ill than back in my day or your day? It appears to be so. Then what is causing it?

Anybody have an opinion?
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Beckley, WV

#10 Dec 21, 2012
Lesson Learned wrote:
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Has anyone else noticed that so far none of the "mass" murderers are African American? So much for your "gang" mythology.
Point out where I mentioned race? If you read it before jumping to racial conclusions you would have noticed it was a blanket statement and not directly at a particular race. I guess gangs don't kill people.
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Beckley, WV

#11 Dec 21, 2012
Lesson Learned wrote:
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Years ago my son played Pac Man, I think it was called, and while I have not seen any of the recent video games I know that my nephews play them and they're as normal as any kids were when my son was young, so I find it hard to believe that these video games are contributing to these mass murders. Really, the most common denominator that I can see is that these shooters are all mentally ill. Do video games make children mentally ill? I find that hard to believe. Are more children mentally ill than back in my day or your day? It appears to be so. Then what is causing it?
Anybody have an opinion?
Halo or Modern Warfare would blow your mind. It is far from Pac Man I can tell you that. The only thing I agree with you on is the shooters are mentally ill. I do not believe the games are the total answer. I'll pose this question, How much do they contribute to desensitizing people from viewing other people with sympathy and empathy? In my opinion I believe they may play a small part but I believe there are other factors involved besides the video games.

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#12 Dec 21, 2012
Just Me wrote:
From what I read,you don't care about anybodys opinion byt your own.
Nah, just yours, Outsider. Afterall, what could you contribute?

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#13 Dec 21, 2012
Tired of it wrote:
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Point out where I mentioned race? If you read it before jumping to racial conclusions you would have noticed it was a blanket statement and not directly at a particular race. I guess gangs don't kill people.
"For instance the "gang" idolization. Gangs represent murder, drugs, "thug" behavior. Lets not leave out the pants hanging off their butts. You tell them where it originated from and they look at you with that deer in the head light look. They cannot make the connection of idolizing prison behavior."

Does anyone doubt that you were talking about African Americans? We recognize your MO.

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#14 Dec 21, 2012
Tired of it wrote:
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Halo or Modern Warfare would blow your mind. It is far from Pac Man I can tell you that. The only thing I agree with you on is the shooters are mentally ill. I do not believe the games are the total answer. I'll pose this question, How much do they contribute to desensitizing people from viewing other people with sympathy and empathy? In my opinion I believe they may play a small part but I believe there are other factors involved besides the video games.
Finally a sensible comment. If the games were the total answer then all our young people would be mentally ill and out shooting up the neighborhood. I think it is entirely possible that these games do desensitize those who are already mentally ill but surely they don't make sane people ill. So what is the answer? My mom was always a stay at home mom, always there when we came home after school. I worked from the time my son was a couple of years old but he was either with relatives at an early age or in nursery/preschool from when he was 4 years old and he turned out more than fine. So where is this mental illness coming from, or maybe more importantly, why is it only now being acted upon? Or is it more noticeable now that they have access to these weapons where they are able to kill multiple people and thus get into the news? Maybe we have always had these mentally ill people who kill one person in their neighborhood but it never gets into the national news because it's just one person....but now with WMD they can kill many people and get even more notoriety? Do they even care about notoriety? Are we on the wrong track to think that they want notoriety? Or are they just mentally ill and acting out?
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Beckley, WV

#15 Dec 21, 2012
Lesson Learned wrote:
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"For instance the "gang" idolization. Gangs represent murder, drugs, "thug" behavior. Lets not leave out the pants hanging off their butts. You tell them where it originated from and they look at you with that deer in the head light look. They cannot make the connection of idolizing prison behavior."
Does anyone doubt that you were talking about African Americans? We recognize your MO.
Excuse me, my mo? Really? Are you trying to imply I'm being racist? I guess your racist since African Americans are the first thought in your mind with the mention of "gangs".
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Beckley, WV

#16 Dec 21, 2012
Lesson Learned wrote:
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Finally a sensible comment. If the games were the total answer then all our young people would be mentally ill and out shooting up the neighborhood. I think it is entirely possible that these games do desensitize those who are already mentally ill but surely they don't make sane people ill. So what is the answer? My mom was always a stay at home mom, always there when we came home after school. I worked from the time my son was a couple of years old but he was either with relatives at an early age or in nursery/preschool from when he was 4 years old and he turned out more than fine. So where is this mental illness coming from, or maybe more importantly, why is it only now being acted upon? Or is it more noticeable now that they have access to these weapons where they are able to kill multiple people and thus get into the news? Maybe we have always had these mentally ill people who kill one person in their neighborhood but it never gets into the national news because it's just one person....but now with WMD they can kill many people and get even more notoriety? Do they even care about notoriety? Are we on the wrong track to think that they want notoriety? Or are they just mentally ill and acting out?
I won't respond to this for fear it might sound "racist". You bring up some good points but you make it really hard for people to state their perceptions, thoughts, and opinions. If it does not fit your opinion then attack! This conversation was going along just fine until you started your attempt to turn this racist. Does it bother you that bad to see other people have a civil conversation? Even if their opinions differ? You have an ugly soul. Pat yourself on the back, you railroaded another thread.
NC Girl

Beckley, WV

#17 Dec 21, 2012
Lesson Learned wrote:
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Has anyone else noticed that so far none of the "mass" murderers are African American? So much for your "gang" mythology.
Oh my. They kill each other all day long. Are you serious?
Look at their murder rates. If you don't call that mass murder, maybe it should be defined. Whew.

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#18 Dec 21, 2012
Lesson Learned wrote:
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Years ago my son played Pac Man, I think it was called, and while I have not seen any of the recent video games I know that my nephews play them and they're as normal as any kids were when my son was young, so I find it hard to believe that these video games are contributing to these mass murders. Really, the most common denominator that I can see is that these shooters are all mentally ill. Do video games make children mentally ill? I find that hard to believe. Are more children mentally ill than back in my day or your day? It appears to be so. Then what is causing it?
Anybody have an opinion?
My opinion is a lot of it is caused by medications. Antidepressants, specifically. They are not made for children, but are prescribed as if they were handing out a baby aspirin, and those drugs can/will/do lead to criminal behavior. A lot of adults don't react favorably to those drugs, and in kids it can be so much worse. Look at this website sometime. It's frightening what can happen on those drugs.

http://www.ssristories.com/index.php

Other than that, I don't know.

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#19 Dec 22, 2012
Lesson Learned wrote:
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Years ago my son played Pac Man, I think it was called, and while I have not seen any of the recent video games I know that my nephews play them and they're as normal as any kids were when my son was young, so I find it hard to believe that these video games are contributing to these mass murders. Really, the most common denominator that I can see is that these shooters are all mentally ill. Do video games make children mentally ill? I find that hard to believe. Are more children mentally ill than back in my day or your day? It appears to be so. Then what is causing it?
Anybody have an opinion?
Pac Man?...Wouldn't screw up anybody's head:)

Some people may be suseptible to acting out some of these games, but it would have to be very, very, few...but why not a possibility?
There have been movies of fight scenes, gang movies, etc. and people get all pumped up and get in fights as soon as they leave the theatre...Those things have happened.
Society is just getting "meaner" in general.. People used to have disagrements and duke it out, now they reach for a gun.
I have seen television news stories where two people get in a fight, and the crowd standing around encourages it, and some will even join in an start kicking and punching someone knocked down on the ground, like a pack of hungry wolves..It's insane and they
think it's a cool thing to do?

Environmental factors or "medications?"....Cr ap in the atomosphere, what we are eating, drinking etc....A very slight possiblility, but some could be affected.
How many young folks are being fed constant medications for one thing and another...Any out of the "norm" behavior is responded to by giving someone a pill..Half of our kids are walking around doped up most of the time.

Parents and schools telling children they are so special and better than other people..Everyone gets a trophy mentality, and very little emphasis on teaching people to cope with disappointments and failures.
That could also be a factor...Some don't "measure up," or even fail miserably , and they don't know how to deal with it, because they have never been taught how to...Leads to frustration, rage, and sometimes violence..
We have raised a bunch of wussies..Some girl breaks up with her boyfriend, or some woman wants a divorce and what do these idiots do?...kill everybody, girlfriends, wives, kids, etc..



Who knows for sure, probably a combination of a lot of factors and I'm sure other people could come up with other opinions to add to the list.
I do know one thing, we best figure all of this out and get a handle on it while there is still time.

(I'm through with the rant now):)

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#20 Dec 22, 2012
Super Nifty Name wrote:
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My opinion is a lot of it is caused by medications. Antidepressants, specifically. They are not made for children, but are prescribed as if they were handing out a baby aspirin, and those drugs can/will/do lead to criminal behavior. A lot of adults don't react favorably to those drugs, and in kids it can be so much worse. Look at this website sometime. It's frightening what can happen on those drugs.
http://www.ssristories.com/index.php
Other than that, I don't know.
Exactly!
Obama Clooney 2016

Pineville, WV

#21 Dec 22, 2012
Super Nifty Name wrote:
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My opinion is a lot of it is caused by medications. Antidepressants, specifically. They are not made for children, but are prescribed as if they were handing out a baby aspirin, and those drugs can/will/do lead to criminal behavior. A lot of adults don't react favorably to those drugs, and in kids it can be so much worse. Look at this website sometime. It's frightening what can happen on those drugs.
http://www.ssristories.com/index.php
Other than that, I don't know.
Oh boy!!

First it was video games, then Hollywood, and now..........

SSRIs!!

What will it be next?
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#23 Dec 22, 2012
Just Me wrote:
By the time Shootist,LL,Capitalist Pig get done analyizing everything there will be no need to have any specialized medical personnel to get involved. Who could do a better job,the rants and ridiculious comments from these three or the medical professionals who have the degrees and qualified to make the assessiments? Guess that is why this should be a public forum even though they whine like little babies when things don't go their way.
Half the country is talking about what is causing these types of incidents but you use your brain to think up criticisms of the few on Topix who are asking questions and posting theories. Maybe we should talk instead about what causes people like you to attack other posters rather than posting comments that add to the discussion. I guess the art of critical thinking just isn't in your repertoire.

"Intelligent people talk about ideas, average people talk about things, and ignorant people talk about other people."

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