Mountain State president seeks to reassure students about accreditation

Aug 25, 2011 Full story: Charleston Gazette 31

Mountain State University President Charles Polk tried to reassure worried students and others at a community forum in Beckley Thursday evening that the private, nonprofit school could move past its accreditation problems.

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MSU Artis Polk Mislead

United States

#1 Aug 27, 2011
It is terrible to act like everything is okay to student. "The future is bright" This is crazy. Students will lose much credit if they try to transfer and in turn will lose much credit if not all their credit if they stay.

Artis why don't you transfer your son to MSU if you are so confident?

No shame with these people. It is not the schools choice for credit to transfer it is the receiving institution. Moreover, rarely does any graduate credit transfer easily into any program. At best only three courses would transfer into a masterís program.

Student enroll or stay at this school at your own risk. You will regret staying we promise you.

Roslyn Artis, Charles Polk you have NO shame! We believe you will burn burn burn in hell.

Time for Federal investigations.

Everyone contact the HLC, CCNE, NLN, and the attorney generals office of WV.

Retired Ed.D.
Pinocchio

Elkins, WV

#2 Aug 27, 2011
"In a second news release, Polk said that Mountain State would emerge from the show-cause order "as the best institution in West Virginia -- if we're not already."

When do the best institutions get hit with a show cause order? When do the best institutions loose specialized accreditation? When do the best schools start closing programs? This school is the worst school in West Virginia. Over inflated representation goes along with over inflated egos. What facts does MSU have to back up such a statement?
Pinocchio

Elkins, WV

#3 Aug 27, 2011
"If the worst were to happen -- and accreditation was lost -- Polk said, then Mountain State students could keep the credits they'd already gained and transfer to another school."

Very misleading, Polk. Of course they keep the credits they earned. The transcripts will be stamped unaccredited from the date they loose accreditation.

Sure they can transfer to another school. What you did not tell the student is most accredited schools will receive credits at THEIR discretion due to policies varying at the different receiving institutions. Prior credits will likely receive a higher level of scrutiny. The amount that may transfer all depends on the RECEIVING INSTITUTION. Polk should have explained this.

Pinocchio

Elkins, WV

#4 Aug 27, 2011
"Artis explained MSU is currently accredited with the West Virginia Board of Nursing and that all credits that have been accumulated belong to the student and cannot be taken away. If the worst happens, the credits can be transferred, she said."

What a bold statment coming from an attorney. When your credits don't transfer please save this to work towards getting full tuition reimbursed for the entire program plus damages. Be sure to print off the article and save this for future reference.

http://www.register-herald.com/todaysfrontpag...
former student

Mount Hope, WV

#5 Aug 27, 2011
MSU Artis Polk Mislead wrote:
It is terrible to act like everything is okay to student. "The future is bright" This is crazy. Students will lose much credit if they try to transfer and in turn will lose much credit if not all their credit if they stay.
Artis why don't you transfer your son to MSU if you are so confident?
No shame with these people. It is not the schools choice for credit to transfer it is the receiving institution. Moreover, rarely does any graduate credit transfer easily into any program. At best only three courses would transfer into a masterís program.
Student enroll or stay at this school at your own risk. You will regret staying we promise you.
Roslyn Artis, Charles Polk you have NO shame! We believe you will burn burn burn in hell.
Time for Federal investigations.
Everyone contact the HLC, CCNE, NLN, and the attorney generals office of WV.
Retired Ed.D.
And just who made you the judge of who will or will not burn in hell? Only God knows that! If you are retired, then you must have some age on you. Therefore,, I would be thinking of my own salvation instead of someone elses!!!!!!
Credit Lost

Beckley, WV

#6 Aug 27, 2011
Pinocchio wrote:
"Artis explained MSU is currently accredited with the West Virginia Board of Nursing and that all credits that have been accumulated belong to the student and cannot be taken away. If the worst happens, the credits can be transferred, she said."
What a bold statement coming from an attorney. When your credits don't transfer please save this to work towards getting full tuition reimbursed for the entire program plus damages. Be sure to print off the article and save this for future reference.
http://www.register-herald.com/todaysfrontpag...
How will Dr. Artis respond if her claims turn wrong? The statement on the RH-Beckley will be pretty damaging. It can be a double edged sword for Dr. Artis. The town has more law offices than any other business.

Read an update on Nurse Anesthesia Student Lawsuit Part I
http://lawmedconsultant.com/2348/msu-files-an...
Tape record conversations

United States

#7 Aug 28, 2011
Tape recorders 20.00 dollars or so. Money well spent at MSU.

Many former administrators, faculty, and students have been recoring MSU officials for some time now. The time the information is disclosed is undetermined. The time must be right.

Roslyn Artis has provided purposefully omitted and inaccurate information regarding the transferability of courses and other issues.

There is no guarantee regarding the transfer of courses from one institution to another.

For instance, Artis has spoken of "national" accreditation which does not mean much. Regional accreditation is the basic accreditation needed before most all professional and/or specialized accreditation can be sought.

Regarding accreditation, it is the receiving institution that determines the transferability of courses not MSU.

Keep in mind, regional accreditation is the MINIMUM accreditation needed to keep the doors open. They have not even maintained the minimal bench of accreditation.

We recommend tape recording any phone conversations with MSU personnel regarding programmatic accreditation, admissions, and grades among other issues.

The tapes may be admissible in court should they deny promises made in court.

Most judges will allow the tape to be admissible in court depending on circumstances.

Again, protect yourself whether chatting with admissions, financial aide, the business office, or any academic representative of the school.

Tape recorders are around 20.00 if you do not have one. Moreover if you are particularly clever there are pen tape recorders and other devices that can fit in a purse or shirt pocket. This would be money well spent. Protect yourself.

These people will lie like dogs. Protect yourself!

Record, record and record some more!

Artis and the others have very big mouths...there will be much information to document.
Credit Lost wrote:
<quoted text>
How will Dr. Artis respond if her claims turn wrong? The statement on the RH-Beckley will be pretty damaging. It can be a double edged sword for Dr. Artis. The town has more law offices than any other business.
Read an update on Nurse Anesthesia Student Lawsuit Part I
http://lawmedconsultant.com/2348/msu-files-an...

Level 1

Since: Aug 11

United States

#8 Aug 30, 2011
Isn't it strange how MSU went from having fine (overall) accreditation to getting slapped with a show cause order. This is the most severe of all levels. Why didn't they go from fine to probation or a warning? Or even to monitoring? Isn't it also strange how administration from Bluefield State was on the accreditation committee. Talk about a conflict of interest! And now we find out that the president of BS has resigned. Seems strange to me...just saying
Strange

Beckley, WV

#9 Aug 30, 2011
charlie25801 wrote:
Isn't it strange how MSU went from having fine (overall) accreditation to getting slapped with a show cause order. This is the most severe of all levels. Why didn't they go from fine to probation or a warning? Or even to monitoring? Isn't it also strange how administration from Bluefield State was on the accreditation committee. Talk about a conflict of interest! And now we find out that the president of BS has resigned. Seems strange to me...just saying
I agree, things didn't add up until all the peices were put together. It seems like more of a political agenda and less of an academic agenda. It's a shame that all of those students have to either set out a year or sweat for a year to get the final outcome in June. Maybe after MSU makes it through the accreditation process someone should focus their attention of Bluefield State and the President of that school.
Dig in

Elkins, WV

#10 Aug 30, 2011
Strange wrote:
<quoted text>I agree, things didn't add up until all the peices were put together. It seems like more of a political agenda and less of an academic agenda. It's a shame that all of those students have to either set out a year or sweat for a year to get the final outcome in June. Maybe after MSU makes it through the accreditation process someone should focus their attention of Bluefield State and the President of that school.
I guess he had something to do with the nursing loosing accreditation, the shared goverance, and the other violations that MSU has been hit with. Hard pill to swallow....huh?

Since: Jun 11

United States

#11 Aug 30, 2011
Dig in wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess he had something to do with the nursing loosing accreditation, the shared goverance, and the other violations that MSU has been hit with. Hard pill to swallow....huh?
No, those issues are all on MSU, but it does make a person wonder why MSU went from fully accredited for 10 yrs to the worst possible scenario without monitoring. That part looks ugly and seems more like a personal vendetta and a political agenda.
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record record record

Mount Hope, WV

#13 Aug 30, 2011
Tape record conversations wrote:
Tape recorders 20.00 dollars or so. Money well spent at MSU.
Many former administrators, faculty, and students have been recoring MSU officials for some time now. The time the information is disclosed is undetermined. The time must be right.
Roslyn Artis has provided purposefully omitted and inaccurate information regarding the transferability of courses and other issues.
There is no guarantee regarding the transfer of courses from one institution to another.
For instance, Artis has spoken of "national" accreditation which does not mean much. Regional accreditation is the basic accreditation needed before most all professional and/or specialized accreditation can be sought.
Regarding accreditation, it is the receiving institution that determines the transferability of courses not MSU.
Keep in mind, regional accreditation is the MINIMUM accreditation needed to keep the doors open. They have not even maintained the minimal bench of accreditation.
We recommend tape recording any phone conversations with MSU personnel regarding programmatic accreditation, admissions, and grades among other issues.
The tapes may be admissible in court should they deny promises made in court.
Most judges will allow the tape to be admissible in court depending on circumstances.
Again, protect yourself whether chatting with admissions, financial aide, the business office, or any academic representative of the school.
Tape recorders are around 20.00 if you do not have one. Moreover if you are particularly clever there are pen tape recorders and other devices that can fit in a purse or shirt pocket. This would be money well spent. Protect yourself.
These people will lie like dogs. Protect yourself!
Record, record and record some more!
Artis and the others have very big mouths...there will be much information to document.
<quoted text>
Instructors, administrators, financial aid, admissions, keep a tape recorder on you at all times and record any and all conversations you have with other members of MSU staff, administrators, admissions, financial aid, etc., AND your students. That way, YOU will have a record of what you have and haven't said. What is fair for one or a few is fair for all!!
you guys are losers

Beckley, WV

#14 Aug 30, 2011
If you guys hate msu so much, go elsewhere for an education.
Lining pockets with gold

Beckley, WV

#15 Aug 31, 2011
What a fine time to increase the rates for the PA class. $450 per credit hour now. That's for a program who berates the students, treats them like holocaust prisoners, teaches one thing - tests on another, makes students by expensive books that are never used, uses unqualified adjunct faculty, and has padded semester hours with silly courses taught by none other than a vice-presidents daughter. (In this case, I think we all know what 'vice' means.) Their classrooms aren't even properly heated or air conditioned. They are cramped and were former grade school classrooms for 4th graders. Yessireee--------- MSU is robbing those PA students blind. $450 an hour for a school that will lose accreditation.
not a jump

Beckley, WV

#16 Sep 15, 2011
charlie25801 wrote:
Isn't it strange how MSU went from having fine (overall) accreditation to getting slapped with a show cause order. This is the most severe of all levels. Why didn't they go from fine to probation or a warning? Or even to monitoring? Isn't it also strange how administration from Bluefield State was on the accreditation committee. Talk about a conflict of interest! And now we find out that the president of BS has resigned. Seems strange to me...just saying
The University was given plenty of notice. There was over a year's notice that the HLC was reviewing. And I have first hand knowledge, MSU is a mess. They will be lucky if Polk buys off whoever he needs to to keep accreditation. If not, guess he'll write a book about how to run a college into the ground.

I transfer in the Spring to Marshall. And yes, I lost a lot of credit, but it's better than losing it all in June 2012
funny

Beckley, WV

#17 Sep 15, 2011
record record record wrote:
<quoted text>Instructors, administrators, financial aid, admissions, keep a tape recorder on you at all times and record any and all conversations you have with other members of MSU staff, administrators, admissions, financial aid, etc., AND your students. That way, YOU will have a record of what you have and haven't said. What is fair for one or a few is fair for all!!
Great idea. That way maybe they can remember the bullshit the fed us.
which MSU

Beckley, WV

#18 Sep 15, 2011
Strange wrote:
<quoted text>I agree, things didn't add up until all the peices were put together. It seems like more of a political agenda and less of an academic agenda. It's a shame that all of those students have to either set out a year or sweat for a year to get the final outcome in June. Maybe after MSU makes it through the accreditation process someone should focus their attention of Bluefield State and the President of that school.
Which member of MSU administration posted this crap? It's always someone else's fault. Like after the HLC visit last Spring when Polk announced to the faculty and staff in his speech that the HLC was stupid and didn't know what they were talking about. Poor Polk, he is such a victim.
been there

Beckley, WV

#19 Sep 15, 2011
Typical rant by msu whiners: "Victim, Im a victim, help me, I am a victim of the system, I am helpless, please, I Dont know what do do but whine and cry on the internet about how I am too stupid to go to a school I am happy at, I want to stay where I can bitch and make myself and all around me miserable."
Student

Beckley, WV

#20 Sep 15, 2011
mountain state university has nothing to offer a scientific community
been there

Beckley, WV

#21 Sep 15, 2011
Student wrote:
mountain state university has nothing to offer a scientific community
So this affects you how?

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