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capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#1 Dec 30, 2012
What a bunch of corrupt fools we have elected in Washington DC. John Boehner is taking all the heat for the fiscal cliff, when he is the only one who has done his job. Unfortunately with the help of the corrupt liberal press and our failing government school system, the American People have no idea of how a bill becomes law.
ABC used to have a program on Saturday Mornings called School House Rock, one of the segements explained to children how a bill becomes a law. I guess Harry Reid was to old to see it and Obama was too high on pot to remember it.
All revenue bills must start in the House, then go to the Senate. The house has passed a budget. The Senate refuses to vote on the bill or pass one of their own. The senate has the option of amending the bill passed by the house or passing thier own bill and then sending it to a conference commitee composed of members of both houses. Once they come up with a compromise it goes back to each house for approval. Once approved it goes to the President to sign, veto or pocket veto. No where in our constitution does it provide for two leaders with their unelected staffs to go behind closed doors and work out a deal. Nor does it call for congress to negotiate with unelected cabinet officials over the budget. Now in fairness, the house passed a bill that they knew was DOA in the Senate, but it is up to the Senate to make changes and send it back or to conference committe. Instead Harry Reid has not passed a budget in three years. Obama has presented two budgets that could not even get votes from Democrats. Wake up people, it is time to quit playing democrat and republican while these elected thieves shred our constitution and make a mockery of open government.
eyeballs

Beckley, WV

#2 Dec 30, 2012
it will never change its to far gone we have no goverment

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#3 Dec 30, 2012
Why should only Reid and Obama be blamed for the impasse? Your topic name is why we haven't got a deal yet....each side blames the other....like a bunch of grade school kids.

Boehner is afraid he's going to lose his job as speaker and I believe the Democrats are afraid of that same thing. At least Boehner is easier to deal with than some of those other yahoos on the right.

This is pathetic!
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#4 Dec 30, 2012
Lesson Learned wrote:
Why should only Reid and Obama be blamed for the impasse? Your topic name is why we haven't got a deal yet....each side blames the other....like a bunch of grade school kids.
Boehner is afraid he's going to lose his job as speaker and I believe the Democrats are afraid of that same thing. At least Boehner is easier to deal with than some of those other yahoos on the right.
This is pathetic!
Ok let me see if I can explain this is a way your liberal mind can understand. If you have three employees in your business and 1 on them does their job, but two do not, do you blame all three. The house passed a budget. Now you and Obama may not like that budget, but he passed one. The Senate has not. Obama has provided no presidential leadership. My post certainly was no endorsement of Boehner, he is weak. My post was simply about how the process is supposed to work. Once again your blind support of the Emperor makes you seem silly.

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#5 Dec 30, 2012
The House passed a budget that they knew the Senate wouldn't touch so that dog won't hunt. But right now they're trying to reach an agreement on raising taxes on the top 2%. Obama and Boehner had a deal worked out but then Boehner did an about face and brought up his Plan B that he couldn't even get passed in the House. He knows he's going to have to get a bill passed without a majority of his majority and I think he's trying to put it off until after he is reelected as Speaker. He cares more about his job than he does the country.

I wouldn't talk about being silly if I were you.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#6 Dec 30, 2012
Lesson Learned wrote:
The House passed a budget that they knew the Senate wouldn't touch so that dog won't hunt. But right now they're trying to reach an agreement on raising taxes on the top 2%. Obama and Boehner had a deal worked out but then Boehner did an about face and brought up his Plan B that he couldn't even get passed in the House. He knows he's going to have to get a bill passed without a majority of his majority and I think he's trying to put it off until after he is reelected as Speaker. He cares more about his job than he does the country.
I wouldn't talk about being silly if I were you.
Whether or not Boehner passed a good budget is irrelevant. That is not the issue. My post was about how the process is supposed to work. You in no way adressed that issue, you just went on attack mode to protect your Emperor. yep, that is just silly.
Do we really need legislation passed behind closed doors with no open debate? If only a couple of senators and congressman are going to negotiate why do we need 535 dumbasses up there.

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#7 Dec 31, 2012
capitalist pig wrote:
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Whether or not Boehner passed a good budget is irrelevant. That is not the issue. My post was about how the process is supposed to work. You in no way adressed that issue, you just went on attack mode to protect your Emperor. yep, that is just silly.
Do we really need legislation passed behind closed doors with no open debate? If only a couple of senators and congressman are going to negotiate why do we need 535 dumbasses up there.
We certainly don't need the dumbasses we have there now, but it's not Obama's fault for the way Congress is trying to conduct business. And while it's not the fault of just one side, it's more the fault of the rightwing Republicans who refuse to consider raising taxes on anyone, and of Boehner who could get a bill passed with bipartisan support but refuses to offer any bill that won't get majority support from his own party.
capitalist pig

Lubbock, TX

#8 Dec 31, 2012
Lesson Learned wrote:
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We certainly don't need the dumbasses we have there now, but it's not Obama's fault for the way Congress is trying to conduct business. And while it's not the fault of just one side, it's more the fault of the rightwing Republicans who refuse to consider raising taxes on anyone, and of Boehner who could get a bill passed with bipartisan support but refuses to offer any bill that won't get majority support from his own party.
Where are the spending cuts. The republicans with some backbone should be congratulated for not giving into Obama with no spending cuts. The democrats have played that game too many times. Obama is willing to take the country over the fisical cliff just to satisfy his own class warfare ambitions. What a sad excuse for a Presdient. If Obama got all the tax increases he wants, it does nothing to cut the deficit. Do you really thing it is worth it to take the country back into recession for 8 days worth of government spending. I hope they take it over the damn cliff and Obama voters get what they asked for. The rest of us have to suffer with them, but maybe they will learn.

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#9 Dec 31, 2012
If we don't get an agreement then we will definitely be in another recession...that's what Obama and the Democrats are fighting against, and rightwingers are all for going over a cliff just to prove a point. Obama agreed to extending the Bush tax cuts last year but that gave Republicans the idea that Obama was a pushover...guess they're about to learn differently. But this fight is not over...more to come with spending cuts and debt ceiling....sigh!
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#10 Dec 31, 2012
Lesson Learned wrote:
If we don't get an agreement then we will definitely be in another recession...that's what Obama and the Democrats are fighting against, and rightwingers are all for going over a cliff just to prove a point. Obama agreed to extending the Bush tax cuts last year but that gave Republicans the idea that Obama was a pushover...guess they're about to learn differently. But this fight is not over...more to come with spending cuts and debt ceiling....sigh!
What spending cuts? Even the Republicans aren't cutting spending. It is Obama that is taking everyone over the cliff for 8 days of government spending.

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Beckley, WV

#11 Dec 31, 2012
This seems as if it is a private chat.....soooooo i won't comment :/

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#12 Jan 1, 2013
capitalist pig wrote:
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What spending cuts? Even the Republicans aren't cutting spending. It is Obama that is taking everyone over the cliff for 8 days of government spending.
Everyone, including Obama, the Democrats in congress, and myself, knows that spending has to be cut. Republicans want to cut just programs for poor people and the middle class....programs that allow them to keep their heads above water in this economy where the rich get richer and everybody else gets poorer. The Democrats want to cut programs that benefit the rich, such as energy and farm subsidies, and low taxes for interest and capital gains.

Oh, there will be battles ahead. Obama appears to be coming around to the position that the 14th Amendment gives him the right to continue to borrow money to pay the bills of the United States, regardless of a debt ceiling.

"Amendment XIV, Section 4: The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."
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#14 Jan 1, 2013
Just Me wrote:
If you look anything like the dog you have pictured,I can understand why you like Obammy. Guess that long tongue probably tickles your fancy. Keep taking up for your monkey and see what it eventually gets you and your lemmings.
You're a very sick person, you should get some help for your mental deficiencies.

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#15 Jan 1, 2013
It's a damned shame that people can't have a serious conversation on Topix without ignorant, racist, perverted idiots putting in their two cents worth that adds nothing to the discussion.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#16 Jan 1, 2013
JamieWV wrote:
This seems as if it is a private chat.....soooooo i won't comment :/
Jamie, you are always welcome. Just seems no one else was interested in this topic.
capitalist pig

Beckley, WV

#17 Jan 1, 2013
Lesson Learned wrote:
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Everyone, including Obama, the Democrats in congress, and myself, knows that spending has to be cut. Republicans want to cut just programs for poor people and the middle class....programs that allow them to keep their heads above water in this economy where the rich get richer and everybody else gets poorer. The Democrats want to cut programs that benefit the rich, such as energy and farm subsidies, and low taxes for interest and capital gains.
Oh, there will be battles ahead. Obama appears to be coming around to the position that the 14th Amendment gives him the right to continue to borrow money to pay the bills of the United States, regardless of a debt ceiling.
"Amendment XIV, Section 4: The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."
It is not possible to have an intellegent discussion with you on this subject if you want to stick to your class warfare.
Let him try the 14th amendment. Dont think it will stand a court challenge. Congress controls the purse strings, they can always vote to defund things.

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#18 Jan 1, 2013
So I just heard on television that the reason Cantor doesn't like this Senate bill is because the tax cuts for the 98% of people (George Bush's tax cuts) will increase the debt by $4 trillion over the next ten years and Cantor wants spending cuts to offset that. Let me get this straight. The rightwingers didn't want to raise taxes on anybody...so are we to assume that if the Senate had not agreed to raise taxes for the top 2% that the Republicans would have wanted spending cuts to offset all of George Bush's tax cuts in order to avert the fiscal cliff?

You can't make this sh*t up!

Cantor must be out of his mind.

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#19 Jan 1, 2013
capitalist pig wrote:
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It is not possible to have an intellegent discussion with you on this subject if you want to stick to your class warfare.
Let him try the 14th amendment. Dont think it will stand a court challenge. Congress controls the purse strings, they can always vote to defund things.
I don't think the Republican rightwingers have enough votes to pass anything by themselves whereas the Democrats can pick up enough moderate Republican votes to get some bills passed. I think some of the moderates are tired of being at the bottom of the opinion polls.

The Republicans trot out the same moderates to speak on television but if more of the rightwingers were interviewed I think the country would see just how far out of step with ordinary Americans they are, like those four rightwingers who lost their elections because of their comments about rape being God's will, and women's bodies shutting down, etc., etc.
Sally26

Circle Pines, MN

#20 Jan 1, 2013
OMG!!!! I was just listening to CNN and the fiscal cliff updates. It is shocking how biased and downright uncouth all of the CNN pundits, who call themselves reporters, are on the fiscal cliff talks. They are openly vilifying Repubs and elevating Dems with personal attacks and innuendo. Unbelievable. Even for CNN. It is little wonder that liberals really think the government is run by Dem kings and gods and the Repubs are satan. The CNN brainwashing and censorship is really remarkable. Hitler, Stalin, Castro and Kim Jung-il would be very proud indeed of CNN.

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#21 Jan 1, 2013
I have to agree with CP on this one. Where are the spending cuts?

Extending unemployment benefits for another 52 weeks?!? The old max was a year and 7 days, plus state extensions, which put the level out to 99 weeks. Passage of another 52 weeks extends the benefit out to nearly three years.

It's financially impossible... you cannot even come remotely close to solving this country's economic problems on tax increases alone.

We need spending cuts too.

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