Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Excuse Me

Piqua, OH

#24442 Apr 26, 2013
S0cial W0rker wrote:
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It is a wealthy community. You people need to start shopping at Kroger and drive cheaper cars. Duh.
Simple math!
As good neighbors and responsible citizens, our family shops at Wal-Mart, because that's where we get "the most bang for our buck" in good eats! On average, our family saves $10-$12 weekly at Wal-Mart over Kroger prices, while purchasing the same brand name foods and products.
Businesses that are free from forced union dues are free to offer products and services to customers, at a greater cost-savings than workplaces that allow forced union dues. Those union dues are Huge, and Taxpayers never get a break from the heravy burden of forced unionism, from which our state political system benefits so richly!
In our Springboro school district, the cost to taxpayers to employ our Social Worker is also a Huge expense! It is easy to see why Social Worker, who earns a whopping $60,000/yearly salary PLUS "who knows how much in compensation/benefits packages!"
For Sure, our Springboro Schools Social Worker IS wealthy!
Excuse Me

Piqua, OH

#24443 Apr 26, 2013
...hey there Wealthy Social Worker...
is this the SIMPLE Math to which you refer?

@Just Watching:
Electives at the Junior High School have not raised the math scores that show 54% of the kids scoring below 63% on the OAA math test in 2012, 2011, 2010, etc,etc.

If you think this year will be any better, of the 7th graders last year, 54% scored below 63% on the OAA 7th grade math test.
Reject Forced Unionism

Piqua, OH

#24444 Apr 26, 2013
S0cial W0rker wrote:
<quoted text>
It is a wealthy community. You people need to start shopping at Kroger and drive cheaper cars. Duh.
Simple math!
hmmmm... betcha Springboro parents and taxpaying homeowners would get more bang for their buck in education with services from teachers enjoying freedom in the workplace.
Just Racist

Dayton, OH

#24445 Apr 27, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
<quoted text>
You tell me, why it wouldn't?
Because all children are created equal! Unless you believe otherwise. So I'm going to ask again why would 20% be "sterling" for Dayton children?
Genius

Dayton, OH

#24446 Apr 27, 2013
Lurker wrote:
<quoted text>
Any ideas on how to collect the student fees? this makes me angry as a parent who pays my debts!
Why don't you find out how many students graduate from HS or leave the district without their parents paying their fees. If it's more than 10 percent then we have a problem. How about we get the $939,000.00 that Kohls defaulted on with her bankruptcy. That should cover all school fees for at least five years.
Genius

Dayton, OH

#24447 Apr 27, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
Going to the board meeting tonight I hear concern about levies and money that the district needs. We speak about the need for more teachers. I suggest perhaps we stop giving money due to us away. Thus far this year I have witnessed $90,000 donated to the Springboro Youth Basketball,$233,000 in uncollected school fees,$55,000 or so per year taken by the boosters from athletic funding (the amount was most likely double that as no cash was figured into the equation. I mean a guy who has the kahones to write blatant checks to himself is probably not going to worry about taking uncounted cash)
How much stuff would an extra $400,000 per year buy? That would pay for 7 new teachers at the Junior high specializing in math, science, and english.
Or $400,000 would pay for the $95,000 the tech department needs to implement their 21st Century Classroom plus have enough to provide 600 more Chrome Books (laptops for kids)
Or $400,000 would pay for the new women's locker room, the refurbishment of the weight room for the girls, tiling the girls softball field, put a nice downpayment towards the Careflight field turf, redo the track surface, replace the pole vault and high jump pits.
The idea that we go back to the past where we up charged those who were fool enough to pay an additional 25% to get some more money is a certifiable nonstarter.
There is plenty of money in the budget to do most of the things that NEED to be done to enhance our children's learning and experience if we just get serious about husbanding our resources.
What could $939,000.00 buy?
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#24448 Apr 27, 2013
Genius wrote:
<quoted text>
What could $939,000.00 buy?
Are you now telling us that the school system has now mishandled $939,000?
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#24449 Apr 27, 2013
Just Racist wrote:
<quoted text>
Because all children are created equal! Unless you believe otherwise. So I'm going to ask again why would 20% be "sterling" for Dayton children?
Well it seems sterling to a certain union based crowd in Springboro. So why shouldn't it be good enough for the schools in Dayton? Then the children of Dayton too could be considered "excellent with distinction".
Get Real

Piqua, OH

#24450 Apr 27, 2013
Genius wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you find out how many students graduate from HS or leave the district without their parents paying their fees. If it's more than 10 percent then we have a problem. How about we get the $939,000.00 that Kohls defaulted on with her bankruptcy. That should cover all school fees for at least five years.
How silly it is for idiot to use the name genius on this blog!

No matter the name, stupid IS as stupid says!
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#24451 Apr 27, 2013
Genius wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you find out how many students graduate from HS or leave the district without their parents paying their fees. If it's more than 10 percent then we have a problem. How about we get the $939,000.00 that Kohls defaulted on with her bankruptcy. That should cover all school fees for at least five years.
Seing as how you do not seem to be able to do anything above smearing anyone with a reasoned opinion, let me see how you smear the system that produces these results year in and year out.

Year after year after year. Note the downward spiral and the number of children that move down the scale rather than up the scale from third to 8th grade.

Just Watching wrote:
3rd Grade 2009-2010 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......52 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 3rd grade
.
Limited.......... 14 Students
Limited.......... 39% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -24 correct answers =(0-46% correct)
.
Basic..........46 Students
Basic ..........55% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--25 - 32 correct answers =(48-62% correct)
.
Proficient........158 Students
Proficient........72% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -33-41 correct answers =(63-79% correct)
.
Accelerated.....124 Students
Accelerated.....84% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--42 -45 correct answers =(81-87% correct)
.
Advanced........124 Students
Advanced........93% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--46 -52 correct answers =(88-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......59 Students
Percentage of Students.....13% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......83 Students
Percentage of Students.....18% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........127 Students
Percentage of Students.....27% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........149 Students
Percentage of Students.....32% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....46 Students
Percentage of Students....10% receiving A
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#24452 Apr 27, 2013
FOURTH GRADE

4th Grade 2010-2011 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......52 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 4th grade
.
Limited.......... 8 Students
Limited.......... 25% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -16 correct answers =(0-31% correct)
.
Basic..........32 Students
Basic ..........57% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--17 - 24 correct answers =(33-46% correct)
.
Proficient........108 Students
Proficient........60% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -25-36 correct answers =(48-69% correct)
.
Accelerated.....104 Students
Accelerated.....76% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--37 -42 correct answers =(63-81% correct)
.
Advanced........176 Students
Advanced........83% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--43 -52 correct answers =(83-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......104 Students
Percentage of Students.....24% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......76 Students
Percentage of Students.....18% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........93 Students
Percentage of Students.....22% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........98 Students
Percentage of Students.....23% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....57 Students
Percentage of Students....13% receiving A
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#24453 Apr 27, 2013
SAME kids now in FIFTH GRADE

5th Grade 2011-2012 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......52 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 5th grade
.
Limited.......... 20 Students
Limited.......... 25% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -17 correct answers =(0-33% correct)
.
Basic..........35 Students
Basic ..........40% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--18 - 23 correct answers =(34-44% correct)
.
Proficient........107 Students
Proficient........54% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -24-32 correct answers =(46-62% correct)
.
Accelerated.....76 Students
Accelerated.....67% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--33 -37 correct answers =(63-71% correct)
.
Advanced........213 Students
Advanced........82% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--38 -52 correct answers =(73-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......162 Students
Percentage of Students.....36% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......95 Students
Percentage of Students.....21% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........90 Students
Percentage of Students.....20% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........77 Students
Percentage of Students.....17% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....27 Students
Percentage of Students....6% receiving A
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#24454 Apr 27, 2013
Kids in SIXTH GRADE, lets follow their progress through Intermediate School and Junior High

6th Grade 2009-2010 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......50 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 6th grade
.
Limited.......... 12 Students
Limited.......... 18% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -12 correct answers =(0-18% correct)
.
Basic..........13 Students
Basic ..........31% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--13- 19 correct answers =(26-38% correct)
.
Proficient........96 Students
Proficient........47% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -20-27 correct answers =(40-54% correct)
.
Accelerated.....104 Students
Accelerated.....62% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--28 -36 correct answers =(60-72% correct)
.
Advanced........176 Students
Advanced........80% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--37 -50 correct answers =(74-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......209 Students
Percentage of Students.....49% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......93 Students
Percentage of Students.....22% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........73 Students
Percentage of Students.....17% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........42 Students
Percentage of Students.....10% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....9 Students
Percentage of Students......2% receiving A
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#24455 Apr 27, 2013
Same kids now in Junior High SEVENTH GRADE

What did the children learn in grades 1-6 in Springboro?
Only 21% scored better than 75% on the 7th grade OAA Math test.

21%

7th Grade 2010-2011 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......50 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 7th grade
.
Limited.......... 8 Students
Limited.......... 17% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -9 correct answers =(0-18% correct)
.
Basic..........35 Students
Basic ..........27% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--10- 16 correct answers =(20-32% correct)
.
Proficient........161 Students
Proficient........47% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -17-29 correct answers =(34-58% correct)
.
Accelerated.....95 Students
Accelerated.....65% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--30 -36 correct answers =(60-72% correct)
.
Advanced........104 Students
Advanced........81% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--37 -50 correct answers =(74-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......239 Students
Percentage of Students.....59% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......79 Students
Percentage of Students.....20% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........60 Students
Percentage of Students.....15% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........25 Students
Percentage of Students.....6% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....2 Students
Percentage of Students......0% receiving A
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#24456 Apr 27, 2013
Same kids now in the EIGHTH GRADE

Ask the union to address this issue during negotiation and then see how their pay looks.

8th Grade 2011-2012 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......50 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 8th grade
.
Limited.......... 3 Students
Limited.......... 20% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -10 correct answers =(0-20% correct)
.
Basic..........25 Students
Basic ..........27% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--11- 15 correct answers =(22-30% correct)
.
Proficient........174 Students
Proficient........47% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -16-29 correct answers =(32-58% correct)
.
Accelerated.....159 Students
Accelerated.....67% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--30 -36 correct answers =(60-72% correct)
.
Advanced........77 Students
Advanced........85% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--37 -50 correct answers =(74-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......239 Students
Percentage of Students.....55% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......108 Students
Percentage of Students.....25% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........49 Students
Percentage of Students.....11% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........36 Students
Percentage of Students.....8% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....6 Students
Percentage of Students.....1% receiving A
.
.
.
Is this the level of achievement to which we wish to aspire in Springboro?
.
Is this the best we are capable of given our resources?
.
Should we continue to allow the schools and the state to hide behind euphemisms rather than actual achievement?
.
Demand better, our children and taxpayers deserve a real return on our investment in our schools.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#24457 Apr 27, 2013
Try showing as much passion about the 2000 plus kids in our school district that are not getting the education the taxpayers are funding.

Those who would hide behind the low bar set by the state know full well that PROFICIENT is a nice sounding euphemism for FAILURE,

PROFICIENT = FAILURE
Support Our Success

Piqua, OH

#24458 Apr 28, 2013
pay wrote:
<quoted text>
Its called a starting point. So is the BOE's proposal. Thats why everyone should let them negotiate first before we say the sky is falling.
Totally Agree! Why not focus on Supporting Our Success in Springboro Schools, being accomplished by our children first budgeting principals, ensuring our classroom teachers the reasources needed for successful teaching?

Inquiring minds are now asking if the latest red ribbon "support our teachers" campaign is not symbolism over substance. Are there any among our parents and community members who do not support our teachers?
We can all rally the red in support of our teacher’s rights to negotiate themselves A Fair Day's Pay For A Fair Day's Work;
But, can we all support the “status quo business as usual” old, outdated teachers union rights to walk out on our children's classroom education?
Why not add a white ribbon in support of our students' rights to receive a quality education, while keeping the costs of that education affordable for Springboro parents and taxpaying homeowners?
Red and white ribbons showing strong support for our teachers and children are made strongest by adding a blue ribbon of support for our school board representatives, school district administrative staff, and school district taxpayers? Can our community as a whole support our teachers and staff separate from support of our school district taxpayers and their elected officials?
Why not rally for the unity of red, white, and blue supporting substance over symbolism? Let's all rally in support of ALL working together to ensure that the children of the Springboro community receive an excellent education while keeping the costs of that education affordable, by carefully adhering to responsible spending!
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#24459 Apr 28, 2013
Another glimpse into the future of negotiations in Springboro when they are lead by outside forces with their own personal agenda and not the best interest of our children at heart.

The Cleveland Plain Dealer has featured this manual in an article about the Strongsville teacher strike. The NEA, OEA and SEA are calling it a forgery.

http://www.cleveland.com/strongsville/index.s...

Just like in the movie the "Wizard of OZ", I think they don't like it when the curtain is pulled back and the public can see who they really are.

You be the judge.

The http://strikefacts.com/ web site that is referenced in the CPD article is interesting.
Observer

Lebanon, OH

#24460 Apr 28, 2013
After church we had lunch with my wife's sister who is a special ed teacher in Loveland. She told us that she and her friends were talking about how they couldn't afford to be on strike for two months like the teachers in Strongsville.
She said they were worried after watching what the OEA did up north and they didn't want to do what those teacher had to do to get the same contract they were offered two months ago. She got kind of teary eyed at the thought of going a couple months without pay and I know she isn't one sitting around with two months worth of living expenses she can live off of in an emergency. She got more worried when we told her about the opening bid by the OEA in Springboro.
Set the Record Straight

Piqua, OH

#24461 Apr 28, 2013
In the Springboro Sun news article of April 25, David Bowman, states: "The board's goal should be to strengthen the district's educational system, not to try to prove a political point."
Really? And what "political" point would that be?
Could it be the "point" that our Springboro Board of Education representatives are committed to assuring a strong, quality classroom education for every Springboro student, while living within the school district's financial means?
In the same news article, Mr. Bowman goes on to opine....
"it appears to many that the board's proposed contract was written with the goal of forcing the teachers to strike, which is sad."

To many of those who support our success in Springboro Schools and support the leadership of our school board, it appears Mr. Bowman’s war of words suggest,
IF teachers strike, then it is at the board's "forcing?"
Springboro parents and taxpaying voters in this school district want to make sure to Set The Record Straight here...
The board cannot force the teachers to strike!
IF the SEA chooses to strike, the SEA must also claim sole responsibility of walking out on our children., and not be believed when the SEA tries to “blame it on the board for forcing a strike.”

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