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Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#22768 Dec 13, 2012
Test standards from the ODE website. The Standards shows the translation betwenn raw scores on each test and the final scale translation. How this translation is accomplished I have no idea, but obfuscation would seem to be its ultimate goal. Effectively each test has 38 questions (items) some are worth 1 point, others 2, some 3 0r 4. Your raw score is determined by what combination of these questions you answer correctly.

Math for instance, 46 possible points available

score 34.5-46 correct answers - 75%-100%- labeled Advanced
28.0-34 correct answers - 61%-74%- labeled Accelerated
19.5-27.5 correct answers - 42%-60%- labeled Proficient
14.0-19.0 correct answers - 30%-41%- labeled Basic
0.0-13.5 correct answers - 0%-29%- labeled Limited

After observing the way the audience applauded when told that 85% of one school was proficient, I felt it was time to define what proficient actually represents.

How many parents in this district slap their kid on the back when they come home with a 48% on a test and tell them how proud they are of their accomplishment?

We have the resources, the parents, and the teachers to do so much better.

Our goal and focus should be to drive every child into the 75-100% range, anything short of that is failure on all of our parts.
Why are we celebrating failure as our goal?

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#22769 Dec 13, 2012
Answer wrote:
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The answer, my friend, is blowing in the hot air expounded by the city council member/local pastor. It is understood that the food bank was started by the city council member/pastor's church; but then was transferred to the city government under the "wings" of the Springboro Community Assistance program, and under the direction of the Springboro School employee, Wendy Ford (who at last check was earning a hefty $60,000 plus handsome benefits packages off the school district taxpayers.
It is understood that this food bank was first moved into Clearcreek elementary; and according to local newspapers, Wendy Ford had disputes with volunteers at the time and then the volunteers were pushed out; later the Springboro Community Assitance was highlighted in the local paper detailing the new location at Jonathan Wright and the volunteer service of a local interior designer who would make the center attractive and colorful for the poor and hungry Springborians coming in for help from the government program.
Clearly the answer is yes, the food bank duplicates services that are widely available through county services and churches/charitable services; but for some silly reason our "affluent" community of Springboro offers "designer charity."
It is also a fact that Bruce Moore turned away food stuffs from a local bakery a few years ago because he had a hard-on for the person donating it. Man of the cloth?....PLEASEEEEE
Answer

Piqua, OH

#22770 Dec 13, 2012
Just Watching wrote:
Test standards from the ODE website. The Standards shows the translation betwenn raw scores on each test and the final scale translation. How this translation is accomplished I have no idea, but obfuscation would seem to be its ultimate goal. Effectively each test has 38 questions (items) some are worth 1 point, others 2, some 3 0r 4. Your raw score is determined by what combination of these questions you answer correctly.
Math for instance, 46 possible points available
score 34.5-46 correct answers - 75%-100%- labeled Advanced
28.0-34 correct answers - 61%-74%- labeled Accelerated
19.5-27.5 correct answers - 42%-60%- labeled Proficient
14.0-19.0 correct answers - 30%-41%- labeled Basic
0.0-13.5 correct answers - 0%-29%- labeled Limited
After observing the way the audience applauded when told that 85% of one school was proficient, I felt it was time to define what proficient actually represents.
How many parents in this district slap their kid on the back when they come home with a 48% on a test and tell them how proud they are of their accomplishment?
We have the resources, the parents, and the teachers to do so much better.
Our goal and focus should be to drive every child into the 75-100% range, anything short of that is failure on all of our parts.
Why are we celebrating failure as our goal?
You ask: "Why we celebrating failure as our goal?"

The answer my friend is blowing in the hot air projected in the school superintendents District Parent Council agenda-- just get out there and whip up a frenszy of "how great our teachers art" so that the teachers union can keep control of that $1700 per child from the "state."
The teachers union priority is all about money and power and who is in control. Not to worry if the child's individual needs could be met better by transferring that $1700 to a specialized education. An illustration of this was seen on the recent TV broadcast of a public school board meeting. One parent said that her child was gifted past the knowledge of college educated parents so she had to let the teacher know that her child needed extra challenges in the classroom; this parent felt that our school district should hire more teachers to give gifted students individualized attention and not considering conversion/charter schools to better meet the individual student since this could possibly take funds out of the teachers unions classrooms.
hungry heart

Germantown, OH

#22771 Dec 13, 2012
Food bank wrote:
Like in everything else, springboro people don't want to use the already established warren county services. There is already a fully operational foodbank run by the Franklin Area Community Services and funded by the United Way. It has been operating since 1979 as a 501 C 3 nonprofit and serves springboro, franklin, Carlisle, and franklin township and clearcreek township.
It is well run and has regular donations from local grocery stores, restauraunts and groups and individuals.
So, why does Springboro have to have their own food bank, at the expense of the taxpayers when there is already the same service available? If you need help in Springboro, are you "too good" to have to go to Franklin?
Oh, I think I understand!
What you're telling us is those individuals and families here in Springboro who consider themselves currently down on their luck are permitted to possess all right to maintain a certain level of that good ol' Boro pretentiousness!
Question

Piqua, OH

#22772 Dec 13, 2012
hungry heart wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I think I understand!
What you're telling us is those individuals and families here in Springboro who consider themselves currently down on their luck are permitted to possess all right to maintain a certain level of that good ol' Boro pretentiousness!
That's exactly right.

Another example of prideful "pretentiousness" is taxing school district voters to pay for the services of school employee Wendy Ford. And why is it that taxpayers cannot be told exactly what service it is that she renders to our students to merit this high administrative cost to our school district?
it is all about me

Dayton, OH

#22773 Dec 13, 2012
hungry heart wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I think I understand!
What you're telling us is those individuals and families here in Springboro who consider themselves currently down on their luck are permitted to possess all right to maintain a certain level of that good ol' Boro pretentiousness!
hell ya...everyone knows nothin in springboro stinks, except the city council.
hungry heart

Germantown, OH

#22774 Dec 13, 2012
Food bank wrote:
<quoted text>
Since "designer charity" is using the taxpayers money to provide space in JW, the BOE should reconsider the rationale that is being used by those who insist that JW is self supporting. First, I don't believe the church is paying enough to cover upkeep, heat, air conditioning in summer, security of building, cost of janitors, insurance, regular maintenance, snow removal, grass mowing and all other expense items in keeping a building of that size open and running.
Second, duplication of efforts for a food pantry system that is already operating well in the county is a waste of time and money. If you need help, people and organizations are there to help. But there is no need to duplicate systems already in place so that the "poor Springborians who have lost their jobs, through no fault of their own, and live in ritzy subdivisions, but can't afford food" don't have to demean themselves by driving to Franklin.
Has anyone considered the tax consequences of the school running a "business" by making money renting a building that is not in service as a school.
If they think about it hard enough even the most elitist of starving Boroians might find an excuse to cross "to the other side of the tracks". Franklin truly has one helluva nice library. For those without enough clothes and blankets, Franklin's library is spacious & very warm. You know you're throwing money down the loo if you're giving Rumpke or WM those empty Guinness cans. Buy a can-crusher. Mindlin in Franklin pays CASH for cans.
Starving Boroians, just think of the gasoline that can be saved! All of this can be accomplished in one trip in one day while pillaging Franklin's Food Bank!
Food bank

Royal Oak, MI

#22775 Dec 13, 2012
hungry heart wrote:
<quoted text>
If they think about it hard enough even the most elitist of starving Boroians might find an excuse to cross "to the other side of the tracks". Franklin truly has one helluva nice library. For those without enough clothes and blankets, Franklin's library is spacious & very warm. You know you're throwing money down the loo if you're giving Rumpke or WM those empty Guinness cans. Buy a can-crusher. Mindlin in Franklin pays CASH for cans.
Starving Boroians, just think of the gasoline that can be saved! All of this can be accomplished in one trip in one day while pillaging Franklin's Food Bank!
Is this a poor attempt at sarcasm, or are you just an idiot?
hungry heart

Germantown, OH

#22776 Dec 14, 2012
Food bank wrote:
<quoted text>
Is this a poor attempt at sarcasm, or are you just an idiot?
Then again there are others among the pretentious who lack a sufficiently developed sense of humor.
Due U Know

Piqua, OH

#22777 Dec 16, 2012
hungry heart wrote:
<quoted text>
If they think about it hard enough even the most elitist of starving Boroians might find an excuse to cross "to the other side of the tracks". Franklin truly has one helluva nice library. For those without enough clothes and blankets, Franklin's library is spacious & very warm. You know you're throwing money down the loo if you're giving Rumpke or WM those empty Guinness cans. Buy a can-crusher. Mindlin in Franklin pays CASH for cans.
Starving Boroians, just think of the gasoline that can be saved! All of this can be accomplished in one trip in one day while pillaging Franklin's Food Bank!
Boroians can proudly cross to the other side embracing all the niceness of the Franklin library since Springboro residents have already been taxed our dues to support with our hard earned tax dollars the Franklin library (in addition to supporting the Springboro library).
Even so, Boroians seem to prefer the elite services of the Centerville-Washington Twp public library (based on the large number of cars parked with panther paws and god loves panthers bumper stickers).
Due U Know

Piqua, OH

#22778 Dec 16, 2012
During 2012 property values in our school district went down; but our personal property taxes increased because of a MRDD levy; Clearcreek Twp government collected MORE taxes from homewoners than the government needed; but refused to give homeowners a tax holiday in 2013; but instead spent over $10,000 to conduct a community survey of "customer satisfaction" with the manner in which the Clearcreek Twp government spends our tax dollars; so that the customer satisfaction survey could be promoted to prove that voters in Springboro/Clearcreek Twp wants a fire levy on the 2013 ballot.
Due U Know that the only thing proven by our local government actions is EXCESSIVE SPENDING and we all know that EXCESSIVE SPENDING proves the words of Ronald Reagan to be true:
"Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other."
Sunday brunch

Germantown, OH

#22779 Dec 16, 2012
Do not blame guns.
Guns are not the problem.
The real problem is what drives people to want to kill in the first place.
Anger and envy are being encouraged by the entertainment and news media.
Video games teach foolish people that death isn't even permanent because the victim gets up and walks away.
Our real societal problem is a lack of self discipline or self control.
The real blame for any kiling goes to the psychologists who told us to express our anger and all of our emotions: "Let it all hang out". So today we have mass shootings, road rage, and muffin tops.

The ugliest truth is the fact that we don't care much about our children. We'll have them killed before they are born if they are viewed as inconvenient in our lives. After we allow them to be born we warehouse them in human kennels a.k.a. daycare centers. Then we send them to government run indoctrination centers where they are taught to hate and envy because there is no god. Before kids hit puberty, schools are teaching them sexual propaganda and we stand around sratching our heads wondering why our adult children are developing into such awful dysfunctional parents.
Meantime the schools continue to teach reading with methods they have known do not work for more than 50 years.

Again, do not blame guns.
A gun can not make a conscious decision.
A gun cannot pull its own trigger.
The key to ending this kind of violence is as an entire society, gradually changing the way we treat and view ourselves.
It is Written

Piqua, OH

#22780 Dec 16, 2012
"Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all problems men face, if we'd only look there." - Ronald Reagan

How sad it is that two clear paths to our children's future was given to voters on November 6, 2012, and Vote for Revenge was the choice of the majority of losers across America over the winning Vote for Biblical Values.

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#22781 Dec 16, 2012
Due U Know wrote:
During 2012 property values in our school district went down; but our personal property taxes increased because of a MRDD levy; Clearcreek Twp government collected MORE taxes from homewoners than the government needed; but refused to give homeowners a tax holiday in 2013; but instead spent over $10,000 to conduct a community survey of "customer satisfaction" with the manner in which the Clearcreek Twp government spends our tax dollars; so that the customer satisfaction survey could be promoted to prove that voters in Springboro/Clearcreek Twp wants a fire levy on the 2013 ballot.
Due U Know that the only thing proven by our local government actions is EXCESSIVE SPENDING and we all know that EXCESSIVE SPENDING proves the words of Ronald Reagan to be true:
"Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other."
tried to tell the folks that over a year ago...most of them voted Wade's boy in anyway.
Sunday brunch

Germantown, OH

#22782 Dec 16, 2012
It is Written wrote:
"Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all problems men face, if we'd only look there." - Ronald Reagan
How sad it is that two clear paths to our children's future was given to voters on November 6, 2012, and Vote for Revenge was the choice of the majority of losers across America over the winning Vote for Biblical Values.
"But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."

1 Timothy 5:8
Uno Vote

Piqua, OH

#22783 Dec 17, 2012
John Parise wrote:
<quoted text>
tried to tell the folks that over a year ago...most of them voted Wade's boy in anyway.
Thank you for your help in spreading the truth. Let's just stay to the task during the challenges of 2013 and always be encouraged that "every one who is popular is not right; and everyone who is right is not popular." (and not one of us has to be an elected officical to do just do the right thing).
ridiculous

Dayton, OH

#22784 Dec 18, 2012
I disagree. I love the Franklin Library. Plus, I think the staff is much more helpful than Centerville.
Due U Know wrote:
<quoted text>
Boroians can proudly cross to the other side embracing all the niceness of the Franklin library since Springboro residents have already been taxed our dues to support with our hard earned tax dollars the Franklin library (in addition to supporting the Springboro library).
Even so, Boroians seem to prefer the elite services of the Centerville-Washington Twp public library (based on the large number of cars parked with panther paws and god loves panthers bumper stickers).
Interesting News

Piqua, OH

#22785 Dec 18, 2012
Another sports scam being "kicked" around in Clearcreek Township.

www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/local_news/Court-hearin...
Twp resident

Germantown, OH

#22786 Dec 18, 2012
Interesting News wrote:
Another sports scam being "kicked" around in Clearcreek Township.
www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/local_news/Court-hearin...
Speaking from a VERY BAD past experience, parents really need to examine the ins and outs of their child's sports clubs. Before signing anything casually ask to meet the person or people that handle the books. That way you'll probably very quickly know whether or not they've got their act together.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#22787 Dec 19, 2012
Last summer, the Springboro Police Department received a complaint from newly installed officers of the Clearcreek Youth Soccer Association about discrepancies in the organizationís bank accounts.

Read more: http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/local_news/Court...

And I wonder if a complaint was filed by the Boosters about a similar situation?

If so, where are the results from that one?

If not, why not?

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