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OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

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I want insurance like the congress has or what the cherokee injuns have for their employees.

“Nothing Is Free In This World”

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yeppers wrote:
I don't know what you all are talking about.. you are already forced to buy things.. for instance.. CAR INSURANCE.. everyone HAS to buy car insurance.. how is this any different? My cost should not have to go up, simply because someone else cannot afford to pay.
so you all don't want Obama care.. ok then tell me how we are going to pay (as a state) for ALL people to be covered by some type of insurance.. Are they going to raise your taxes?
Hey, you're not forced to buy insurance. Self insure your car, escroe $30,000.00 or $40,000.00 and don't forget potential medical bills, yeah escroe another $1,000,000.00, that way when you kill 2 or 3 people while texting you can cover the costs associated with your accident. You're not forced to buy auto insurance, it just makes good economic sense, since most of us don't have a couple million laying around to fully self insure for accidents.

How many people on this forum have had an accident? Was you thankful for the insurance coverage?

Now for lesson #2, do you pay social security? Have you ever drawn a penny of it? If so, good for you, however; does; it remotely resemble what you've paid into the system, over the past 40 years, probably not? Would the several tens of thousands of dollars that you contribute be worth a lot more in a simple 401k Plan or Mutual Fund? However; I don't have that choice now and never had the choice to, not contribute, since I began working, so, would you consider government retirement a good thing?

Now, what makes you think health care would be any better? The only problem is Social Security is minscule in size, compared to health care and the liberties forfeited with the passage of Obama Care. I could write a book on the million reasons, why Obama care is unconstitutional and why people should vote for repeal. It basically comes down to simple economics, who will pay for it? If your answer is "The Government", you're just plain ignorant, since the government has no money.

As for insurance, your insurance can be as cheap as you're willing to self insure. If you want $10.00 deductibles on everything, you will have high insurance premiums, if you have $200.00 deductibles, your cost will be cheaper, simple economics.

What makes health costs so high are trial lawyers, we should be pushing for tort reform, plain and simple. However; when the government offers things for free, people seem to believe all the BS and really think they're getting something for nothing, how many times in your life has that scenario came true?
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Since when is this obama insurance going to be free? Everbody will be required to buy insurance and if one cannot affort it, then the government helps. If everone has insurance then the state does not have to pay for the ER experience that Is happings now. No more sooner care because everyone is buying insurance. No more welfare paying for the destitued medical care. Medicial expenses will come down because the insurances companies will nitpick the bills.

The poor states like Oklahoma will not have a drain on their resources due to poor people getting their doctor and hospital paid by the state.

Get real people, the ones who want rid of this health care bill are the one who will lose money. like doctors, horspitasls and the like.
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If the publicians in congress reall wanted a fair and just health care bill, they would have got together with the demons and hashed out a fair and just bill that would have benifited all instead of droping a monkey wrench into the moving gears just to be azzholes like they are.
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If I recall the insurance will NOT be for "free".

The same thing you said about car insurance can be be the same for healthcare. If you have allergies.. not that big of deal.. If you have cancer.. you better have some money laying around if you want to get treatment. That is the problem with healthcare.

I am one of those people who cannot get health insurance due to a diagnosis when I was a child. the insurance I can get at this point is crap because it cost $700 a month and pays 70/30. Is that fair..NO I cannot afford $700 a month in premiums and still be able to pay the 30% for any doctor care. And NO, Obama care is not what I wanted either... but it is a start. It WILL bring fairness to insurance practices.

Obamacare is NOT a handout. there are some who will not have to pay for premiums..but the sate is already paying for those people..Its called medicare and medicaid. I do not qualify for either.. And by what you all think.. I should be allowed to die, simply because I do not make enough money (even though I am well above poverty level) to pay the high cost of my insurance. And you can say the hospitals cannot turn you away at the emergency room... but they damn sure can.. and have.

Who the hell do you people think you are? I have never asked for a handout.. All I have ever asked for is affordability. I pay taxes, and I believe I have a right to the best healthcare our nation offers.

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I'm voting yes along with what looks like will be the majority of you who don't want to be trod on.

When this state constitutional amendment passes and becomes law I plan on making some changes.

I will be dropping all of my healthcare insurance I now have. I figure if most of the Oklahomans want to pay for my healthcare when I get sick and go to the ER without any insurance, hey, who am I to stand in their way?

I'm also voting yes on SQ 751. English language only:

" These language requirements apply to the State's "official actions." The term "official actions" is not defined. The legislature could pass laws determining the application of the language requirements. The Legislature would also pass laws implementing and enforcing the language requirements."

Any time I see the phrase "The term "official actions" is not defined.", I'm all for it. Especially when it comes to amending the constitiution of the state. Give'em a blank check.

Representative Mike Brown doesn't feel the issue should be on the ballot, and sees no problems in the state in the current situation. According Brown, when commenting on voters, "I hope people are educated enough to realize English is our official language. Oklahoma’s law books are probably the largest in the nation, and we continually load them up with Christmas tree ornaments in elections

Since: Sep 10

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The ONLY reason I can a health insurance now is because of "Obamacare"!

Thanks Obama!

“Better days”

Since: Jan 09

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SyFy wrote:
The ONLY reason I can a health insurance now is because of "Obamacare"!
Thanks Obama!
Insurance companies are playing right into his hands by raising premiums. Ironically their greed will lead to a public option and ultimately their demise. Obama 2012!

“Nothing Is Free In This World”

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Homer wrote:
Since when is this obama insurance going to be free? Everbody will be required to buy insurance and if one cannot affort it, then the government helps. If everone has insurance then the state does not have to pay for the ER experience that Is happings now. No more sooner care because everyone is buying insurance. No more welfare paying for the destitued medical care. Medicial expenses will come down because the insurances companies will nitpick the bills.
The poor states like Oklahoma will not have a drain on their resources due to poor people getting their doctor and hospital paid by the state.
Get real people, the ones who want rid of this health care bill are the one who will lose money. like doctors, horspitasls and the like.
Do you really think "everyone" will buy health care? If you do, that is pretty naive thinking and you need to keep drinking the Kool Aid.

No, working people will be taxed a hell of a lot more, try like 70%- 80%, to pay for the people that are already on Sooner Care, Welfare, Government Assistance and Section 8. Oh and by the way Obama Care allows about 12 - 28 million more illegal immigrants access to "free medical". So, you hit the nail on the head, it's not free, however; lazy people that don't work now and don't pay taxes, will still be entitled to the same health care as everyone, however; not contribute a single penny. Sound like a good deal to you, I suppose it would if you don't work, otherwise; I can't see how a rational, sane person ever ever support Obama Care.

So, you add millions of people to the medical benefit roles, lower taxes and medical costs all in one great non - partisan bill and you believe this hog-wash? I suppose you believe the lie that your quality of health care and benefits available to you, will remain the same too, right?

Frustrating, very frustrating..........

“Life Is Great”

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Oct 12, 2010
 
I have great ins. BC & BS leave me alone!
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RIP wrote:
<quoted text>The only reason to tag your car in so you can drive it on public roads. Don't drive your car on public roads you don't need insurance. It doesn't matter hows fault it is as long as everyone that uses public carries insurance.
How are the people that currently do not have insurance, going to pay when it is required? They won't. We will have to pick up their cost. Heck why stop there, lets pay for their car insurance also or how about their house insurance or their kids collage. Where do you stop?
kids collage: where do you think the grant monies come from? Pell, etc
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Obama has an alligator's MOUTH with a HUMMINGBIRDS ASS. Liberal Democratic Agitators LOVE Homosexuality in our schools. Just look at that 1st Black president they elected.....WOW WHAT A MOUTH !

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tazzman-1 wrote:
I have great ins. BC & BS leave me alone!
So, do I, that I pay about $350.00 a month for access / coverage and my employer pays about $350.00, somehow most people don't understand how this works. By the way, my premium dollars pay for the indigent too and I don't have a problem with it.

However; that's not enough, I should have to pay for my neighbors healthcare costs, since he doesn't want to work or doesn't make enough money, since he dropped out of high school or has been on welfare for 2 decades, somehow his lack of contribution to his own well being, becomes my debt.

I have one question, at what point in someone's life do I become entitled to pay their way? Someone tell me that? And better yet, if I am required by law, not choice to pay his way, how is that liberty and freedom? I should, BY CHOICE offer to pay additional or contribute to someone else. Not have a SOCIALIST REGIME, CRAM it down my throat and force me to pay for someone else's medical coverage.

How is this any different, than the government forcing you to pay the note on your 2nd car and giving the car to your neighbor, since he doesn't have one, however; his kids have to get to school, soccer practice, etc. HOW IS IT ANY DIFFERENT?

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ron everhart K2C 1975 wrote:
i hope you people DO vote to pull out. i just spent a long weekend out that way, and based on what i saw, and what i already know about the relative allocation of federal dollars to states versus the contributions from those states, y'all independent-minded don't tread on me Okies are already on welfare, and progressive states like my adopted home are footing the bill for all the ignorant, self-destructive behavior out there. just be sure and write into the amendment that whoever can't - or won't - pay their own way, gets to die, period, and none of this "you can't make me buy insurance but i can go to the ER and the taxpayers have to save me" stuff.
BTW, your comments about Hugo - everywhere I went in several towns this weekend was just the same... what happened to the great state I left in 1982?
Hey Ron Everhart, go to he!!, and take ur sorry little opinion with you!
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I am on welfare. The state pays for me living. I do not want any thing changed. I am happy. got a good woman and a bunch of kids. Kids are not too smart, but I am teaching them to surive.
The oldest is a little slow and got him a SSI check. Working on the others. My goal in life is to be high sheriff and if I can get the government to help me run, I think that I can win.
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yeppers wrote:
I don't know what you all are talking about.. you are already forced to buy things.. for instance.. CAR INSURANCE.. everyone HAS to buy car insurance.. how is this any different? My cost should not have to go up, simply because someone else cannot afford to pay.
so you all don't want Obama care.. ok then tell me how we are going to pay (as a state) for ALL people to be covered by some type of insurance.. Are they going to raise your taxes?
Who says your forced to buy car insurance. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything. If you don't want to buy car insurance don't own a damn car if you don't want to pay taxes don't work get on welfare. If you don't want to pay property tax don't own a fucking home nobody is forcing you to buy anything. Now for the first time the demoncrats are forcing us to buy something i don't want that is not freedom.
sick of it

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Oct 12, 2010
 
ya,know, everybody would luv 2 hav in.s. do u people really think that everyone likes to be on welfare? like its great the state is all u ur a**. i know alot of good peolpe who lost their job, who had in.s for their family who are still looking for a job. ya, know, mickey d's doesn't cover the gas or home expeniences. but i guess those lazy bastards should choose gas over paying the elec. or gas bill, so no one is bothered. its hard for everyone, but i remember when 10.00 an hour was like middle class but now its still below poverty level. did u know to get foodstamps u can't make more than a certain amount. i have a relative who was disabled in a car wreck who gets 700. a month. he gets a whooping 30.00 a month for f/s. lets break it down....
700.
-100 elec.
600.
75. gas
525.
30. water
495.
10. sewer
485.
100. car insurance
385.
35. phone
350.
100. home in.s
250. for a whole month for food,personal care, home maintence, and other unexpected expenses.
why don't we just ship these bastards off to another country? i honestly dont know how he does it.
maybe elderly can just die faster. it's like this, sh*t happens, and if ur ever in a situation like someone else lets see how u handle it. I don't like the obamacare, i'll vote against it, but i'm not gonna judge people who haven't been blessed as some have.most people hate not beening able to pay, the shame of the foodstamp card, then yes there are those who make a living on it. if ur on welfare for a yr. the state should do investagations. there are ways to get people off. i know another person who gets on it for 6 months and then gets off so he can get his eic @ the end of the yr. thats the kind of person who should be axed for this. everyone (most) wants everyone out of their business and would luv to hav a card & get on w/life, but they don't. just don't judge people, do what u want based on ur life.
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Oct 12, 2010
 
all social necessities should be noprofit period,no for profit schools,jails,hospitals,utilit ys ect.
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Quick note here folks; a vote of the people can NEVER determine if a law is Constitutional or not. The Supreme Court has that power, not the voters.
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Oct 12, 2010
 
Hi Confused, I sure believe yoou are confused. the lawyers make very little difference in health care cost. Do you really know the cost ? It is less that 4 pecent. Now if you want health care, try and get it if you have a previos health problem or get sich , good way to have no insurance. the company just says no. Run up a high bill and you just might run out of benefits as you have reached the limitations of you health insurance. byBy insurance. Where as Obama care has put an end to a cap on health insurance as of sept 23,2010. And there is a clause in Obama care as you call it and many others. Also an insurance company can no longer turn down a baby with autism. A family's child can stay on the family insurance plan till the age of 26. By the way that clause in Obama care states a pwerson will not be penalized or jailed or taxed if they choose not to have health insurance. And it you already have health care you do not have to quit your health care plan. So what are you worried about. As for the leagal systenm so far the courts have sided with Obama care and said it is constitutional-- it willl go to the supreme court eventually and we shall find out wont we if it is constitutional after and if it is taken to the supreme cpourt. Till then it is still leagal as the just said so.

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