Motorcyclist dies in crash with horse...

Motorcyclist dies in crash with horse, Amish buggy

There are 48 comments on the GoErie.com story from Jul 27, 2008, titled Motorcyclist dies in crash with horse, Amish buggy. In it, GoErie.com reports that:

A horse pulling an Amish buggy broke free from where it was secured and collided with a motorcycle, killing the driver and injuring his passenger.

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Smedley

Pittsburgh, PA

#27 Jul 29, 2008
mourner wrote:
I've been in the EMS system for 20 years now. I have seen patients that would have been better off with a helmet and some that had injuries that no helmet would have fixed. I've witnessed injuries that would make the averages Joe's head spin and 1 biker patient who was decapitated. The bottom line is...as long as there are high speed motor vehicles and careless, disrespectful drivers, there will be accidents causing injury. As for the helmet laws...it has been proven that without helmets, the number of significant head injuries has increased substantially. Am I for or against helmets??? It doesn't really matter...the biker or motor vehicle operator is in charge of his own fate. Bikers are conscious, decision-making adults and know the consequences of their actions. They and their families are the ones who must live with those decisions!
My prayers go out to the family of the deceased biker and to all those killed in motor vehicle accidents. May God Bless You and Watch Over You!
It's the tax payers problem when the injured become wards of the state on my dime.
Curious George

Meadville, PA

#29 Jul 29, 2008
Smedley wrote:
<quoted text>It's the tax payers problem when the injured become wards of the state on my dime.
I agree with the way you feel! I hate it when my taxes increase (and help pay for those who are uninsured, irresponsible, or are recurrent welfare abusers)
Now, how 'bout the Amish? Let's see.....most don't pay taxes, don't register their buggies or get them inspected, have to insure them, all this while driving on state funded roads!
I have to put a muffler and catalytic converter on my car for emission control but Amish don't have to clean up road apples??? Doesn't seem right to me! I am very interested as to whether or not charges will be filed against the Amish who owned the horse and buggy. I would think liability would definitely be an issue here! If I leave my car running at a convenience store, and it pops out of gear - causing an accident...I am most certainly liable!!! What do you think will happen???
mr wolfe

Pittsburgh, PA

#30 Jul 29, 2008
Mr O wrote:
<quoted text>Dont forget it blocks your vision, blocks your hearing and forces your IQ down 20 points... Just how dumb is this "paralysis" argument? Even ABATE acknowledges that you should where a lid.. they just fight for the choice.. Personally , you choice not to wear a helmet just helps clean up the gene pool..
Yes they do, but most of the time i wear my carbon fiber helmet that is ultra light.
mr wolfe

Pittsburgh, PA

#31 Jul 29, 2008
Mr O wrote:
<quoted text>Dont forget it blocks your vision, blocks your hearing and forces your IQ down 20 points... Just how dumb is this "paralysis" argument? Even ABATE acknowledges that you should where a lid.. they just fight for the choice.. Personally , you choice not to wear a helmet just helps clean up the gene pool..
I dont think you have seen both sides of the case. Helmets can cause more injuries than the accident itself, and can be the cause of death.
Anonymous number two

Harborcreek, PA

#32 Jul 29, 2008
Heres my opinion...it doesn't matter if your wearing a helmet or not. What matters is what kind of driver are you? I have come across a handful of motorcyclist that rather "rev" op their bikes and take off like nothing can stop them ...rather than drive the speed limit or at least close to it. I think it comes down to irresponsible drivers.. this matter has nothing to do with helmet or no helmet. Accidents happen...thats why they are called "Accidents"
dennis

United States

#33 Jul 29, 2008
Amish people fishing at Pymatuning State Park???

I thought the park was for tax payers???

make them give the fish back...
Taxpayer

Pittsburgh, PA

#34 Jul 29, 2008
Lori wrote:
Okay this topic went completely off topic, i think the question remains, what caused this horse to get off the tyes that held it to cause this accident that killed a man.
Thats the bottom line, what was the cause? we know the effect, the fact that he was or was not wearing a helmet is not relivent, the fact that he is dead is, and the fact the somehow for some reason this horse got lose & caused him to wreck is, so lets investigate that? shall we?
To each their own, to wear a helmet is to wear a seat belt! your choice !
Wear a helmet, wear a seat belt, your choice. Sorry, but the rest of us have some say, unless you would rather pay for your own health insurance or government care in the event, and I hope it does not, something tragic happens because of your choice. We are evolving slowly as a society where the taxpayers simply cannot indulge the so-called "freedoms" of those who smoke, take illegal drugs, don't wear seatbelts and don't wear helmets. I do not intend this to be a blanket statement, but I do know that I am tired of subsidizing those who CHOOSE to live recklessly and require assistance as a result of something that they could have avoided. Freedom is great, but it entails responsibility as well.

Since: Jul 08

AOL

#35 Jul 29, 2008
No actually you don't have much say TAXPAYER as I pay my own way. I work, pay taxes, own a home and a 20k motorcycle, plus a car and truck.. BELIEVE me I pay TAXES and have insurance out the wazoo to protect myself.
If I choose not to wear a helmet it directly impacts my life and my insurance not yours.
If you don't want to make a blanket statement then why did you?
How about the "kids having babies" we are supporting and putting thru school? The drug and alcohol dependants that are on SSDI that we support? The fakers that are on SSDI or workmans comp? Who pays for them?
Teenagers having babies could be avoided easily but we pay millions out yearly here in PA for them. THOSE could be handed condoms and birth control pills, cheaper than having babies.
We have alot of problems here in the good ole USA and whether I wear a helmet ( which last time I checked was LEGAL here in PA) should be the least of your worries.
But remember CLICK IT or TICKET because THAT is the law !
Smoking also is still legal so even being a nonsmoker I understand your frustration.... but until they outlaw it we will be paying for the neighbors early disability with COPD caused by smoking of course and the other neighbors disability from being a 200 lbs overweight and can't walk over 10 feet anymore as he killed his knees. Hmm maybe a bigger tax on FOOD? He is killing himself with his fork.. Everywhere you look there are people on some sort of government disability or workmans comp. We won't even talk about the folks that never paid a cent into it and are collecting on our dime.
Taxpayer they think we are the stupid ones.... we haven't taken the free ride on Uncle Sam.
Clearly there are more important issues than whether I pay my own way and if I wear my helmet. YES it is a freedom and I am a responsible taxpaying citizen. As for me being reckless, I don't think so and the only life impacted by my decison to wear a helmet or not is MINE as it is my right to CHOOSE.
This man would still be alive had it not been for an AMISH buggy being out of control so maybe you can go preach to the Amish about accountability and freedoms.
Mary

Erie, PA

#37 Jul 30, 2008
dennis wrote:
Amish people fishing at Pymatuning State Park???
I thought the park was for tax payers???
make them give the fish back...
Where do you people get your "facts" from? Self-employed Amish do not pay Social Security tax. Those employed by non- Amish employers do pay Social Security tax. The Amish DO PAY real estate, state and federal income taxes, county taxes, sales tax, etc. Duh.

The fought the Feds way back when to get out of paying Social Security taxes (when self-employed) because that goes against their church teachings and they take care of their own elderly population. Lots of court cases and lots of info on this topic out there.
Scott Priester

Pittsburgh, PA

#38 Jul 30, 2008
RiderKatS wrote:
This man would still be alive had it not been for an AMISH buggy being out of control so maybe you can go preach to the Amish about accountability and freedoms.
Funny, I mentioned earlier how the Amish would now become no good to bikers, and you shot that down, but now are blaming them, when the buggy was parked, and the animal simply got loose.

I was at a bike festival a few years back in Wooster Ohio, and the owner of a bike shop there said it best. At that time the helmet law had not been repealed in Pa, but was legal many years before in Ohio. HIs comment was, "a biker who doesnt wear a helmet is just demonstrating they don't have brains worthy of protecting.".

Since: Jul 08

AOL

#40 Jul 30, 2008
skippy why don't you take off a day? I know alot of folks would be happy to se you take your bias opinions back to Pittsburgh.
THIS was an accident and I am sure the Anmish did not set out to kill the motorcycle rider.
But I also doubt they have to carry libility insurance on their buggy and horse.
Scott Priester

Pittsburgh, PA

#41 Jul 30, 2008
RiderKatS wrote:
skippy why don't you take off a day? I know alot of folks would be happy to se you take your bias opinions back to Pittsburgh.
THIS was an accident and I am sure the Anmish did not set out to kill the motorcycle rider.
But I also doubt they have to carry libility insurance on their buggy and horse.
I didn't post at all yesterday or the day before, sorry, two days off per week only :)
Scott Priester

Pittsburgh, PA

#42 Jul 30, 2008
RiderKatS wrote:
skippy why don't you take off a day? I know alot of folks would be happy to se you take your bias opinions back to Pittsburgh.
And by the way, my opinions are with me in Pittsburgh. To bad you can't control yourself enough to not read what I write.
Curious George

Meadville, PA

#43 Jul 30, 2008
Mary wrote:
<quoted text>
Where do you people get your "facts" from? Self-employed Amish do not pay Social Security tax. Those employed by non- Amish employers do pay Social Security tax. The Amish DO PAY real estate, state and federal income taxes, county taxes, sales tax, etc. Duh.
The fought the Feds way back when to get out of paying Social Security taxes (when self-employed) because that goes against their church teachings and they take care of their own elderly population. Lots of court cases and lots of info on this topic out there.
Mary, I noticed you "dodged the bullet" by not mentioning why Amish do not have to have their buggies registered, get them inspected, and other things mentioned in a post above.(even though they use the roads that are paid for using funds from these things)Do you have any input on this?

"As long as there are bikers... there will always be those hard-headed ones that do not require helmets"

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#44 Jul 30, 2008
Scott Priester wrote:
<quoted text>
And by the way, my opinions are with me in Pittsburgh. To bad you can't control yourself enough to not read what I write.
Opinions are just like dirty socks. Everyone has at least two. dr
Mary

Erie, PA

#45 Jul 30, 2008
Curious George wrote:
<quoted text>
Mary, I noticed you "dodged the bullet" by not mentioning why Amish do not have to have their buggies registered, get them inspected, and other things mentioned in a post above.(even though they use the roads that are paid for using funds from these things)Do you have any input on this?
"As long as there are bikers... there will always be those hard-headed ones that do not require helmets"
I didn't "dodge a bullett" at all. I was responding to a certain post in order to end the whole "they don't pay any taxes so what should we care" misguided opinion that some posters have here. No where in what I replied to did the poster say anything about buggy inspections or registrations. I didn't address that because I don't know anything about that, but I did know about the tax issue.

I would GUESS that the reason for the lack of inspections and registrations is because it is not a motorized vehicle. Are bicycles inspected? Do bicycles need registered? They use the public roads too. Also, financing for public roads does not come entirely from registration - many many tax $$$(federal, state, and local) are included in those funds so they probably are paying something into it.
taxman

United States

#47 Jul 30, 2008
Mr O wrote:
<quoted text>Dont forget it blocks your vision, blocks your hearing and forces your IQ down 20 points... Just how dumb is this "paralysis" argument? Even ABATE acknowledges that you should where a lid.. they just fight for the choice.. Personally , you choice not to wear a helmet just helps clean up the gene pool..
didn't know bikers had an IQ.
taxman

United States

#48 Jul 30, 2008
by,the way,did they cite the horse?

Since: Jul 08

Meadville, PA

#49 Jul 30, 2008
taxman, get a grip would you? Bikers have IQ's and cite the Amish? No probably not... the horse well he isn't talking about the matter.=)
mr wolfe

Pittsburgh, PA

#50 Jul 30, 2008
RiderKatS wrote:
No actually you don't have much say TAXPAYER as I pay my own way. I work, pay taxes, own a home and a 20k motorcycle, plus a car and truck.. BELIEVE me I pay TAXES and have insurance out the wazoo to protect myself.
If I choose not to wear a helmet it directly impacts my life and my insurance not yours.
If you don't want to make a blanket statement then why did you?
How about the "kids having babies" we are supporting and putting thru school? The drug and alcohol dependants that are on SSDI that we support? The fakers that are on SSDI or workmans comp? Who pays for them?
Teenagers having babies could be avoided easily but we pay millions out yearly here in PA for them. THOSE could be handed condoms and birth control pills, cheaper than having babies.
We have alot of problems here in the good ole USA and whether I wear a helmet ( which last time I checked was LEGAL here in PA) should be the least of your worries.
But remember CLICK IT or TICKET because THAT is the law !
Smoking also is still legal so even being a nonsmoker I understand your frustration.... but until they outlaw it we will be paying for the neighbors early disability with COPD caused by smoking of course and the other neighbors disability from being a 200 lbs overweight and can't walk over 10 feet anymore as he killed his knees. Hmm maybe a bigger tax on FOOD? He is killing himself with his fork.. Everywhere you look there are people on some sort of government disability or workmans comp. We won't even talk about the folks that never paid a cent into it and are collecting on our dime.
Taxpayer they think we are the stupid ones.... we haven't taken the free ride on Uncle Sam.
Clearly there are more important issues than whether I pay my own way and if I wear my helmet. YES it is a freedom and I am a responsible taxpaying citizen. As for me being reckless, I don't think so and the only life impacted by my decison to wear a helmet or not is MINE as it is my right to CHOOSE.
This man would still be alive had it not been for an AMISH buggy being out of control so maybe you can go preach to the Amish about accountability and freedoms.
same page buddy, same page. do you always wear a helmet or just highway?

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