Motorcyclist dies in crash with horse, Amish buggy

Full story: GoErie.com

A horse pulling an Amish buggy broke free from where it was secured and collided with a motorcycle, killing the driver and injuring his passenger.
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bald

Gowanda, NY

#1 Jul 27, 2008
I feel that Pennsylvania needs to rethink its helmet law. Many lives can be saved and serious head injuries may be prevented by wearing a helmet.
I used to live i Erie and a couple of friends of mine were seriously injured, one of whom is still effected with motor function issues from riding without a simple item such as a halmet
Scott Priester

Pittsburgh, PA

#2 Jul 27, 2008
Now the poor Amish people will be on the bikers hit list.
taxman

United States

#3 Jul 27, 2008
oh no,now we are going to ban buggies?
Bob

Fairfax, VA

#4 Jul 27, 2008
What kind of negligence does it take to have your horse decide to break free and take off down the road?

Note the complete lack of investigation or suggestion of complicity towards the Amish who failed to secure their animal, thus resulting in a death.

Was the poor animal tied up there all day? Did it have food and water?
mrkihn

Chambersburg, PA

#6 Jul 27, 2008
bald wrote:
I feel that Pennsylvania needs to rethink its helmet law. Many lives can be saved and serious head injuries may be prevented by wearing a helmet.
I used to live i Erie and a couple of friends of mine were seriously injured, one of whom is still effected with motor function issues from riding without a simple item such as a helmet
The PA law gives the right for those to choose wear helmet or not. Just like you have the right to smoke, 100x more people die from smoking related problems then by not wearing a helmet but you are still allowed to smoke. Your Choice to smoke if you are a smoker. 100x more people die from alcohol related traffic accidents but they still sell alcohol. Helmets my save some lives but not all. In most motorcycle related deaths the operator or passenger dies from blunt force trauma to the torso not head.
mrkihn

Chambersburg, PA

#7 Jul 27, 2008
bald wrote:
I feel that Pennsylvania needs to rethink its helmet law. Many lives can be saved and serious head injuries may be prevented by wearing a helmet.
I used to live i Erie and a couple of friends of mine were seriously injured, one of whom is still effected with motor function issues from riding without a simple item such as a halmet
This is taken right out of my $200 HJC Full face motorcycle helmet manual " Your helmet is only designed for one impact. An impact may fracture the outer shell of compress the impact absorbing liner. You may not be able to detect this damage.
Any impact in a crash or a drop from as low
as 4 feet is enough to damage your helmet.
Does a helmet that can be damage from 4 feet sound like it will protect you in a accident.

The choice is yours not someone elses to make for you. You choose to smoke or you don't ( if you smoke that is )you have the right to choose a lot of things that others may think maybe dangerous but it your choice you make.
mrkihn

Chambersburg, PA

#8 Jul 27, 2008
Smedley wrote:
Bikers wear their clubs' colors. What are the Amish colors? Black and charcoal gray?
Not all bikers wear colors. A matter of fact less then 1% of them do. As for the Amish it depends what sec. you are from. Most of them around here wear black and blue for men and women wear grays
mr wolfe

Pittsburgh, PA

#9 Jul 27, 2008
bald wrote:
I feel that Pennsylvania needs to rethink its helmet law. Many lives can be saved and serious head injuries may be prevented by wearing a helmet.
I used to live i Erie and a couple of friends of mine were seriously injured, one of whom is still effected with motor function issues from riding without a simple item such as a halmet
States that require helmets also need to consider the life long paralysis that can result from the extra mass that the human neck is incapable of supporting in an accident that would whip ones head around. Such an incident is the cause of death for Dale Earnhardt, and NASCAR has taken precautions to prevent the helmet from being the cause (or contributor) to death. PA has recognized this, wether they admit it or not. Helmets are a double edged sword. Some accidents they are lifesavers and some they can kill or paralyze. It is a very touchy subject with such unique circumstances i dont think either side has a strong enough case. If you cannot see past that, you shouldnt be arguing.
mommy

United States

#11 Jul 27, 2008
mrkihn wrote:
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The PA law gives the right for those to choose wear helmet or not. Just like you have the right to smoke, 100x more people die from smoking related problems then by not wearing a helmet but you are still allowed to smoke. Your Choice to smoke if you are a smoker. 100x more people die from alcohol related traffic accidents but they still sell alcohol. Helmets my save some lives but not all. In most motorcycle related deaths the operator or passenger dies from blunt force trauma to the torso not head.
wanna see my sons helmet and then see if you still feel lives arent saved by wearing a helmet. recently he had a horrible motorcycle accident. he was wearing his helmet. the helmet shows what wouldve been his skull/brain injuries!! wait till it happens to you,or a loved one/friend...then see how you will think differently, especially when you have a trach in your throat and cough and choke on blood clots!

Since: Jul 08

Meadville, PA

#12 Jul 27, 2008
This was an unfortunate ACCIDENT and WHY would the bikers put the Amish on any hit list? Skippy you are freaking stupid to even say this. It is obvious to me that the Amish should and probably will be given a ticket for unsecured buggy.
Sad day for the families and my thoughts and prayers go out to them.
mommy

United States

#13 Jul 27, 2008
In most motorcycle related deaths the operator or passenger dies from blunt force trauma to the torso not head.

wronggggg
in most cases it IS head injuries........and injuries to the thyroid cartelege bone/adams apple/larynax that fractures off and goes down the windpipe resulting in immediate death. talk to any ENT dr and see for yourself what they know!
Lori

United States

#14 Jul 27, 2008
Okay this topic went completely off topic, i think the question remains, what caused this horse to get off the tyes that held it to cause this accident that killed a man.
Thats the bottom line, what was the cause? we know the effect, the fact that he was or was not wearing a helmet is not relivent, the fact that he is dead is, and the fact the somehow for some reason this horse got lose & caused him to wreck is, so lets investigate that? shall we?
To each their own, to wear a helmet is to wear a seat belt! your choice !
Scott Priester

Pittsburgh, PA

#15 Jul 27, 2008
Sagdis wrote:
<quoted text>What's a halmet?
Something you should have worn that would have prevented your adult baby disorder.
Lori

United States

#16 Jul 27, 2008
1st off,
Helmets do NOT protect against "Thyroid" injuries? I am completely unaware of what this has to do with helmets? The thyroid is located in the center of the neck in the front! I havent seen a helmet that would protect against this injury! Plus i didnt think we were talking about decapitating anyone!
Blunt force trauma to the head is when the skull cracks under undue pressure from impact!
Actually, its blunt force trauma to the chest walls, causing broken bones to sever the lungs, heart and other vital organs! Or damage to the spinal cord that causes quadreplegic or paraplegic results!
The skull is tough, it can stand alot of impact, its like its own shell that protects our brain.
Blunt force trauma to the head is seen more in motor vehichle accidents then in motorcycle accidents.
Bikers get tossed from their bikes, hitting something, either the ground or a tree or a vehichle, they don't fly into mid air & land on their heads! Well not any accidents that i have seen anyway!
<-- Nurse of 18 yrs.

Again choice of the biker, just like its a choice of mine to wear or not to wear a ticket, don't wear it get caught pay $50, wear it , wreck & crush my chest, puncture my lungs & die ! Either way i seem to lose something!
mommy

United States

#17 Jul 27, 2008
Lori wrote:
1st off,
Helmets do NOT protect against "Thyroid" injuries? I am completely unaware of what this has to do with helmets? The thyroid is located in the center of the neck in the front! I havent seen a helmet that would protect against this injury! Plus i didnt think we were talking about decapitating anyone!
Blunt force trauma to the head is when the skull cracks under undue pressure from impact!
Actually, its blunt force trauma to the chest walls, causing broken bones to sever the lungs, heart and other vital organs! Or damage to the spinal cord that causes quadreplegic or paraplegic results!
The skull is tough, it can stand alot of impact, its like its own shell that protects our brain.
Blunt force trauma to the head is seen more in motor vehichle accidents then in motorcycle accidents.
Bikers get tossed from their bikes, hitting something, either the ground or a tree or a vehichle, they don't fly into mid air & land on their heads! Well not any accidents that i have seen anyway!
<-- Nurse of 18 yrs.
Again choice of the biker, just like its a choice of mine to wear or not to wear a ticket, don't wear it get caught pay $50, wear it , wreck & crush my chest, puncture my lungs & die ! Either way i seem to lose something!
read up on what the thyroid cartlege bone is...it has NOTHING to do withthe thyroid and my son WAS wearing his helmet. the cartlege bone is also known as the adams apple and helemts DO protect from the event of a head injury..like i said want to see the condition of my son's helmet?? if some dummy wants to take his or her helmet for a ride behind them while they go without one, i dont want to be there to watch the paramedics scrape your brains off of the road. WHY risk injury of this type?? just wait till you see your kid in ICU and you help him change the inner canula of his trach in his neck and you worry if he will be able to breathe let alone talk again and see how you feel then! or watch your loved one that will never be able to walk again. wear the helmet. and why did that horse get loose? will the people responsible be charged with neglect in keeping their animal under control? i will not read or post here again, my son needs me more than the losers on hee do. God Bless you who have loved ones that dont wear helmets. my son wore his helmet and it did save his life, he had a serious injury, but i still have my son.

Since: Jul 08

Meadville, PA

#21 Jul 27, 2008
Skippy you ODB go home momma is calling!! No playing with bikers for you!
mr wolfe

Pittsburgh, PA

#22 Jul 28, 2008
mommy wrote:
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wanna see my sons helmet and then see if you still feel lives arent saved by wearing a helmet. recently he had a horrible motorcycle accident. he was wearing his helmet. the helmet shows what wouldve been his skull/brain injuries!! wait till it happens to you,or a loved one/friend...then see how you will think differently, especially when you have a trach in your throat and cough and choke on blood clots!
Lives are saved by wearing helmets, but my guess is your sons helmet is scuffed because he just started riding. Why dont you ride for 20 years and see 3 of your friends die from motorcycle related accidents, all of which were not their fault. Two of them died from the helmet, and the other died due to blood loss from an object on the road that peirced a leather jacket. When you see that, then tell me that EVERYONE should wear a helmet. It is a gamble, just like getting in the car, walking to work, or swimming in lake erie.
common sense

Beaver Falls, PA

#24 Jul 28, 2008
I knew him. He will be with his brother. Don't blame the Amish........or lack of a helmet. I believe in helmets, but the fact of the matter is that it is as freak of an accident as a baby rolling over in bed and suffocating. Send prayers, well wishes, but please don't argue. He is with his brother, Brian, now. That's all that matters.
mourner

Meadville, PA

#25 Jul 29, 2008
I've been in the EMS system for 20 years now. I have seen patients that would have been better off with a helmet and some that had injuries that no helmet would have fixed. I've witnessed injuries that would make the averages Joe's head spin and 1 biker patient who was decapitated. The bottom line is...as long as there are high speed motor vehicles and careless, disrespectful drivers, there will be accidents causing injury. As for the helmet laws...it has been proven that without helmets, the number of significant head injuries has increased substantially. Am I for or against helmets??? It doesn't really matter...the biker or motor vehicle operator is in charge of his own fate. Bikers are conscious, decision-making adults and know the consequences of their actions. They and their families are the ones who must live with those decisions!

My prayers go out to the family of the deceased biker and to all those killed in motor vehicle accidents. May God Bless You and Watch Over You!
Mr O

United States

#26 Jul 29, 2008
mr wolfe wrote:
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States that require helmets also need to consider the life long paralysis that can result from the extra mass that the human neck is incapable of supporting in an accident that would whip ones head around. Such an incident is the cause of death for Dale Earnhardt, and NASCAR has taken precautions to prevent the helmet from being the cause (or contributor) to death. PA has recognized this, wether they admit it or not. Helmets are a double edged sword. Some accidents they are lifesavers and some they can kill or paralyze. It is a very touchy subject with such unique circumstances i dont think either side has a strong enough case. If you cannot see past that, you shouldnt be arguing.
Dont forget it blocks your vision, blocks your hearing and forces your IQ down 20 points... Just how dumb is this "paralysis" argument? Even ABATE acknowledges that you should where a lid.. they just fight for the choice.. Personally , you choice not to wear a helmet just helps clean up the gene pool..

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