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REAL Health Risks in Our Freshwater and Aquifers

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“Don't Tread on Me!”

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#1 Sep 4, 2012
Water is the source of all life. The safety of our water supplies, and our recreational freshwater should be of huge concern, to all of us.

What is causing the harmful alga forming in our lakes and streams?

What is causing the massive fish kills around the globe that are becoming so commonplace?

What affect do the presence of pharmaceuticals, now found in every aquifer on earth no matter how remote, have on our health?

Is the fluoride added to our municipal water supplies actually naturally occurring fluoride? And what affect does it have on our health?

Do any of our readers experience symptoms you believe to be associated with the water you drink?

What is the number one collective polluter and threat to our freshwater supply?

There are some very surprising answers to all these questions, and I'd like to share some of them here, and educate folks about the water and health issues associated with our drinking water. It would be nice to have input from others with knowledge, questions and concerns as well.
I have to go to work for a bit, but I'll be back this eve, ready to cite some very interesting and SHOCKING info. The corporate media doesn't want you to know, but for awhile, our uncensored internet access provides us with concrete data and information.

Y'all have a good day, until later!
Elmer

Winchester, KY

#3 Sep 4, 2012
Pam, My research concludes that the toxic Blue-Green algae only lives in ponds or lakes. This algae become toxic when it dies. The Toxin destroys the B-1 vitamin. Prolonged exposure to this toxin can cause nerve damage and brain damage.
You stated that it was in the Kentucky River In and earlier post and thread. The rivers natural color is blue-green. This is not because of toxic algae (as it does not live in running water, ie streams and rivers). Standing water such as was in that coal mine could contain such algae, our river don't.

“Don't Tread on Me!”

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#6 Sep 5, 2012
Pamela Thompson wrote:
I agree Paisley, our water is of the utmost importance to all life on this planet, and everyone should do their part in overseeing and protecting all water sources.
If anyone knows of sewage or even grey water running into the steams, report it to your local EPA. If your local EPA doesnít act , go ever their heads and report it to the state level EPA, and beyond if you must.
I once had to go over so many heads that I ended up talking to the CDC in Atlanta Georgia to get a deep mine closed down because the landlord was piping the water down to his trailer park and the local and state level EPA didnít want to be bothered with my complaint. When the guys from the CDC showed up to investigate, not only was untreated deep mine water being fed to 20 or more trailers but every trailer in that park had straight piped sewage running directly into the creek.
Did you know that just showering with contaminated water can effect your health?
Here is a good website where you can keep up with eventful emergencies all over the world.
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php
Mass animal die-offs and blue-green algae falls under the category íbiological hazardsĒ.
Kudos to you for addressing those reprehensible conditions and getting something done about them! Folks owe you a debt whether they like you or not!
Oh I know well what fecal coli and e. coli, abundant in raw sewage can do to one's health, even by shower. It can kill you. I've been part of an organization here that seeks to protect and keep our river clean and safe. Starting with having EVERY septic tested between here and the origins of the river in it's basin, a couple counties upriver, they found 38% of those septics were leaking raw sewage into the river. The state ordered them replaced or repaired, and if the homeowner didn't comply the state came in and did it themselves, and the owner either paid the bill or had a lien placed on their homes. HooRAH!
We addressed heavy metals like cadmium being dumped into the river from manufacturers upstream. They all went bankrupt as traitors moved our manufacturing overseas, so legal action was never completed. One manufacturer had a heavy metal spill that killed millions of fish in our river about 16 years ago, and we sued them into bankruptcy; though the lawyer who represented the class action suit got almost all of every homeowner's settlement. We got $30K each, and after their fees we ended up with checks for around $900.00. Hey what do you call 50 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? A good start! lol
Anyway, that's a good site for looking for water emergencies, but they don't list the Deep Water Horizon well, or the TONS of Corexit,(incredibly toxic, like EVERY single clean-up worker of the Exxon Valdez was dead within 10 years of that spill), that they are STILL spraying regularly to keep that oil on the bottom of the gulf. They don't mention Fukushima which is nuking an entire ocean....and US, in the rain.

“Don't Tread on Me!”

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#7 Sep 5, 2012
"...What are the possible health effects related to blue-green algae blooms?

Exposure to blue-green algae can cause rashes, skin and eye irritation, allergic reactions, gastrointestinal upset, and other effects. At high levels, exposure can result in serious illness or death.

Depending on the particular cyanobacterium, and the amount to which one is exposed, blue-green algae have the potential to cause a variety of adverse health effects, including liver toxicity (e.g., Microcystis aeruginosa) and neurotoxicity (e.g., Anabaena circinalis). Microcystin toxins may also promote tumor growth.

Destruction of cyanobacteria cells may release the toxins into surrounding waters, so care must be taken in dealing with blue-green algae blooms..."

Pam this is from the link you posted, more good info. But what is causing it? Is it a new thing or just increased awareness?

http://freshaquarium.about.com/cs/maintenance...

This site described well the conditions favorable to cyanobacteria, though it's a site about it's growth in aquariums. Same bacteria, same causes in our lakes AND RIVERS,(I'm looking at it right now in my own river), only on a larger scale.

When a river is at normal pool,(normal levels) the flow is counterproductive to blooms of cyanobacteria. But most of the country has been in severe drought. I have never seen my river this low, so low it's growing all kinds of alga, it looks like a Louisiana swamp at the moment.

So it seems that polluted waters (high in phosphates commonly found in fertilizers used for commercial farming), stagnant waters and very interestingly exposure to light is coming together to create these blooms of cyanobacteria all over the country. It's killing fish, dogs, otters and some people. I'd be interested to know if it's been found in the Red River, especially in the RRG area, as I will be kayaking it later on this month!

Now on exposure to light, not all areas reporting cyanobacterial blooms are in drought areas, so where is that coming from?
Wellll...I have a theory; the sun has been going nuts lately, erupting with X-class solar flares one after the other. That along with the large hole in our magnetosphere is what's responsible for the FOUR DAY melt of the WHOLE Greenland ice sheet in July. The Arctic Ocean has lost the equivalent of NINE California's this Summer.(talk about water woes...but I'm getting ahead of myself I'll address that later).
I think those solar flares and substantial increases in UV radiation have a lot to do with the widespread and severe blooms being found all over the U.S.

It is important to know if you're municipal water supply is taken from a reservoir or water source reporting blooms. Looks like that can sicken one, as well.
http://toxics.usgs.gov/highlights/algal_toxin...

“Don't Tread on Me!”

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#8 Sep 5, 2012
Elmer wrote:
Pam, My research concludes that the toxic Blue-Green algae only lives in ponds or lakes. This algae become toxic when it dies. The Toxin destroys the B-1 vitamin. Prolonged exposure to this toxin can cause nerve damage and brain damage.
You stated that it was in the Kentucky River In and earlier post and thread. The rivers natural color is blue-green. This is not because of toxic algae (as it does not live in running water, ie streams and rivers). Standing water such as was in that coal mine could contain such algae, our river don't.
Well you were incorrect on every count here. For one, I've traveled through the Markland Locks and Dam from Vevay, IN, to the Kentucky River, and taken the Kentucky---through a series of pre-Civil War era locks that enable boaters to 'climb' the river into the foothills, there are nine before you reach Frankfort, many times. The locks all close at dusk, so if you've got reservations at the Holiday Inn in Frankfort you've got to make sure you don't party too hearty and forget about the last lock before it gets dark. Otherwise you'll spend the night on the river, DOH! Yes that's happened to us, lol. Anyway, I go into such detail so that anyone who is ACTUALLY familiar with the Kentucky River knows I'm telling the truth. From the Port of Frankfort, they'll tell you that white tower on a hill directly East is Daniel Boone's grave, and you can dock for the night; they'll take your baggage and you up this crazy hill to the town in a golf cart, thank God!
I said all that to say this, blue/green is NOT the color of the Kentucky River, lol, heck there are pics of us on it on my FB that prove that, too. It's the same dark river-green as most. And it's beautiful!
You forgot to mention the medical issues like liver toxicity and neuro-toxicity...

Rivers go stagnant in droughts, you didn't think that one out very well. If you're going to discount me or debate on topics and facts that I cite, you'd better do your research.

“Don't Tread on Me!”

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#9 Sep 5, 2012
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So in re to the blue-green alga questions, there is no surface water treatment for the presence of blue-green algae blooms. To kill all of it at once would result in extreme oxygen depletion due to its decay, and it would release its toxins all at one time, resulting in fish kills and other wildlife deaths, as in the cases of animals who drink from the water. It is so far best to let it bloom and die out on its own. Dang.

We can keep track of our own municipal water supplies, and may choose to drink and cook with water from another source during and after (the toxins remain present in the water for an unspecified amount of time), a blue-green algae bloom.

What can be done to reduce the frequency and intensity of blue-green algae blooms?
There are no quick or easy remedies for the control of blue-green algae once they appear in a lake or pond. Reducing the amount of nutrients that wash into our lakes and ponds will eventually reduce the frequency and intensity of blue-green algae blooms, but it may take a long time and a lot of community involvement to effectively change the nutrient concentrations in a water body. This is because there may still be large amounts of nutrients in the sediment at the bottom that may continue to serve as food for the blue-green algae.

You can help reduce nutrient concentrations by promoting the following practices in your community:
-Use lawn fertilizers only where truly needed.
-Prevent yard debris (e.g., leaves, grass clippings, etc.) from washing into storm drains
-Support local ordinances that require silt curtains for residential and commercial construction sites
-Plant and maintain vegetative buffer strips along shorelines of lakes, ponds and streams.
Note: Native plants are much more effective at filtering runoff than the typical grass species found on residential lawns.
http://dnr.wi.gov/lakes/bluegreenalgae/

So that's what we can do. I'm already involved in clean water organizations in my area of Indiana. But it would be up to some of the good folks in Beattyville to organize, chair and create a group that remained educated and proactive on these matters. Local government controls more of your life than any presidential election ever will (that is if the Fed guvmet knows it's place), and if you care about this issue that is how you do it. Best of luck to y'all.

On to the next water issue.

“Don't Tread on Me!”

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#10 Sep 5, 2012
Massive fish kills around the globe. Many here in the United States. Not one conclusive reason for these kills. This would denote an ecological issue on a global scale. Are they the 'canary in the mine'?

Gosh I love the internet! This site has an awesome animated graphic that shows in chronological order the massive fish kills AND birth deaths through the beginning of 2011. Just scroll down a little, it says;
Mass Global Bird and Fish Deaths Shown in Chronological Order
and click 'play'.

Going forward from 2011, I can't find a comprehensive listing, but there's plenty on youtube;

California's Redondo Beach MASSIVE fish Kill 2011


Another Fish Kill in Arkansas, Sept 20, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Massive Fish Kill in Minnesota (21st March 2012)
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

200 Tons Dead Fish In Egypt !! "Are You Serious?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
This guy has an interesting take on all that, too.

The links posted sometimes have folks adding their own theories to the data, I neither refute nor endorse them,(Well maybe Biblically I agree with Pastor Paul), they are being posted for the verifiable data they contain.

What's doing this? Is this normal, and we're just more aware of news from around the world and even country? I don't think so, but that's just MHO. The scientists I even see addressing it don't think it's normal either. Some of their theories and data are very interesting.

“Don't Tread on Me!”

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#11 Sep 5, 2012
Oops! I forgot to post the link to that cool graphic, doh! Here it is;

http://www.thejoyluckclub.com/Mass_Fish_and_B...
Elmer

Richmond, KY

#12 Sep 5, 2012
Posey, debating with you would gain nothing. Your mind is set. I have done my research. The toxic Blue-green algae does not exist in flowing or moving water. Besides the algae is only toxic when it decays and concentrates in standing or pooled water. Pam please do more research. You will never admit that you are wrong publicly. But you may find for yourself.

“Don't Tread on Me!”

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#13 Sep 5, 2012
Elmer wrote:
Posey, debating with you would gain nothing. Your mind is set. I have done my research. The toxic Blue-green algae does not exist in flowing or moving water. Besides the algae is only toxic when it decays and concentrates in standing or pooled water. Pam please do more research. You will never admit that you are wrong publicly. But you may find for yourself.
We just provided solid data, some from government websites, that you are wrong.
She is not wrong, I am not wrong. All you care about is agitating Pam. Piss off, troll. You won't be acknowledged again on this thread, it is for serious discussion of the issues.
Elmer

Richmond, KY

#17 Sep 5, 2012
Paisley_Posey wrote:
<quoted text>We just provided solid data, some from government websites, that you are wrong.
She is not wrong, I am not wrong. All you care about is agitating Pam. Piss off, troll. You won't be acknowledged again on this thread, it is for serious discussion of the issues.
No sir, I disagree with you. It is you as one of Pamela's made up alter egos that is not taken seriously here. I do not debate the fact that Blue-Green algae exists. I do debate the fact that it exists in our river. Until UK or the EPA does testing and states that it is in the river. You see this is just Pam's way to try and scare the uninformed and to smear this area. You are not the first one she has made up to support her false claims.

“Don't Tread on Me!”

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#18 Sep 5, 2012
Elmer wrote:
<quoted text>No sir, I disagree with you. It is you as one of Pamela's made up alter egos that is not taken seriously here. I do not debate the fact that Blue-Green algae exists. I do debate the fact that it exists in our river. Until UK or the EPA does testing and states that it is in the river. You see this is just Pam's way to try and scare the uninformed and to smear this area. You are not the first one she has made up to support her false claims.
I could give a flying rat's arse how seriously YOU do or don't take me, as if! LOL! You're SO stupid you think I'm another person whom you should already know very well, so what does your idiot opinion matter? You'd be hard-pressed to convince me or anyone else who's read you that you're any kind of contributing member of the community anyway; and no way in Hades do you have the wherewithal or brains to support yourself. Shouldn't yourAFDC card be reloading in a few minutes? Scram!

“Don't Tread on Me!”

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#20 Sep 6, 2012
Pamela Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>by the way, thank you for helping me get this important fact out to the public, but i still think we are wasting our time here on this particular forum.
And by the way, the deep mine I exposed and helped close was running into the north fork river which for the last couple decades has been deemed unfit for fishing or swimming because of high bacteria levels. The water test I had done from my kitchen tap at the trailer park, showed high levels of bacteria and when I showed the test results to my family doctor, he asked if I was getting my water from the sewer, thatĎs how bad it was. Since closure of the deep mine water and all those straight piped sewer lines, the north fork has improved considerably.
You're welcome. I have faith that there are many good folks in the region, some who may welcome this info, and it will always be here now. You've posted some excellent info here! Again, kudos for addressing that mine, what they were doing was pure evil.
More important info to come, but I gotta get back out to work for the day. Be back this eve.
Elmer

Versailles, KY

#21 Sep 6, 2012
Paisley_Posey wrote:
<quoted text>You're welcome. I have faith that there are many good folks in the region, some who may welcome this info, and it will always be here now. You've posted some excellent info here! Again, kudos for addressing that mine, what they were doing was pure evil.
More important info to come, but I gotta get back out to work for the day. Be back this eve.
I am sure there are many good people in this area who get a kick out of Pam and her alters constant stream of bullshit. You say I never supported myself. The host that created you is and SSI drawing bum who never even finished high school. Yes this is your creator Pamela. Such a role model. Posey more to the point would be rag weed!
The proof we waited for

United States

#22 Sep 6, 2012
Pam believes in global warming. That's proof she is only playing with about 49 cards instead of a full deck.
Elmer

Richmond, KY

#23 Sep 6, 2012
Poor old Pam. Where is your great defender The Posey? It would seem he is about to go the way of Anon. Your other alter, Tbones is after the women. He will be added with you to the post "Queers of Lee County". I'll bet your boy Posey would Toot as well. You and your alters are falling apart. How heart warming.

“Don't Tread on Me!”

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#26 Sep 7, 2012
Pamela Thompson wrote:
<quoted text>what makes you say for certain that global warming isnt happening right now? In June a 164 all-time high temperature records were tied or broken around the country, sounds to me like things are heating up. Do I think itís man-made? Actually, Iím not qualified to say either way, but here is something to think about.
Blue Green Algae thrives on heat and as it dies, it puts out heat. Thatís why Bill Gates got this wild notion that he can Genetically Modify it for faster growth and then harvest it as an alternative energy source. Heat is energy, combustion is what makes your car run.
Oh things are heating up alright! Did you know that for the first time ever the USDA has changed our agricultural Zones. We used to be a zone 5, but now we're in zone 6. That means we can plant crepe myrtle, woohoo!!

http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome...
"...Compared to the 1990 version, zone boundaries in this edition of the map have shifted in many areas. The new map is generally one 5-degree Fahrenheit half-zone warmer than the previous map throughout much of the United States."

But it's NOT man-made warming, though many who would LOVE to tax us on it would like us to think so...

Bill Gates in an EVIL Eugenicist, BTW....

“Don't Tread on Me!”

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#27 Sep 7, 2012
Pamela Thompson wrote:
Hey Paisley, youíll probably get tired of me talking about the algae problem but check this out.
Moose are dying in southern parts of Sweden;
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/...
Moose love to eat aquatic plants, itís a big part of their diet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =JWGe7reL2fcXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Algae problem in Sweden;
http://www.thelocal.se/1709/20050706/
And back in early august moose been dying and scientist donít know why;
http://www.thelocal.se/42530/20120810/
Something to think aboutÖ.
Not at all tired of your posts here! I've been looking into this for awhile and you're coming up with data I haven't seen before. I love data! Thank you for sharing! I wonder if the moose deaths are related to the fish kills? And about alga, have you see all the blood-red waters showing up around the world???

“Don't Tread on Me!”

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#28 Sep 7, 2012
Wish I had more time to get to the fish kill issue, but alas storms are coming and we have a full roster of customers to get to before it does...DANG I don't wanna work Saturday! Once again, if I'm not wiped out like last night, I'll be back this eve and try it again, lol. Have a blessed Friday fine folks!

“Don't Tread on Me!”

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#32 Sep 7, 2012
Pamela Thompson wrote:
Actually in Kentucky thereís this dated 1999;
http://www.research.uky.edu/odyssey/fall98/wa...
Where they claim they have cleaned up Kentuckyís water ways . Funny how Kentucky can clean it up and no other state or country has been able to.
Oh looooong day girl! Then we had severe storms and tornado warnings (saw no tornado though), and no way do I sit here in the window with the PC on in that!
Anyway, I know that the Red's national designation as a Wild and Scenic River poured some federal money in for it's clean-up and monitoring. I even saw them testing Indian Creek near where it comes in to the Red. Manufacturing was big in Indiana, and it's wastes polluted a lot of our rivers here. That and fertilizer run-off from farm fields. Kentucky, especially it's eastern half is about the prettiest state in the union as far as I'm concerned, I would gladly be a part of it's preservation and protection. Remember when they were talking about damming up the Red and flooding the gorge to make another L. Cumberland or Dale Hollow? I signed that petition, and then came down for a week to canvass areas, educate about the effects and collect more signatures for the petition. THANK GOD it was stopped!

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