“Hang Together”

Since: Apr 09

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#21 Jan 24, 2011
BTDT,
No doubt, we all fall into habits and stay with "what works". Change is a scary thing. I am a small thinker sometimes. Everyone is. It takes new blood to to create new thinking. This is the reason I'm always pointing out more people need to get involved. The more ideas out there that have survived the scrutiny of everyone, the better chance we hav to be successful. Whether it's Walmart, Target, or JC Penneys, I, and it's only my opinion, don't see any company putting out that kind of money because we need jobs. They have to make money. Communities with a diverse group of businesses tend to fair better in recessions than those depending on a single large employer.
Somebodynew

London, KY

#22 Jan 25, 2011
Chuck, let me give one some small town example. When you start a new job most are excited and want to do their very best. The ones that come with the most opposition is the overzealous ones that speak up and tell you better ways that they have seen or believe the company will be more successful. The company often will stop you dead in your tracks by saying "we tried this before" or "so and so tried it and it didn't work" or "money is an issue". Most disheartening thing any new idea employee will ever face and it sets the tone for never bothering to mention ANYTHING again. What did not work in the past does not mean it will not work now. Things change, people are different, motivated in different directions, kids today are not what we were. As long as children have to leave your town to work, your town will die, because that's where your income comes from. Children don't want to leave but I attend ever Bville Graduation and that's all I hear.
I grew up in Winchester and we were dying with just a few factories threatening to leave all the time. My Dad worked at Bundy's when the finally got the union in though most supporters found their jobs fleeting. Far cry from when town officials the next generation went after Rockwell. The city built their building to Rockwell's specs including getting the utilities necessary to run the place. Not only did we build the building, Rockwell paid no rent for 10 years. By building that building, Rockwell brought in some of the best paying jobs in the state. Taxes paid by employees raised the revenue for the town, and made it lucrative for WalMart, nice restaurants, upscale stores, McDonald's, and everything that comes with it. Remember when there was nothing on Rockwell Rd. except Rockwell? Did you notice how many factories are there now, and I will guarantee you they did not come without sacrifice of the city. Houses and cars sold, the schools had more money, Roads got better, my husband was making $1000 a week in 1972. That was big money then and now. That's one example of how you can get the stores and rinks, and especially help the small business. Your factory that employs many is closing, how can you help them? Has the town tried? Do they need to make something else? They have a building, what happens to it? Another empty. I see on here that the town is made up with people drawing checks whether SS or AFDC, but who else can live there. To work they have to leave, so that's all that's left and I blame the people sitting on the purse strings who should be making a 'BIG business plan' for the city not themselves. Beattyville is far different than the Beattyville I knew and I believe it comes down to who they passed the torch to.
Someone

Augusta, KY

#23 Jan 25, 2011
Somebody New You couldn't have said it better Beattyville was a great town growing up and now that I am older and more mature I think back about what was I thinking. I am 24 years old and had to leave because there was no work to make an honest living. But the city officials just seem to sit back in there lazy boy chairs and say we don't need them let them go. But that's not the answer you want your young people to stay they are your future.Beattyville is so behind times that its not funny but sad that you cant even have a decent restaurant to eat at or a grocery store that has decent food. You talk about if a wal-mart came to Beattyville that they would drove out. I dont think so how many of the bigger cities do you know where there is walmart Kroger meijer and then there is save alot still competing with the big dawgs. Its called marketing strategies if one store offers a product for this much you try to beat that price. Most of the time people will still shop at the same stores no matter if there are bigger stores in town. I think its time Beattyville starts coming up to this generation.
pam

United States

#24 Jan 25, 2011
Alright, according to Chuck and others, I’m dumb, crazy and dealing with multiple personalities but for some reason, chuck and B T D T want to stick to the subject of retail. And on this, I agree whole heartedly, no big store chain is going to want to set up in Beattyville Kentucky because there is not enough money in or around the area. I say focus on manufacturing because although there is a shortage of money, I’m sure there is no shortage of people willing, wanting and needing to work. Get that first factory here then the rest will follow. Just simple line jobs that don’t need a whole lot of education beings that the school is failing and has been for some time. We need a huge factory that is willing to employ an assortment of the population, not just family members like it is now here. The money is staying in the same hands because the few jobs that are around are already promised to family or friends of the family.

“they” expect the county to support them but “they” aren’t willing to support the county.

I bet if chuck converted his arts and entertainment center into a roller skating rink that will draw in many, not just actor wanna be's, his business would flourish.
Hank

United States

#25 Jan 25, 2011
I was going to vote for a Goodwill too as it definitely creates a few jobs as well. Amvets stores that I've gone to are also an alternative.
But at the expense of the stores that we all have named on the wish list blog here, its at the expense of the others. But sometimes a new kid on the block will create a little competition and it may remove a weak sister in order to make the rest of them stronger. You're right on the Walmart issue. That store has a tendency to destroy small businesses all around it. B'ville doesn't need one.
Folks in B'ville have limited amounts of money for eating out, entertainment and such. Most of it is for just plain living and paying bills.
Outside of the 'Pam' response, this has been a very good blog!
pam

Lexington, KY

#26 Jan 25, 2011
why does the truths bother people so?
ugh

Social Circle, GA

#27 Jan 25, 2011
"why does the truths"? i think it is the poor grammer.
B T D T

Clay City, KY

#28 Jan 25, 2011
Pam that was a better comment. Just work on the last part.

“Hang Together”

Since: Apr 09

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#29 Jan 25, 2011
Somebodyknew,

Your perspective is well explained. I'm not making fun or being sarcastic when I ask: How's Rockwell doing now? What worked for Winchester during a different era doesn't necessarily apply here. The nearness to interstates 75/64 had something to do, I'll wager, with the location.

Regarding, the new "overzealous" employees, with the new ideas, just because they are new, doesn't mean they will work or are better. To make the status quo shift, it takes more than ideas. It takes plans and data to support a shift. I've been that overzealous "new guy" quite a few times. And more times, than not, the folks who had been playing the game for a longer time were right when they said something wouldn't work. This is why business plan is critical. It forces you to look at the realities, not stay lost in the "idea". Sometimes the new idea can work, but it's because it will pay off.

There was a strategic plan designed in 2006 which focused on building a community that would be more attractive to tourists. The entire community was invited and 75 showed up. Now, It's not clear if anyone in government is stillusing the plan, but it appears as if it's still influencing decision making.

One of the things available to the closing factory workers is taking advantage of the Distant Earning Initiative. It might require retraining and learning a different job, but the initiative is underway. Manufacturing jobs have evaoporated, not just in Kentucky, but in the nation.

I'm curious what you want the city and county to do about getting jobs? They get grants to improve infrastructure, schedule training, that is free in starting businesses, EMT certification and myriad other skills. How much input do they get from the citizens. Not much, if you attend the meetings. Are they perfect? No. I don't agree with some of the initiatives nor do I think we've taken advantage of every opportunity, but they are engaged and making the effort.

To "Someone" It's not that the town doesn't care about you, it's that they don't know about you? What skills do you have? What do you want to do? Did you send a resume to any businesses in the community?

I'm not saying there are opportunities here for the taking. There aren't. I left for the same reason. But, we can't change things if we wait for someone outside the community to save us, nor can we change things if we wait for others in the community to change things the way we want without getting involved and being part of the change.
Brenda digs4funds

United States

#30 Jan 25, 2011
ugh wrote:
"why does the truths"? i think it is the poor grammer.
Truths as in plural?
Brenda digs4funds

United States

#31 Jan 25, 2011
B T D T wrote:
Pam that was a better comment. Just work on the last part.
I will, just for you....NOT. what is wrong with my truths?
rich person

Little Valley, NY

#32 Jan 25, 2011
does would not be used with truths. it should be "why DO truths".
B T D T

Richmond, KY

#33 Jan 25, 2011
Not That Comment. The one where you made a point. The one befor. (Groan)
B T D T

Richmond, KY

#34 Jan 25, 2011
Chuck, we need new blood and money. Without that the status quo is all we will have. Beattyville did and does need a face lift. But what good is a pretty town if it's empty.

“Hang Together”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#35 Jan 25, 2011
It's not empty. There is new blood. The owners of the buildings have changed. The world outside has changed, Retirees are returning to the area and the status quo is ready to let someone else take the load. A lot of them want to retire. The problem is, there aren't many who want to step up to take it. Investment groups like MACED and Highlands are looking for projects to invest in, but you have to show them how it will work. Again, ideas are good, a plan and measurment criteria are better and what investors are looking for.
Somebodynew

London, KY

#36 Jan 25, 2011
Chuck, once again you're talking down to us with your big bad 'business plan'. I for one have followed and been involved in more business plans than you would believe unless you knew what I do. Yes that's necessary if your applying for loans or grants, but first you need an ORIGINAL IDEA. And for your message to 'Someone' are you hiring? Should all people start sending resumes to you? I am wondering and I don't mean this to be rude, but how many people on your City Council republicans? That's an honest question.

“Hang Together”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#37 Jan 25, 2011
Somebodynew, If you feel I'm talking down to you, I apologize. It's not my intent, but as you pointed out, I don't know anything about you or what you've done or how many business plans you've been involved with. I'm also commenting on a public forum,trying to explain my views to a group that may range from high schoolers up.

A common mistake made by many is to think a business plan is just needed to get a loan. It's actually a great way to analyze your idea (original or tried and true)to see if it will work or just give you a plan to refer to as you move ahead.

Actually, I hired someone today. The point I was making about "sending resumes" was many young leave here saying there are no opportunities, but they've never explored outside their immediate circle of acquaintences or searched for a job.

The Distance Earning Initiative which is being managed by Josh Ball is actively seeking resumes as they try to match jobs and people. Like the motto of the initiative says, "A job is something you do, not someplace you go."

An idea (original or tested) is only the first step and we have to accept it might be "bad".

Chuck
PIE BABY

Richmond, KY

#38 Jan 25, 2011
Chuck you mentioned these places and my opinion is this,Second hand rose is hardly ever open ,I've been up ther as many as 3 days straight and shes seldom there.Cumb.Mt. outreach is members and only certain people . Cath. store is open only a few hours Thurs. morning. Ida May is so crazy expensive that it's cheaper to go buy stuff new.I don't know what she was thinking when she raised the prices so high, but I do know her rent is really high there.And I can't say anything about Thomases for simple reason that I've never heard of it. Just my opinion ,and I didn't exactly mean Walmart , we just need something, or else this town is pretty much done for just like BTDT said.
Someone

Augusta, KY

#39 Jan 25, 2011
I am not saying that a wall-mart is the solution to the problem but it is a start I am not sure what will work for Beattyville but there has got to be a quick answer to get jobs there. Look the fact is it does involve risk taking just like every other town did when they first started out you just don't put a Kroger in and it takes off. Its all part of trial and era. You guys are losing a factory that is taking probably 100 jobs or more out of the county and the county is not trying to save those people's jobs or come up with a solution for another factory to take its place so that those people will still have a job. I am not just complaining about Beattyville its all the surrounding counties as well. Chuck I do have a job and yes I did work in Beattyville while I was there. The problem is that there is not enough revenue in the county to pay for high paying salaries for families to relocate to Beattyville. Better yet there is not enough pay to raise a family and pay bills as somebody said early every penny goes for bills and food. That is sad and I know sitting here talking about is not helping but its a start to the problem. I am not putting Beattyville down I love it and it will always be my home but it does need to come up with the rest of the world. So I hope something will be done.

“Hang Together”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#40 Jan 26, 2011
Someone,

Unfortunately, there is no quick answer to a factory closing. The local government can't plan for something it knows nothing about, Do you think the owners called the judge and said "we'll be closing in a couple of years?" Budgets are planned two years in advance by governments and voted on annually. This is one of the key problems with a single factory or industry model. Lose it, the economy goes bust.

The Distance Earning Initiative is an innovative idea which will allow locals to stay in the area and work for start up or established fortune 500 companies in positions from introductory to senior executive. But to make it work, it will take people willing to retrain and learn new skills and compete for the jobs by putting together competative resumes. This isn't something we are used to. It also means we have to let the local government bodies know what we are concerned about and attending meetings to see what they are doing. "They" whoever they are can't fix the problem. "We" have to do it. I know of two people who have good paying jobs they do from local offices in Beattyville who work for companies in other states.

Chuck

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