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Since: Dec 12

Houston, TX

#22 Jan 8, 2013
It is a matter of fellowship. Light (God) cannpot have fellowship with darkness (sin) and when we confess our known sins He also cleanses us fro all unrighteousness (unknown sins) in our lives. We can then be in fellowship with God. It is a maater of being filled with the Spirit. Filling of the Spirit means we are under the control of the Spirit, Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

In other words if you are drunk with wine (i.e. if you have sin controlling your lief) tyou cannot have the Filling of the Holy Spirit, because the Spirit is not in control. 1 John 1:9 restores the control of the Holy Spirit and therefore brings back fellowship with God. Walking in communion with God rather than in sin.
Winston Zeddemore

Pasadena, TX

#23 Jan 8, 2013
sjbible wrote:
We would love to have your input for this Church Plant in the Birthplace of Texas. We will be an independent Bible Church. I am currently a member of a Baptist Church and have received my degrees from Baptist Schools. I currently do not feel that the church should affiliate with any Baptist organization. We want to serve you in our community, as your Church. So please take some time from your busy schedule to answer the questions we have for you. We would love your input on whether you would consider attending this new church plant.
1. Do you want to learn more of God’s word with less emphasis on denominational literature?
2. Do you want to be taught verse by verse book by book or biblical doctrines in series?
3. Do you agree that a New Independent non-charismatic, Bible church in your locale is needed?
4. Would you attend a New Independent non-charismatic, Bible church in your area?
5. How soon would you like to see the work begin?
6. We are seeking committed Christians who would like to help start a new Bible Church in the LaPorte, Deer Park and Pasadena area?
7. I am an ordained independent Baptist minister non-KJV only, who believes the bible as it is currently separated is the infallible, inerrant word of God as inspired by the Holy Spirit.
8. I have over 25 years of ministerial experience in various position of ministry?
9. I have earned the following degrees, Associate of Theology, Bachelor of Arts in Biblical Studies, Master of Theology and Doctor of Theology from various Christian Colleges, Universities and Seminaries.
10. What we need is a place to meet and a group committed to getting this church started and growing.
I appreciate your post, but must inform you there is already a "Bible church" in Deer Park: Deer Park Church of Christ. I would suggest attending if you want true Biblical preaching.

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

De Leon, TX

#24 Jan 9, 2013
You mean all these other churches are practicing heresy? That's fascinating.
Winston Zeddemore

Pasadena, TX

#25 Jan 9, 2013
Hezekiah wrote:
You mean all these other churches are practicing heresy? That's fascinating.
Speak, democrat, tell me all about heresy straight from the hore's mouth.

Since: Dec 12

Houston, TX

#26 Jan 9, 2013
Winston Zeddemore wrote:
<quoted text>
I appreciate your post, but must inform you there is already a "Bible church" in Deer Park: Deer Park Church of Christ. I would suggest attending if you want true Biblical preaching.
Well I don't need to go there when I have checked their teaching against Scripture and found what I believe by the leadership of the Holy Spirit are doctrinal errors. The C of C is not what this is about nor is this a Forum to put down others teachings. This was to get opinions on whether there are folks intersted in a Bible church.

“Candor for the few”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

#27 Jan 12, 2013
Hmmmm... so Jesus died for our sins, therefore one may sin all they want as long as they proclaim their belief in Jesus? Interesting concept.

I'm also curious how one that supposedly studies theology can still put their undeniable faith into a belief that was created approximately 2000 years ago, when man sought to find reasoning for the unexplained by proclaiming it a miracle, an act of God or the devil, etc. Yet, they also believed in magic, witches, sorcerers, etc. Although through the years, many of those superstitions are proclaimed as mythology, while they still hold on to other primitive beliefs.

Now, for one that studies history and the various forms of religion that was developed, one can surely see that such things were also a matter of acquiring and maintaining control over the masses, i.e. for power and political purposes.

Such studies would certainly point out how kings would surround themselves and use such religious leader's "blessings" (lest they be disposed of, for one that would) to gain allegiance from the people.

This often leads me to wonder why those that proclaim such theological degrees use their knowledge to "teach" a particular faith. Is it because they aren't actually taught real history, but only the theology? Or could it be they wish to fulfill some sort of desire in a leadership role?

One must keep in mind that there were many books written, based on "Christianity" that were not included in today's bible, as Constantine and other leaders attempted develop a particular course of teachings to fit their needs and control over their subjects. Of course, many of those books were written by the same individuals that may have had one of their books included, but rejected their other writings, as they thought they would contradict other works.

Of course, we also see how that worked out, considering the Roman Catholic church was the original. Yet, others were not happy with the interpretations of the writings of those books chosen to comprise "the Bible." So, they formed their own beliefs, as they broke up into more and more denominations that use the same book, while proclaiming "theirs" is the right interpretation.

In the end, it all comes down to blind faith and which doctrines of religion you were raised under. After all, even Buddhism still has a strong following and most are not likely to change because that is what they were raised to believe. Yet, Christians proclaim that they will be saved and all others will perish and think they are right, because that's what they've been taught.

If one does not study and learn from history, they may only be doomed to repeat it.

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

Gorman, TX

#28 Jan 12, 2013
Winston Zeddemore wrote:
<quoted text>
Speak, democrat, tell me all about heresy straight from the hore's mouth.
So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!

—John Godfrey Saxe, referring to the Buddhist fable of the Blind Sages and the Elephant
Scooby

Deer Park, TX

#29 Jan 12, 2013
I want to be a preacher, start a church, work full time on Sundays and maybe some parts of other days, have all kinds of tax breaks, be "looked up to", and pretend I know more than anyone else....

Scooby Do!

By The Way: Missed you DPTX
ON YOUR KNEES

Deer Park, TX

#30 Jan 12, 2013
THIS IS SATAN GET ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY TO ME.
I LOVE YOU ALL

“Ok, maybe I know a little bit.”

Since: Sep 12

But I don't know that.

#31 Jan 13, 2013
Hezekiah wrote:
<quoted text>
So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!
—John Godfrey Saxe, referring to the Buddhist fable of the Blind Sages and the Elephant
Perfect analogy (and i am not being sarcastic)
Defiant1

Deer Park, TX

#32 Jan 13, 2013
ON YOUR KNEES wrote:
THIS IS SATAN GET ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY TO ME.
I LOVE YOU ALL
Come on Lord Obama, this is only a community thread.

“Ok, maybe I know a little bit.”

Since: Sep 12

But I don't know that.

#33 Jan 13, 2013
Defiant1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Come on Lord Obama, this is only a community thread.
Seeing how as I got about 4 hours of sleep last night and 16 hours to work today, its not easy to make me laugh right now, but that's the closest I've been so far today. I dont think anything would make blobrama happier than to have his minions actually bow and worship him!

Since: Dec 12

Deer Park, TX

#34 Jan 14, 2013
DPTX wrote:
Hmmmm... so Jesus died for our sins, therefore one may sin all they want as long as they proclaim their belief in Jesus? Interesting concept.
I'm also curious how one that supposedly studies theology can still put their undeniable faith into a belief that was created approximately 2000 years ago, when man sought to find reasoning for the unexplained by proclaiming it a miracle, an act of God or the devil, etc. Yet, they also believed in magic, witches, sorcerers, etc. Although through the years, many of those superstitions are proclaimed as mythology, while they still hold on to other primitive beliefs.
Now, for one that studies history and the various forms of religion that was developed, one can surely see that such things were also a matter of acquiring and maintaining control over the masses, i.e. for power and political purposes.
Such studies would certainly point out how kings would surround themselves and use such religious leader's "blessings" (lest they be disposed of, for one that would) to gain allegiance from the people.
This often leads me to wonder why those that proclaim such theological degrees use their knowledge to "teach" a particular faith. Is it because they aren't actually taught real history, but only the theology? Or could it be they wish to fulfill some sort of desire in a leadership role?
One must keep in mind that there were many books written, based on "Christianity" that were not included in today's bible, as Constantine and other leaders attempted develop a particular course of teachings to fit their needs and control over their subjects. Of course, many of those books were written by the same individuals that may have had one of their books included, but rejected their other writings, as they thought they would contradict other works.
Of course, we also see how that worked out, considering the Roman Catholic church was the original. Yet, others were not happy with the interpretations of the writings of those books chosen to comprise "the Bible." So, they formed their own beliefs, as they broke up into more and more denominations that use the same book, while proclaiming "theirs" is the right interpretation.
In the end, it all comes down to blind faith and which doctrines of religion you were raised under. After all, even Buddhism still has a strong following and most are not likely to change because that is what they were raised to believe. Yet, Christians proclaim that they will be saved and all others will perish and think they are right, because that's what they've been taught.
If one does not study and learn from history, they may only be doomed to repeat it.
History courses taken toward degrees. U.S. History from 1400's to 1850's and 1850's to the present. Christain American history, Bible Atlas a study of events from the bible times. Church history I and II. So I took history courses toward the degree. Now faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Lead by the Holy Spirit.

Since: Dec 12

Deer Park, TX

#35 Jan 14, 2013
Scooby wrote:
I want to be a preacher, start a church, work full time on Sundays and maybe some parts of other days, have all kinds of tax breaks, be "looked up to", and pretend I know more than anyone else....
Scooby Do!
By The Way: Missed you DPTX
What Tax Breaks, a pastor must pay Self Employment taxes for his income according to the IRS, Social Security as self employeed, can't count suuits purchased for pastoring, can count milage for hospital visits and visiting the flock as a part of his business. Church hires and fires pastors but they are not considerd an employee of thechurch by the IRS.

Since: Dec 12

Houston, TX

#36 Jan 15, 2013
Scooby wrote:
I want to be a preacher, start a church, work full time on Sundays and maybe some parts of other days, have all kinds of tax breaks, be "looked up to", and pretend I know more than anyone else....
Scooby Do!
By The Way: Missed you DPTX
most pastors have only Monday's off. Even if Monday is their day off and someone has a crisis they call, a pastor is on call 24-7, many are bi-vocational, they work a secualr job and pastor a church, that is what I have done ion the past. Currently working at my secular job right now. So your perception of what a pastor does is way off. I have spent nights at the hospital with families who have a loved one dying, and in fact that man died while I was there, so there at all hours to comfort the family. At the hospital whne a young man was shot and not expected to live, he pulled through. Being a pastor is a 24-7 responsibility, not a one day a week job like many perceive.

“Candor for the few”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

#37 Jan 16, 2013
sjbible wrote:
History courses taken toward degrees. U.S. History from 1400's to 1850's and 1850's to the present. Christain American history, Bible Atlas a study of events from the bible times. Church history I and II. So I took history courses toward the degree. Now faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Lead by the Holy Spirit.
I think you may have missed the point.
US history from 1400's - 1850's?
So, what is the relevance to the origin of theological history? Actually, there is none. Christian American history falls under that, as well.

Now, Bible Atlas (study of event from biblical times) and Church History might be what we're talking about.

Of course, I might question the perspective that these course were attempting to influence. In other words, I suspect that it basically covered the general subject of Christian theology and had little to do with the context of political power over the people or the reason why/how other religions existed and the evolution of such doctrines.

After all, do you think the Greeks thought their gods were based in mythology?

As I mentioned Constantine, the Roman emperor that converted to Christianity in the 4th century, credited with starting the Holy Roman empire (i.e. becoming the Roman Catholic Church), he was instrumental in the doctrines adopted and those ultimately rejected by the Bishops.

Of course, throughout the ages, Kings & Emperors surrounded themselves with the clergy in an effort to proclaim their power as the will of god. If you rule with the "power of god" and the soul proclaimed to be under such power, you will have control over the people and they will follow. That has not changed regardless of the particular religious beliefs.

Now, one must look at the evolution of Christianity (as well as any other religion) and realize that it has nothing to actually support such belief, except that it is what one has been taught. And the dogma has changed over the years, as many have adapted and interpreted the books and writings in many different ways to suit their own manner and develop their own following.

I sort of find it amusing that children are first raised believing in Santa Claus... and BELIEVE, they do! They are often reminded to be good or Santa will find out. Why do they believe? Because one they trust told them it's true and someone dresses up in a red suit and beard to make it appear real. Yet, children are also raised with particular religious beliefs for the same reason. However, they grow into adults and no one ever tells them there is no such thing as God. They are shown images of an artist's imagination, they wear crosses or other symbols to identify with their beliefs, they are told the Bible was written by God (transcriptions supposedly taken by men with a certain divinity bestowed by God), and they go on believing in something they were told was "the truth."

[At this point, I won't go into the many "pagan" customs that have been adopted into the Christian doctrines.]

Long before Christianity, there were many other Gods and beliefs which were portrayed as "the truth" and people BELIEVED in those also without question. Yet, many look back on those ancient beliefs as myths, only to be replaced by the current "truth." A truth that has no proof of existence... just blind faith (and perhaps a bit of hope).

So, a belief developed by a man over 4000 years ago, was morphed into another belief around 2000 years ago. Yes, man will always attempt to find the answer "where did I come from" and try to explain things they do no understand. As sorcerers and witches also fell by the wayside, one might only wonder what other beliefs will eventually be seen as mythology.

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

De Leon, TX

#38 Jan 16, 2013
DPTX wrote:
<quoted text>
[At this point, I won't go into the many "pagan" customs that have been adopted into the Christian doctrines.]
Thanks.

“Candor for the few”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

#39 Jan 16, 2013
Hezekiah wrote:
Thanks.
I see that you were afraid that I'd identify you. Too late. Everyone already knows about you. Now run along and get back to your cesspool.
Defiant1

Deer Park, TX

#40 Jan 16, 2013
DPTX wrote:
<quoted text>I see that you were afraid that I'd identify you. Too late. Everyone already knows about you. Now run along and get back to your cesspool.
LOL! Welcome back.

Since: Dec 12

Deer Park, TX

#41 Jan 16, 2013
DPTX wrote:
<quoted text>As I mentioned Constantine, the Roman emperor that converted to Christianity in the 4th century, credited with starting the Holy Roman empire (i.e. becoming the Roman Catholic Church), he was instrumental in the doctrines adopted and those ultimately rejected by the Bishops.
Of course, throughout the ages, Kings & Emperors surrounded themselves with the clergy in an effort to proclaim their power as the will of god. If you rule with the "power of god" and the soul proclaimed to be under such power, you will have control over the people and they will follow. That has not changed regardless of the particular religious beliefs.
Now, one must look at the evolution of Christianity (as well as any other religion) and realize that it has nothing to actually support such belief, except that it is what one has been taught. And the dogma has changed over the years, as many have adapted and interpreted the books and writings in many different ways to suit their own manner and develop their own following.
I sort of find it amusing that children are first raised believing in Santa Claus... and BELIEVE, they do! They are often reminded to be good or Santa will find out. Why do they believe? Because one they trust told them it's true and someone dresses up in a red suit and beard to make it appear real. Yet, children are also raised with particular religious beliefs for the same reason. However, they grow into adults and no one ever tells them there is no such thing as God. They are shown images of an artist's imagination, they wear crosses or other symbols to identify with their beliefs, they are told the Bible was written by God (transcriptions supposedly taken by men with a certain divinity bestowed by God), and they go on believing in something they were told was "the truth."
[At this point, I won't go into the many "pagan" customs that have been adopted into the Christian doctrines.]
Long before Christianity, there were many other Gods and beliefs which were portrayed as "the truth" and people BELIEVED in those also without question. Yet, many look back on those ancient beliefs as myths, only to be replaced by the current "truth." A truth that has no proof of existence... just blind faith (and perhaps a bit of hope).
So, a belief developed by a man over 4000 years ago, was morphed into another belief around 2000 years ago. Yes, man will always attempt to find the answer "where did I come from" and try to explain things they do no understand. As sorcerers and witches also fell by the wayside, one might only wonder what other beliefs will eventually be seen as mythology.
Man has in him the desire to worship or bel;ieve in something. The religion of Atheism chooses to believe their is no God. The religion of Darwinism or Evolutionism believes that mankind evolved all without any proof that their theory is right, that's why it is called the theory of evolution.
With Christianity we believe Christ came to die on the cross to pay for our sins and to rdeem mankind. That all who truly believe He is God, that His death paid the penalty for our sins and that His payment satisfied God the Father and we admit to being a sinner in need of Salvatio and someone who we belive is Jesus needed to pay the price for our sins. Requires faith. The same type of faith it takes to believe in evolution, or atheism or to be an agnostic, it all is that inate since of beliving that I believe God placed in mankind at creation and that we all have built in us that we use to believe in something. Our God given volition to believe He exist or to reject Him for a worldly belief. It is all a tpe of faith, not made by man but a part of each of us.

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