Possible Bible Church in Deer Park

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Dec 28, 2012
 
We would love to have your input for this Church Plant in the Birthplace of Texas. We will be an independent Bible Church. I am currently a member of a Baptist Church and have received my degrees from Baptist Schools. I currently do not feel that the church should affiliate with any Baptist organization. We want to serve you in our community, as your Church. So please take some time from your busy schedule to answer the questions we have for you. We would love your input on whether you would consider attending this new church plant.

1. Do you want to learn more of God’s word with less emphasis on denominational literature?

2. Do you want to be taught verse by verse book by book or biblical doctrines in series?

3. Do you agree that a New Independent non-charismatic, Bible church in your locale is needed?

4. Would you attend a New Independent non-charismatic, Bible church in your area?

5. How soon would you like to see the work begin?

6. We are seeking committed Christians who would like to help start a new Bible Church in the LaPorte, Deer Park and Pasadena area?

7. I am an ordained independent Baptist minister non-KJV only, who believes the bible as it is currently separated is the infallible, inerrant word of God as inspired by the Holy Spirit.

8. I have over 25 years of ministerial experience in various position of ministry?

9. I have earned the following degrees, Associate of Theology, Bachelor of Arts in Biblical Studies, Master of Theology and Doctor of Theology from various Christian Colleges, Universities and Seminaries.

10. What we need is a place to meet and a group committed to getting this church started and growing.
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Why dont you get a real job instead?

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Dec 28, 2012
 
DP in your eye wrote:
Why dont you get a real job instead?
I have a real job and am paid well. Don't need money from this church to supply for my family. The whole thing is to establish a place of learning for believers and reaching the non-believers.

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Dec 28, 2012
 
Why do you hate Baptists?

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Dec 28, 2012
 
Hezekiah wrote:
Why do you hate Baptists?
I don't hate Baptist, I could call it an independent Baptist church if the folks like. Now where did I say I hated Baptist. But I don't want to miss lead people into thinking it is a Baptist church.
Some of the practice I don't like but you find that everywhere.
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Dec 28, 2012
 
Move to LaPorte.
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Dec 28, 2012
 
Hezekiah wrote:
Why do you hate Baptists?
Why are you such a troll?.
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Good Luck on here. Job would have lost his patience with this group.

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Dec 28, 2012
 
LaPorte wrote:
Move to LaPorte.
If Ican find a group I will. I thought about the Shore Acres area.

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Dec 29, 2012
 
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I don't hate Baptist, I could call it an independent Baptist church if the folks like. Now where did I say I hated Baptist. But I don't want to miss lead people into thinking it is a Baptist church.
Some of the practice I don't like but you find that everywhere.
1. When you say Baptist do you mean Southern Baptist?

2. What specific practices do you take issue with in the Baptist denomination?

Here is where I stand.
I was raised Southern Baptist. I believe they are the denomination most correct in their doctrine with the exception of a few things, and for that reason I stopped attending. I still hold the denomination near and dear.
My exceptions are as follows:
1. I do not have a problem with dancing and don't care if people dance all day and all night. I cannot for the life of me understand why you would specifically preclude dancing in your doctrine when there are bigger sharks swimming around the boat.

2. Alcohol. No one serves grape juice at a wedding and expects anyone to have a good time or give them a good review in the society papers.

3. Paul. I am still struggling with the Bible as totally inspired and inerrant. I believe Paul contradicts himself, and his conversion story too closely resembles that of Joseph Smith and his new testament special glasses.

4. Baptists base their treatment of women on Paul's writings. If God allowed a woman to be a judge over Israel and lead the army even one time when it was necessary then how can you say God never changes and later completely preclude women from teaching or pastoring? Also, Paul writes in one place that before God we are neither male nor female. If where two or three are gathered in His name He is there, then I certainly hope He is at church. How can we be male or female at church if He is there? Also, Old Testament prophesy teaches that God will pour out His Spirit on all flesh. So if He pours out His Spirit on a woman how can you forbid her to teach what He poured out on her? Baptists will tell you we are not under the Law of Moses, but they traded it for the Law of Paul.

5. Their rabid stance on homosexuality. The Bible is very clear that homosexuality is a sin. We should not waiver or shy away from that belief. However, God did not specifically list it with the 7 others that He hates, and He listed a whole lot of others right along side it when the New Testament lists those that won't go to Heaven. Try kicking all the alcoholics, gossips, and gluttons out of church. I do not believe a practicing homosexual should pastor a church, and I do not support gay marriage, but I also do not believe a glutton should pastor a church according to the Bible. I do not know where the line is in deciding who meets the criteria to serve, but I do not believe we are justified in rabidly approaching one sin and not others.

There are other things, but they are not as important to me as these. I apologize if my numbering is wrong. I am using my phone to post today, and I can only see two lines at a time.

I am just curious about your beliefs on the Baptist practices in general and your beliefs about the things I just and wrote about above.

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1. I believe that the Bible is the inspired and preserved Word of God, without error in the original writing, and is the only infallible rule of faith and practice.
2. I believe in one God eternally existing in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
3. I believe that Jesus Christ was begotten by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, and is true God and true Man.
4. I believe in the deity and personality of the Holy Spirit.
5. I believe that man was created in the image of God, that he sinned and thereby incurred not only physical death, but also spiritual death which is separation from God, and that all human beings are born with a sinful nature.
6. I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, in voluntary substitution of Himself in the sinner’s place, and that all that believe in and receive Him are justified on the grounds of His shed blood, and kept by Him unto eternal life, and can never be lost.
7. I believe in the resurrection of the crucified body of our Lord Jesus Christ, in His ascension into Heaven, and in His present position there for us as High Priest and Advocate.
8. I believe in the personal, visible, pre-tribulational, pre-millennial return of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
9. I believe that the Holy Spirit convicts and regenerates the sinner, at the time of regeneration, baptizing (Baptism of the Holy Spirit) the believer into the one Body of which Christ is the head, and that He indwells, guides, instructs, fills and empowers the believer.
10. I believe that the Holy Spirit gives gifts to each man according to God’s will, and that no one should seek or expect any particular sign of the filling of the Holy Spirit. All gifts are given to the believer at the point of salvation.
11. I believe that every Born Again Believer has two natures, the new nature wars with the old nature and through the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit we can live by the New Nature. I believe that the Old Sin Nature brings temptation to the believer and only by the Power of the Holy Spirit and our New Nature are we able to resist the temptation.
12. I believe when we succumb to temptation and sin we must practice 1 John 1:9, confess our sin and fellowship is restored.
13. I believe that the church consists of all those who have believed in the Lord Jesus Christ and are regenerated by the Holy Spirit.
14. I believe that the local church is a group of baptized (immersed) believers who meet together regularly for fellowship, prayer, and edification, and that water baptism and the Lord’s Supper are ordinances to be observed by the church during this present age, these are not to be regarded as means of salvation.
15. I believe the mission of the Church is to go into the entire world, to make disciples of all nations, and to teach them to do those things, which He has commanded in His Word. The church accomplishes reaching the world through Missionary support and outreach at home.
16. I believe in the reality and personalities of Satan and his demons.
17. I believe in the bodily resurrection of the dead, the eternal life of the saved, and the eternal separation from God and conscious punishment of the lost.
18. I believe that “whosoever will” may be saved. That mankind will go to Heaven or Hell as a matter of his or her own free will. Mankind is not saved by the irresistible grace of a sovereign God, but is saved by the sovereignty of Gods Grace through faith.
19. I believe that God created all things on earth in six 24-hour days approximately six thousand years ago.
20. I believe in Noah’s worldwide flood, not a local flood.

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Me I Know Notheeng wrote:
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1. When you say Baptist do you mean Southern Baptist?
2. What specific practices do you take issue with in the Baptist denomination?
Here is where I stand.
I was raised Southern Baptist. I believe they are the denomination most correct in their doctrine with the exception of a few things, and for that reason I stopped attending. I still hold the denomination near and dear.
My exceptions are as follows:
1. I do not have a problem with dancing and don't care if people dance all day and all night. I cannot for the life of me understand why you would specifically preclude dancing in your doctrine when there are bigger sharks swimming around the boat.
2. Alcohol. No one serves grape juice at a wedding and expects anyone to have a good time or give them a good review in the society papers.
3. Paul. I am still struggling with the Bible as totally inspired and inerrant. I believe Paul contradicts himself, and his conversion story too closely resembles that of Joseph Smith and his new testament special glasses.
4. Baptists base their treatment of women on Paul's writings. If God allowed a woman to be a judge over Israel and lead the army even one time when it was necessary then how can you say God never changes and later completely preclude women from teaching or pastoring? Also, Paul writes in one place that before God we are neither male nor female. If where two or three are gathered in His name He is there, then I certainly hope He is at church. How can we be male or female at church if He is there? Also, Old Testament prophesy teaches that God will pour out His Spirit on all flesh. So if He pours out His Spirit on a woman how can you forbid her to teach what He poured out on her? Baptists will tell you we are not under the Law of Moses, but they traded it for the Law of Paul.
5. Their rabid stance on homosexuality. The Bible is very clear that homosexuality is a sin. We should not waiver or shy away from that belief. However, God did not specifically list it with the 7 others that He hates, and He listed a whole lot of others right along side it when the New Testament lists those that won't go to Heaven. Try kicking all the alcoholics, gossips, and gluttons out of church. I do not believe a practicing homosexual should pastor a church, and I do not support gay marriage, but I also do not believe a glutton should pastor a church according to the Bible. I do not know where the line is in deciding who meets the criteria to serve, but I do not believe we are justified in rabidly approaching one sin and not others.
There are other things, but they are not as important to me as these. I apologize if my numbering is wrong. I am using my phone to post today, and I can only see two lines at a time.
I am just curious about your beliefs on the Baptist practices in general and your beliefs about the things I just and wrote about above.
1. Many of the Bible Baptist are KJV only I am not

2. The SBC has the cooperative program I prefer missionaries to be supported independently by the local church and choose based on doctirnal alliance who we support.

3. I prefer Sunday School teachers to teach from the bible and not to have literature assigend to classes. One who teaches should teach based on teir knowledge of God's word and get help from commentaries and books to teach.

4. Many are into the numbers racket, SBC churches keep records of baptism by each church in the Association. I believe we shouldn't worry about nuumbers but place a greater emphasis on spiritual growthh.

just a few things

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1. Many of the Bible Baptist are KJV only I am not
2. The SBC has the cooperative program I prefer missionaries to be supported independently by the local church and choose based on doctirnal alliance who we support.
3. I prefer Sunday School teachers to teach from the bible and not to have literature assigend to classes. One who teaches should teach based on teir knowledge of God's word and get help from commentaries and books to teach.
4. Many are into the numbers racket, SBC churches keep records of baptism by each church in the Association. I believe we shouldn't worry about nuumbers but place a greater emphasis on spiritual growthh.
just a few things
Thanks for responding, and I hope it goes well.

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Dec 29, 2012
 
Good luck.

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Me I Know Notheeng wrote:
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Pastoring is a real job. It is a 24/7/365 real job. I have more than one in my family, and it is more than a full-time job. Besides preparation for each service of the week most pastors are available at all times to help members and no -members of their churches with crisis situations: Hospital emergency visits for sudden illness or injuries, deaths, marriage problems, kid problems, faith problems. Weddings, funerals. You name it, and you can bet they get called for it with no overtime pay, and there is never a time where everyone is happy. The pastor may not have even been informed that great aunt Bessie twice removed three times from your step-father's side of the family was in the hospital, but if the pastor didn't skip the graduation of his first born to see her in the hospital...someone is gonna hold a grudge for 30 years. God forbid the church should need new carpet because a church split is coming. You could pick a carpet with every color of the rainbow in it, and someone would be mad because the rainbow represents gay people. The sweetest old lady you could ever imagine will stay mad for years because the mean pastor won't let her drug addicted adulterous son teach Sunday school or lead the music. The next to sweetest old lady doesn't like black people and saw the preacher talking to a black person and is mad because now black people are going to start coming to the church. Fifteen people hated the church bulletin last week. Eight people are mad about something another church across town did. Twelve people were mad because there were not enough donuts and coffee. Four people were mad because there were no flowers on the altar. And they will all call Monday before lunch and MUST speak directly to the pastor, or he doesn't care about them, and they might just as well stop coming if he doesn't care enough to talk to them. Anyway, there are surely people who go into pastoring for the wrong reasons, but those people need psychiatric evaluation!
Well, what do you expect? It's a church.

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Well, what do you expect? It's a church.
Un fortunately church people give the church a bad name

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Me I Know Notheeng wrote:
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Un fortunately church people give the church a bad name
How so?

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Dec 29, 2012
 
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<quoted text> How so?
Well, for one thing go visit the threads about Rick Perry winning in 2010 and Who do you support for governor. Go to the very last several pages and read what the Christians have to say to those who either don't believe or who they decide doesn't believe or anyone who disagrees with them.
Christians sometimes have no idea why they believe what they believe, can't defend it with their own SOP manual, and are defensive against anyone who questions how or why they believe. It boils down to because God said so. That may work for when you are telling stories about your mama, but in the world out there people have no reason to accept that from a God they don't know, don't know if they believe in, and couldn't get to know Him from the people they have encountered.
Many Christians have made themselves so holy that they are useless to the world around them. Religious segregation. Jesus ate with the worst people, those cursed tax collectors :) I don't know too many people that would stop and have a sandwich with the homeless guy on the corner.
Christians eat each other for breakfast and spit each other out at lunch. There is very little room for people to ask the hard questions about faith or lack of it, doubt, unbelief, etc. There comes a time for some when all the verses in the Bible aren't enough anymore for whatever they are facing, and people smile and quote more verses.
This isn't everything, everyone, or every church, and, regardless of how church people act or appear, if someone is truly searching they will find. Many use these things as excuses for not doing what they don't want to do anyway, so I don't mean those people.
All that said, this thread is probably the first thread where I have seriously addressed where I stand as far as religion goes, and if you read alot of the la porte threads you will see just what a horrid individual I can be. Not trying to hide that.
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I have a question that I have struggled with for a few years and I hope you can answer it for me. I understand the whole 1 Jn.1:9 concept of confessing your sins for fellowship to be restored. However, as you stated in point # 6 above, Jesus Christ died for the "sins" of all mankind, which in my opinion makes sin unimportant. So, if Christ died for our sins, why 1 Jn. 1:9?

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Seriously wrote:
I have a question that I have struggled with for a few years and I hope you can answer it for me. I understand the whole 1 Jn.1:9 concept of confessing your sins for fellowship to be restored. However, as you stated in point # 6 above, Jesus Christ died for the "sins" of all mankind, which in my opinion makes sin unimportant. So, if Christ died for our sins, why 1 Jn. 1:9?
I don't know if you were talking to me, and all I have is a theory, but I will share it and see if it helps. I think of being a Christian as kind of like being married. If you aren't married this may not make sense. Sometimes, if I have done something wrong it can put a wall between me and my spouse. We are still married. It didn't dissolve our marriage, but, nothing will be right until I actually say out loud what I did, accept responsibility for it, make amends if I can, and ask for forgiveness.

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