Andrea

Pearland, TX

#22 Sep 28, 2011
Struggling Mom wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi, My son just made a deal with the judge to attend Cenikor and complete the program or he would serve 12 years in prison. I'm really concerned that my son will not have the strength to finish this program and be sent to prison. He has not been excepted yet by Cenikor since this all happened on Monday and is waiting to be evaluated. I'm so afraid of my 19 year old son being in prison - he is not a criminal - he is a drug addict. Is this place that hard that my son will not stand a chance if he attends??? Please help anyone
Your son has been given a second chance. Pray for him daily and have faith that God will clear his path for success. I'm sure there is a website you can go to for clear information or perhaps a visit to the facility or a phone call will put your mind at ease. I hope and pray the addiction that binds him will no longer hold him captive and that God is in the very midst of his issues, loving him and helping him.
CenCen

Manvel, TX

#23 Sep 28, 2011
Struggling Mom wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi, My son just made a deal with the judge to attend Cenikor and complete the program or he would serve 12 years in prison. I'm really concerned that my son will not have the strength to finish this program and be sent to prison. He has not been excepted yet by Cenikor since this all happened on Monday and is waiting to be evaluated. I'm so afraid of my 19 year old son being in prison - he is not a criminal - he is a drug addict. Is this place that hard that my son will not stand a chance if he attends??? Please help anyone
The principals of the Cenikor program are basically good, however they have an extremely high failure rate. Over 80%
Please contact John at [email protected] with a number where you can be contacted.
Your son will need to be prepared for what will be a very hard program. If he succeeds, he will be one of the few. Of course, some that actually do graduate do relapse.
What started as a good idea has become a money machine. The residents are supervised by other residents. If they see a violation (ie: drugs) they are required to report it.... often to the same people who are using.
They are placed on jobs where they earn money for Cenikor. They get nothing. Cenikor provides them clothes (donated) and food (donated). Medical care is minimal.
If they get hurt on one of the jobs they are no longer making money for Cenikor..... This often means that they will find ways to dicipline them more and more until they leave or fail.
No. I heve not been a resident. But I have contact with some current and some former staff.
drugfree101

Clinton, MO

#24 Dec 10, 2011
What about the rehab program? Does that help anyone regardless of the business operations that might be questionable? Primary concern is making sure rehab happens. Any info on the counseling and/or detox methods? Thanks.
CenikorRobert

Manvel, TX

#25 Dec 10, 2011
drugfree101 wrote:
What about the rehab program? Does that help anyone regardless of the business operations that might be questionable? Primary concern is making sure rehab happens. Any info on the counseling and/or detox methods? Thanks.
First of all, the only counceling that is done at Cenikor is peer-driven. There are no AA meetings or any kind of “real” 12-steps.
There are many rehab programs out there; one of the big differences is that this program does not charge up-front.
My son spent time at Cenikor Deer Park. He was looking at jail due to his drug use and the judge was willing to send him to a state run facility for 6 months, we had heard of Cenikor as a "high success facility" and we suggested it as an alternative (even though it was an 18 month program). The judge told us from the bench that she felt this was a mistake, but gave my son the opportunity to choose and he chose Cenikor.
Cenikor took him in. 10 pairs of pants & shorts, 10 shirts, underwear, 2 pairs of shoes, and that was that. We were not allowed any contact for 60 days, then we could only write... He was in for 8 months.
During the eight months he had many jobs, working 10 to 12 hours per day for firms cleaning oil tanks, etc. Jobs he was not qualified to do. No insurance (except the gold-card). He was injured twice, the second time he couldn’t work so they kicked him out. Its all about making money at Cenikor.
Since then I have talked to several former Cenikor residents, they all tell the same story. They also say drug use in the facility is not uncommon and that some of the staff are a big part of the problem.
I wish I had listened to the judge and encouraged my son to go into the state run facility.
Their brochures don’t describe the many problems or the extremely poor success rate. They wont get investigated because (Constable) Bill Bailey is the chairman and many of other local politicians and law enforcement people are also involved. In my opinion it is a money machine with a desperate clientele.
JWfromSA

Manvel, TX

#26 Dec 10, 2011
drugfree101 wrote:
What about the rehab program? Does that help anyone regardless of the business operations that might be questionable? Primary concern is making sure rehab happens. Any info on the counseling and/or detox methods? Thanks.
Detox is simple. You stay away from drugs and alcohol... They dont have a defined program, its all inmate, I mean resident, run.
If you mess up you get to sit in the "hot seat" and wear a green shirt, write long essays, and be "shunned" by everyobe around you for weeks at a time.
You work all day, attend peer counceling and then clean the kitchen at night and start again early in the morning.
You are required to always have a partner when you are outside of your room (even to eat) and you are accountable for his actions as well. If you fail to turn somebody in who has vilated a policy then you are accountable. If you turn them in, they come back at you with all they have.
You cant talk to the females in the program... but the male staff sure do. They have lots of closed door meetings.
Doitorlooseit

Pasadena, TX

#27 Dec 10, 2011
First of all,it is all his choice. You nor anybody else can help him unless he wants the help. You have been babying him his entire life and that's why he is like he is. He can either make his mind up to complete the program or go to prison. He's a big boy and he made his own choices. If Cenikor can't help him, prison might. He knew the drugs were illegal and I'm sure this was not his first time or the 12 years would not be part of the deal. At 19 you can't keep changing his diaper, you are only keeping him from standing on his own 2 feet and accepting the responsibility for his actions. The best thing you can do is to tell him either do it or go to prison. He made the deal.
Struggling Mom wrote:
<quoted text> Hi, My son just made a deal with the judge to attend Cenikor and complete the program or he would serve 12 years in prison. I'm really concerned that my son will not have the strength to finish this program and be sent to prison. He has not been excepted yet by Cenikor since this all happened on Monday and is waiting to be evaluated. I'm so afraid of my 19 year old son being in prison - he is not a criminal - he is a drug addict. Is this place that hard that my son will not stand a chance if he attends??? Please help anyone
Doitorlooseit

Pasadena, TX

#28 Dec 10, 2011
Well you must of failed in the raising of your child and you think others can really turn him around after you caused his rebellion against everything because you did not disipline him for anything! I am very familiar with Bill Baily and others that have input on that program and all of them have the best intentions of helping the residents there. You are an enabler by continuing to sympathize with your drug addicted child that's no longer a child. 10 or 12 hour workdays keep them so tired they don't want to do anything but sleep. Quit being their crutch and feeling sorry for them or they will end up in prison where they really belong anyway!
CenikorRobert wrote:
<quoted text>
First of all, the only counceling that is done at Cenikor is peer-driven. There are no AA meetings or any kind of “real” 12-steps.
There are many rehab programs out there; one of the big differences is that this program does not charge up-front.
My son spent time at Cenikor Deer Park. He was looking at jail due to his drug use and the judge was willing to send him to a state run facility for 6 months, we had heard of Cenikor as a "high success facility" and we suggested it as an alternative (even though it was an 18 month program). The judge told us from the bench that she felt this was a mistake, but gave my son the opportunity to choose and he chose Cenikor.
Cenikor took him in. 10 pairs of pants & shorts, 10 shirts, underwear, 2 pairs of shoes, and that was that. We were not allowed any contact for 60 days, then we could only write... He was in for 8 months.
During the eight months he had many jobs, working 10 to 12 hours per day for firms cleaning oil tanks, etc. Jobs he was not qualified to do. No insurance (except the gold-card). He was injured twice, the second time he couldn’t work so they kicked him out. Its all about making money at Cenikor.
Since then I have talked to several former Cenikor residents, they all tell the same story. They also say drug use in the facility is not uncommon and that some of the staff are a big part of the problem.
I wish I had listened to the judge and encouraged my son to go into the state run facility.
Their brochures don’t describe the many problems or the extremely poor success rate. They wont get investigated because (Constable) Bill Bailey is the chairman and many of other local politicians and law enforcement people are also involved. In my opinion it is a money machine with a desperate clientele.
CenikorRobert

Manvel, TX

#29 Dec 12, 2011
Doitorlooseit wrote:
Well you must of failed in the raising of your child and you think others can really turn him around after you caused his rebellion against everything because you did not disipline him for anything! I am very familiar with Bill Baily and others that have input on that program and all of them have the best intentions of helping the residents there. You are an enabler by continuing to sympathize with your drug addicted child that's no longer a child. 10 or 12 hour workdays keep them so tired they don't want to do anything but sleep. Quit being their crutch and feeling sorry for them or they will end up in prison where they really belong anyway!<quoted text>
I have four kids. The other 3 didnt get into drugs, only this one and only after being park of the DPHS football program....
My kid is clean now. Not my doing - he turned his life around no thanks to Cenikor.
Im not gonna bother discussing it further with idiots like you 'cause clearly you're an a$$.
Are you saying

Pasadena, TX

#30 Dec 12, 2011
So did Deer Park Football cause them to be drug addicts?
CenikorRobert wrote:
<quoted text>
I have four kids. The other 3 didnt get into drugs, only this one and only after being park of the DPHS football program....
My kid is clean now. Not my doing - he turned his life around no thanks to Cenikor.
Im not gonna bother discussing it further with idiots like you 'cause clearly you're an a$$.
CenikorRobert

Manvel, TX

#31 Dec 13, 2011
not DP football itself, but the pushing to succeed at all cost, no matter what, playing injured, and wide availability of performance enhansers all had part in it.
This does not excuse him for placing himself in the middle of it or for using, but it did help him become more familiar with the high availability and the poor school control of what happens on the campus
Are you saying

Pasadena, TX

#32 Dec 13, 2011
So are you saying it is because of the high availability and poor school control? I call BS! Blame it on what is. It was his and only his decision to use drugs. Not the school's fault, not other students, not the availability, not the pushing to succeed, only his poor decisions. I have seen alot of football games and have never seen someone forcing drugs down the throat of a student. Surely you can find someone else to blame it on other than them. Most children know the difference between right and wrong by 10 years of age. He knew it was wrong and used the drugs. Blame it on the right person; your kid. I can say I'm glad he turned it all around. That was his decision too! Good luck and I hope he stays clean.
BRi

Kaplan, LA

#33 Dec 19, 2011
Concerned wrote:
Maybe ya'll need to do a little more investigating before making all these incorrect comments until you walk a mile in someone else's shoes don't talk about it. These residents work for there expense and the money doesn't go directly to them it goes throught the company. And whoever said the turnover rate is high well of course you idiot that is at any rehabilitation center. Not everyone wants to stop the addiction so they leave. Some of your comments are absolutely stupid! Get a life!
you dont know what your saying i was a resident there in baton rouge and they are right its a scam they are in bed with baton rouge judges and the carwashes are unsupervised and i dont know if you heard about the colorado facility being shut down for trafficing meth and immoral business practices....the staff was sleeping with the residents it was a big mess
BRi

Kaplan, LA

#34 Dec 19, 2011
for anyone who wants to go to cenikor or is in the legal system and has the choice of another program please i beg you with all my heart to not waste your time i spent six months there and was treated like a third rate citizen...less than a person i worked many jobs including construction scaffold building and hydro blasting in multiple plants in the baton rouge area i can tell you the one thing i did get from cenikor is the fact that i never want to be subjected to that kind of pain again added to 6 years or serious oxycottin and heroin abuse has kept me sober for the past 9 months since i left. not only do i not suggest going there but i will tell you of one of my experiences there. i might be on a bad path right now if it werent for me and only me if i didnt want to stay sober so badly i might be dead now it just so happens that while i was there there was a guy there faceing 15 years in orleans parsh prison for trafficing heroin. the staff at cenikor was retarded enough to send him to the port of new orleans to work and send him to his JP and OP court dates unsupervised and what happened???? you guesed it he brought back a substantial quantity of heroin and caused many to relapse a girl even traded her body to him for dope (this girl had children and now there lives are surely worse than before) if not for me (only a 4 month member at the time) and the efforts of an older member "ratting" on the guy he would still be at large and cenikor might be a heroin den now. i have talked to a resident when i went for my court in Baton rouge recently and the program is collapseing. the only thing thats keeping it afloat is the judges still stipulating addicts to the program. it only helps a small...very small number of clients. most residents that are stipulated just skate by knowing that it is better than being incarcerated. but most realize later that laying down in prison is better that writing a 1500 word essay nearly every night work 12 hours a day cleaning the whole facility every night,(i averaged 3-5 hours of sleep and i was working a dangerous job on top of it and work 7 12's for a period of time while attending cenikor) i hardly ever got time to think i missed multiple counseling sessions due to being out of the facility working to pay their bills while my wife was at home struggling to pay our bills alone.

so all in all a terrible experience lucky for me the judge didnt stipulate me there my family did and once they realized the kind of "treatment" cenikor offered it didnt take much to convince them that it was not for me...

i thank god every day for cenikor though. i learned to appreciate the small things but i still dont reccomend it to anyone. any questions? write me ill be happy to answer any questions or debate any concerns you have
CBF

Waller, TX

#35 Mar 15, 2012
My friend is currently a resident, I think he will be leaving soon. Says that they made him hold up a sign during a carwash saying "Help for a Needy Family" but really the money that they made for the car wash was going straight into the hands of the people who work there. I'm thinking about calling channel 12 news investigates. If someone else can confirm if these alegations are true I appreciate it. Thank you.
help

Houston, TX

#36 Apr 8, 2012
My fiance was just checked in Friday to the deer park location. Ive heard that people come out of this location and the ft worth location "brainwashed". I need some honest input if my fiance is in safe and this is a legitimate.place. Please help.
Cssh

Bedford, TX

#37 Apr 11, 2012
help wrote:
My fiance was just checked in Friday to the deer park location. Ive heard that people come out of this location and the ft worth location "brainwashed". I need some honest input if my fiance is in safe and this is a legitimate.place. Please help.
My son just entered Deer Park this morning, something just told me to check this place out. He's 38 and not a baby but gut feeling made me. Nothing more I want for him is to be clean and have his family back. Now I'm scared he's not gonna be able to handle it coming off the drugs.
big easy

Addison, TX

#38 Apr 26, 2012
It has its problems and bad apples, but you think that it is the only non profit organization skimming money off the top?? I stayed six months and I left because I didn't want to catch a charge for beating up my ass of a counselor, but it is not a drug rehabilitation center its a behavior modification, and I learned a lot in those six months about my own bad behaviors and I have carried some of the things I ve learned with me, I am grateful for the experience, I don't know if I would ever do it again, but I am grateful for the experience
For those who do complete it, they chances of staying sober is like 90%, I met a lot of good people who I still talk to and they are all responsible, productive adults, if you spend any amount of time there, it does have a lasting impression
CenCen

Houston, TX

#39 Apr 30, 2012
The “idea” of Cenikor is a good one. Peer driven recovery sounds good.
The truth is that when you check in to Cenikor you are required to leave everything and everyone behind. 12 changes of clothes. That’s it, you take nothing else in.
Family members are told that there will be contact after a couple of weeks. This is not true. The new residents are placed in an isolation program where they have indoctrination and move up as new people come in. Once they make it all the way around the circle in their orientation group, they are allowed to send and received letters.... but wait..... They have to have each letter read and approved by peer members and staff. They are not allowed to write anything negative about the program or living condition or they loose their letter privilidges…. Phone calls are not allowed. They tell family that the resident will be able to call and make the family give them collect calling cards, but calls are really not allowed.
Residents go through a brain-washing period where they learn the “Cenikor way”. They are not allowed to be alone at any time, not even in the bathroom. They must report anyone violating any rules and, if they fail to do so, can face the same penalties up to expulsion. A common threat is that “if you don’t do as told, you can leave. We’ll call the police and let them know when you’ll be coming out to the parking lot”.
Most of the counselors at Cenikor are “former” addicts. Many have criminal history. One in Deer Park, recently terminated, used to tell the residents to do things his way (not Cenikor’s way) or he “would f**k them up”… He also has been accused of several inappropriate relationships with female residents (who in turn got more freedom to do as they pleased).
Cenikor markets their residents to employers in the area. They get to work sandblasting storage tanks (inside in extreme heat), build pallets, etc. Most is heavy-duty manual (dangerous) work that (in most places) would require safety training and safety supervision, but these residents are tossed into the jobs and, if they get hurt (or report an accident), they are disciplined and often kicked off the program and out of Cenikor.
Cenikor makes lots of money from these jobs, however the residents don’t see 1 cent of it. They wear donated (used) clothes & shoes and the meals are worse than what the county serves at the jails.
Cenikor puts (unsupervised) addicts out collecting money at places like Walgreens, CVS, car-washes, etc. There is no accounting of then money collected and often money is missing when turned in at the end of the day.
I’ve met several judges that are against the Cenikor program because of what they have seen. It has a close to 85% failure rate and the reported abuses are not going unnoticed.
The only people benefiting from Cenikor appear to be the Board of Directors and their staff.
help

Fort Worth, TX

#40 Apr 30, 2012
Awesome. Yea me and his family haven't heard one word from him and im afraid this place ia going to turn him into someone hes not, not in a good way. Its been a month and ive sent 4 letters and haven't received anything. His counselor gave me his card and at the time stated if I needed anything or had any questions call at anytime. I did so, and he first told me my fiance wasn't even there! Then said well haven't you thought hes just trying to think about himself for once and pretty much ended the call. the counselor has told me numerous times that he can send letters now anytime. I think its bull, because I know of he was allowed to I would have gotten SOME kind of word from him. I don't know how to get in contact with him to see if he wants to try a different rehab, I feel like they've roped him in and won't let go. I don't know what to do at this point. Any ideas?
yooflungpoo

Baytown, TX

#41 Apr 30, 2012
get a new boyfriend?

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