Ike Dike vs. Centennial Gate

Ike Dike vs. Centennial Gate

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JenJen

Pasadena, TX

#1 Mar 10, 2014
We better hope and pray that the powers that be decide to construct the Ike Dike rather than Centennial Gate or we can kiss our property values goodbye.
Elaine

Houston, TX

#2 Mar 10, 2014
Which is which?

I doubt either on will affect the property values. Unless they plan on raising taxes on property in the flood zone. Why do you think so?
JenJen

Pasadena, TX

#3 Mar 10, 2014
Ike Dike will protect the entire Galveston Bay system, and would be constructed roughly along the same route that the ferry takes btwn Galveston and Bolivar. It will be very expensive to build and will require a lot of federal $$$'s. This plan was created at Texas A&M, and is favored by the plants along the channel, many at the Port of Houston and most of the small cities along Galveston Bay

Centenial Gate will protect the ship channel up from Fred Hartmann bridge, but leave the entire Galveston Bay very dangerously exposed. It would be constructed basically underneath the Hartmann bridge. It is much cheaper to build, but will sacrifice any and all in front of it. This plan was created by Rice University and is favored by the City of Houston and the environmental groups that protect Galveston Bay.

Imagine a huge tidal surge traveling up the bay and crashing into this gate/wall when it reaches the Hartmann Bridge. All that water will just go around the bridge (on land) and flood areas that would not normally be flooded.

The argument is that it will protect the plants along the ship channel (but oddly leaves Barbours Cut and Bayport container terminals fully exposed), but the water that encroaches around the gate will drain into the channel anyway. Then, because of the gate, when the now polluted and chemically tainted water recedes, it won't flow back into the bay, it will recede via the same way it entered, around the land surrounding the channel. IMO the Centennial Gate is more to protect Galveston Bay from the backwash than it is to protect the plants from the surge. IMO it will also make areas around the bay vulnerable to flooding that might not be vulnerable without the gate. The water has to go somewhere, and if it is stopped from going up the channel, it's going to go somewhere else that would normally not get flooded.
Elaine

Houston, TX

#4 Mar 10, 2014
JenJen wrote:
Imagine a huge tidal surge traveling up the bay and crashing into this gate/wall when it reaches the Hartmann Bridge. All that water will just go around the bridge (on land) and flood areas that would not normally be flooded.
IMO it will also make areas around the bay vulnerable to flooding that might not be vulnerable without the gate. The water has to go somewhere, and if it is stopped from going up the channel, it's going to go somewhere else that would normally not get flooded.
This is what I expect would happen too. We would be spending Billion$ on a risk that may happen once in one hundred years. Even then, it won't protect all low-lying areas
You are also talking about massive flood gates that require massive costs. They might be close once every 20 years for a minor hurricane.
sue

Crosby, TX

#5 Mar 10, 2014
it appears post # 5 disappeared very quickly
guess the powers that be
and the fat -cats that would make billions off of building
this dike did not like post 5
Defiant1

Deer Park, TX

#6 Mar 10, 2014
sue wrote:
it appears post # 5 disappeared very quickly
guess the powers that be
and the fat -cats that would make billions off of building
this dike did not like post 5
That's why I will save posts that I know won't be well liked for several cut and paste sessions if necessary. Ahh, freedom in Amerika.
JenJen

Pasadena, TX

#7 Mar 10, 2014
I didn't see post #5. Please re post.
sue

Crosby, TX

#8 Mar 10, 2014
OF COURSE you do not see post 5 it was removed from the forum.
it explained how a plan to control the gulf of MEXICO
and all the huge bays and mother nature --when the gulf is pushed inland by a violent storm is total nonsense.
fubar

Corona, CA

#9 Mar 11, 2014
The Netherlands has a gate system that works well. The difference is the Netherlands lies at a much lower level and is threatened often. Major hurricanes can happen more often than people think. There were two major storms early in the twentieth century when there were a lot more wetlands and much less development. If the gates worked two or three times they might pay for themselves. If they build the one in Galveston ,and only allowed American companies work on it ,using the preevailing wage system the boost to the local economy would be tremendous. Hundreds if not thousands of well paid workers spending their money locally and paying their taxes would be a good thing. There might even a stemming in the rise of flood insurance rates and billions of dollars saved on disaster relief.

The one by the bridge ,if built should be paid for by the plants it would be designed to safe guard with no public moneys.
sue

Crosby, TX

#10 Mar 11, 2014
NOT going to happen
JenJen

Pasadena, TX

#11 Mar 11, 2014
sue wrote:
NOT going to happen
I hope you are right. But I am not as confident as you. There is a lot of steam gathering in Houston for the Centennial Gate. Mayor Porker and the Chronicle are starting to beat the drums.....

“Trying to be civil with idiots”

Since: Oct 09

Sarajevo, Bosnia

#12 Mar 11, 2014
I thought the Centennial gate was the short term solution and the Ike Dike was the long term...... Hence, they are doing both but have centennial completed by May 2015 and then the dike completed by 2021.

not sure where i ran across this information, but im going totally off of memory.... so i may be way off.
sue

Crosby, TX

#13 Mar 12, 2014
IKE DIKE---this plan was created at A&M--enough said right there.
sue

Crosby, TX

#14 Mar 12, 2014
just read all the pro and con articles about the IKE DIKE
it is not going to happen
there will be no federal funding for a dike in TEXAS
all money for a storm surge preventing dike
will now go to NEW YORK because of the SANDY storm
and NEW YORK being a democrat area.
any other funds will continue to go to the whine and cry KATRINA city.
there will be no funds for the REPUBLICAN state of TEXAS.
Elaine

Tucker, GA

#15 Mar 12, 2014
This is probably the best prediction based on reality. Nothing as big as this project gets built without federal funds.

The democrats have been punishing Texas by witholding project funding since 2007. Its just that simple.

Don't expect a dike to be funded unless we give up a few republican congressional seats in return.
sue wrote:
just read all the pro and con articles about the IKE DIKE
it is not going to happen
there will be no federal funding for a dike in TEXAS
all money for a storm surge preventing dike
will now go to NEW YORK because of the SANDY storm
and NEW YORK being a democrat area.
any other funds will continue to go to the whine and cry KATRINA city.
there will be no funds for the REPUBLICAN state of TEXAS.
fubar

San Jose, CA

#16 Mar 13, 2014
Elaine wrote:
This is probably the best prediction based on reality. Nothing as big as this project gets built without federal funds.
The democrats have been punishing Texas by witholding project funding since 2007. Its just that simple.
Don't expect a dike to be funded unless we give up a few republican congressional seats in return.
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Perry has turned down federal money and doesn't want any federal money. If a dyke is built in New York you can bet the people there will be happy to get it( not everyone of course)and the jobs and federal money that comes with it.
juiced newton

Houston, TX

#17 Mar 13, 2014
JenJen wrote:
<quoted text>I hope you are right. But I am not as confident as you. There is a lot of steam gathering in Houston for the Centennial Gate. Mayor Porker and the Chronicle are starting to beat the drums.....
I'm surprised the mayor does not support the dyke.
Elaine

Tucker, GA

#18 Mar 13, 2014
He turned down fed money to temporarily expand medicaid. That would have forced the texas taxpayers to pay a massive tax increase for the succeeding years.

Shame on you for your exaggeration.
fubar wrote:
<quoted text>Perry has turned down federal money and doesn't want any federal money. If a dyke is built in New York you can bet the people there will be happy to get it( not everyone of course)and the jobs and federal money that comes with it.
sue

Crosby, TX

#19 Mar 13, 2014
FUBAR are they really going to build a (DYKE) in NEW YORK
or perhaps you are a bit confused about the definition of DIKE and DYKE or maybe a spelling problem LOL LOL
Beth

La Porte, TX

#20 Mar 15, 2014
Neither will happen while we have TEA Party nuts as our Federal Reps.

Oh, they will vote $60 billion to build a similar Ike Dike for NYC, but our brain dead reps won't lift a finger to help us.

What will it take? 2000 deaths, 5000 deaths,$100 billion in damage, 200 billion in damage?

At Cat 5 on the right path will produce the worst environmental crisis the world has ever seen as all our petro chemical tanks float and spill their contents.

Yes Republicans, do nothing is your solution.

What our property values to go up and insurance rates go down? Build the Ike dike.

We have a major hurricane every 14 years. We have 6 more until "statistically" we have the next one. About the same time Ted Cruz will be up for election after ruining our economy here.

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